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Question: "What does the Bible mean when it says “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’”?"

Answer: Both Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 read, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” Some take these verses to indicate that atheists are stupid, i.e. lacking intelligence. However, that is not the meaning of the Hebrew word translated “fool.” In this text, the Hebrew word is nabal which refers more to a “moral fool,” e.g., someone without morals. The meaning of the text is not “Unintelligent people do not believe in God.” Rather, the meaning of the text is “Immoral people do not believe in God.”

Many atheists are very intelligent individuals. It is not intelligence, or a lack thereof, that leads a person to reject belief in God. It is a lack of morals that leads a person to reject belief in God. People do not reject the idea of there being a Creator Being. Rather, people reject the idea of there being a Creator Being who demands morality from His creation. In order to clear their consciences and relieve themselves of guilt, people reject the idea of God as the only source of absolute morality. Doing so allows atheists to live however they choose—as morally or immorally as they desire—with no feelings of guilt for their refusal to be accountable to God.

Several prominent atheists have admitted this. One famous atheist, when asked what he hopes to accomplish through atheism, declared that he wants “to drink as much alcohol and have sex with as many women as possible.” Belief in a divine Being is accompanied by a feeling of accountability and responsibility toward that Being. So, to escape from the condemnation of conscience, which itself was created by God, one must deny the existence of God in order to deny the moral pull of the conscience.

This is not to say that all atheists are immoral people. Many atheists live relatively moral lives. The point of “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” is that a lack of evidence of His existence is not the true reason people reject belief in God. People reject belief in God due to a desire to live free of the moral constraints He requires and to escape the guilt that accompanies the violation of those constraints.

“The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them … men are without excuse … their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools … Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie” (Romans 1:18-25).

LINK;

http://www.gotquestions.org/fool-heart-no-God.html


(Used by permission, 'gotquestions.org'.)[/]




so those who believe are thereby morally right?
i guess that explains all those priests that molest children....

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Wed 03/18/09 07:09 PM
im gonna stir the pot here haha.

what if the schizophrenic people that claim to hear voices that tell them to rape, murder etc. were just hearing the voice of god telling them to do evil things????

explain that one.

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Tue 03/17/09 01:40 PM
article of the day:

so the pope goes to africa...

"You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane headed to Yaounde, Cameroon. "On the contrary, it increases the problem."

wow!

In a statement, Lisa Power, corporate head of policy at Terrence Higgins Trust, said: 'We deeply regret the continued misinformation around condoms, which remain the most effective way of preventing the spread of HIV.

'Both abstinence and condoms are valid weapons in the fight against HIV, but unfortunately abstinence has a far higher failure rate.'


...its a good thing this guy is put up on a pedestal and praised for the things he believes in.

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Tue 03/17/09 11:55 AM


I think people need to focus more on living a good life rather than trying to appease God. You do not need Jesus to do that.


bingo!

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Tue 03/17/09 06:56 AM






so you still didnt answer me when i asked it if people buddhist ,hindu, jain, sikh and especially people of jewish faith are wrong for what they believe in. and if they are wrong, what makes you so sure?




Yes they are, if truth by definition is non contradictory, then Jesus made a very fair claim when he said "I am the way, the truth, and the life." He made an exclusive claim about himself, "there is no other name by which men must be saved." Thats a very bold claim, and with authority. He claimed exclusivity.


haha wow, point proven. no room for debate right there. the believers of those religions will say the exact same about your religion.



its almost worth giving up trying to open the clouded mind of a "man of faith". it would be easier to teach a neanderthal how to speak.
oh wait, neanderthals never existed......


All religions do have there point of exclusivity.

I was defending why there is no room for other religions in Christianity. If you want to examine the evidence, I have spent many days now defending the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, it would do you well to read over it.




the evidence you provide to defend your god is just as reliable and credible as the evidence other religions provide to defend theirs.
who are you to say that yours is right? who is the pope to say yours is right when there is just as much if not more evidence to point away from christ if you take into consideration people of other religions and evolution?
christians make up a fraction of people on this planet, that is what you have to realize.

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Mon 03/16/09 06:43 PM
Edited by steady94 on Mon 03/16/09 06:45 PM




so you still didnt answer me when i asked it if people buddhist ,hindu, jain, sikh and especially people of jewish faith are wrong for what they believe in. and if they are wrong, what makes you so sure?




Yes they are, if truth by definition is non contradictory, then Jesus made a very fair claim when he said "I am the way, the truth, and the life." He made an exclusive claim about himself, "there is no other name by which men must be saved." Thats a very bold claim, and with authority. He claimed exclusivity.


haha wow, point proven. no room for debate right there. the believers of those religions will say the exact same about your religion.

its almost worth giving up trying to open the clouded mind of a "man of faith". it would be easier to teach a neanderthal how to speak.
oh wait, neanderthals never existed......

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Mon 03/16/09 02:01 PM




does religion by design demand that there is no room for debate nubby?
you say that i am lost because i dont accept your god? a little condesending isnt it?
i dont know about you but all i understand is that you talk to god, but when does god ever talk back? you say through his actions he speaks...do you have any personal stories that you can actually say god has specifically answered one of your questions? i would really like to know.

another thing nubby. have you ever questioned your belief system?
let me relate it to something as simple at addition. when you are young you are taught 1+1=2, if you dont believe it, you can grab one apple, put it beside another apple and see for a fact that you have now 2 apples.
but when you are then taught that there is a magical man in the sky that sees you when youre sleeping, who knows when youre awake, who knows if youve been bad or good...wouldnt you want proof to actually believe in him? not just ancient stories from fearful men?



The Christian faith is not a vacuous leap at it were.

It through his spirit and his word that God can communicate with a believer. There is a good article in Christianity Today I will post on here.

I have questioned my belief system. It ended up giving me a much deeper faith.

I am confident Christ was who he claimed to be. I have a confident hope.

These are not just stories made up by men. Look at the tests for a prophet in the old testament. A false prophecy meant death. God actually breathed through these men inspiring them to write these things down.


wait a second here, i thought the story of jesus rising was in the new testament.
and anyways, just because way back when in the old testement when false prophecy meant death, who was to decide the punishment? leaders? and it was to create fear. just like the witch trials not so long ago.
but that punishment you describe exactly proves my point that religion does not leave any room for question due to fear?
are you saying people of buddhist ,hindu, jain, sikh and especially people of jewish faith(because they reject the fact that jesus is the messiah) are wrong for thier beliefs? or is it your duty or a "man of faith" to kill them?

and im not mocking you or anything when i ask, when god speaks to you, what does he say? what does his voice sound like? does he have a north american accent, or is it an arabic accent? does he speak to you when you in your dreams? or is it when you are conscious?

if you can come up with an answer to all my questions above, i might just be impressed a little



The community was to judge the prophet.
The new covenant between God and his people is about Grace, not fear of judgement.

"My kingdom is not of this world that men should fight." Christ;s call to us is to lay down the sword when it concerns his name.


God speaks to me through his word mainly. I have had one experience, and never since, where the power of the Holy Spirit overwhelmed me, I wont say anything more. I put forth in the forum an experience of prophecy. You should read it. I know for a fact that God still speaks through dreams today, mainly in 3rd world countries where the word of God has not penetrated. I have heard of many a muslim who come Christ through this means. We see a proliferation of miracles when the word of God needs to be moved in a special way. I believe the gifts of the spirit are still active today just not nearly as often.


so you still didnt answer me when i asked it if people buddhist ,hindu, jain, sikh and especially people of jewish faith are wrong for what they believe in. and if they are wrong, what makes you so sure?

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Sun 03/15/09 04:26 PM


does religion by design demand that there is no room for debate nubby?
you say that i am lost because i dont accept your god? a little condesending isnt it?
i dont know about you but all i understand is that you talk to god, but when does god ever talk back? you say through his actions he speaks...do you have any personal stories that you can actually say god has specifically answered one of your questions? i would really like to know.

another thing nubby. have you ever questioned your belief system?
let me relate it to something as simple at addition. when you are young you are taught 1+1=2, if you dont believe it, you can grab one apple, put it beside another apple and see for a fact that you have now 2 apples.
but when you are then taught that there is a magical man in the sky that sees you when youre sleeping, who knows when youre awake, who knows if youve been bad or good...wouldnt you want proof to actually believe in him? not just ancient stories from fearful men?



The Christian faith is not a vacuous leap at it were.

It through his spirit and his word that God can communicate with a believer. There is a good article in Christianity Today I will post on here.

I have questioned my belief system. It ended up giving me a much deeper faith.

I am confident Christ was who he claimed to be. I have a confident hope.

These are not just stories made up by men. Look at the tests for a prophet in the old testament. A false prophecy meant death. God actually breathed through these men inspiring them to write these things down.


wait a second here, i thought the story of jesus rising was in the new testament.
and anyways, just because way back when in the old testement when false prophecy meant death, who was to decide the punishment? leaders? and it was to create fear. just like the witch trials not so long ago.
but that punishment you describe exactly proves my point that religion does not leave any room for question due to fear?
are you saying people of buddhist ,hindu, jain, sikh and especially people of jewish faith(because they reject the fact that jesus is the messiah) are wrong for thier beliefs? or is it your duty or a "man of faith" to kill them?

and im not mocking you or anything when i ask, when god speaks to you, what does he say? what does his voice sound like? does he have a north american accent, or is it an arabic accent? does he speak to you when you in your dreams? or is it when you are conscious?

if you can come up with an answer to all my questions above, i might just be impressed a little

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Sat 03/14/09 04:16 PM
does religion by design demand that there is no room for debate nubby?
you say that i am lost because i dont accept your god? a little condesending isnt it?
i dont know about you but all i understand is that you talk to god, but when does god ever talk back? you say through his actions he speaks...do you have any personal stories that you can actually say god has specifically answered one of your questions? i would really like to know.

another thing nubby. have you ever questioned your belief system?
let me relate it to something as simple at addition. when you are young you are taught 1+1=2, if you dont believe it, you can grab one apple, put it beside another apple and see for a fact that you have now 2 apples.
but when you are then taught that there is a magical man in the sky that sees you when youre sleeping, who knows when youre awake, who knows if youve been bad or good...wouldnt you want proof to actually believe in him? not just ancient stories from fearful men?

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Sat 03/14/09 06:32 AM
Edited by steady94 on Sat 03/14/09 06:40 AM




I don't believe in "Christ" & have been told that i'm going to "HELL"

:tongue: At least, it will be warm.:tongue:





You have a misunderstanding of hell. Hell is separation from God. God is love. Hell will be the absence of love. God is good. Hell will be the absence all that is good. Hate will consume you. Hope will be lost. The bible uses metaphorical language when speaking about hell. It is a scary thing to be lost from God forever.




if im a non believer, does that make me not lost?
i dont find myself hate filled at all, and am nowhere near scared of a magical man from up above. so i guess i live in hell each and every day...




A non believer is lost with out God, he is stuck in his sin.
Hell will be the absence of love. You dont feel hate filled because of the work of God in your life. The feeling and emotions God has given you are important for the existence of free will.

Lewis points out, for the non believer it would be hell to be with God for eternity. Which means there is a deeper rejection going on than we may know.

We are not talking about a magical man from above. I am talking about a God who spoke the universe into existence by the power of his word.


so as a non-believer it would be hell for me to go to heaven? because wouldnt that mean that it would be heaven for me to pass on and spend my time with lucifer? or are we saying that since spending eternity with god would be hell, that god and lucifer are the same? you are right, i am lost. (you just got caught in your own web of lies i think)


i dont feel hate filled because of the work of god in my life? but i dont surround myself with people who believe in this nonsense and i know for a fact the people around me bring joy to my life.

to believe in your hallucinations of a god, would be the equivalent of belief in santa or the easter bunny...you know, the 2 guys jesus gets together with on poker night. because theres just as many childrens stories written about those magical beings as there are of your god.

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Sat 03/14/09 06:29 AM


Those aren't facts. They are only found in the bible. That is only one source.


They are believed to be historical facts by the majority of scholarship.


no they are not! find me someone who is not mentally insane that can prove to me that these "historical facts" have any backing outside of the bible.

another thing that irks me, you know how jesus was born of a virgin mother. why is there no other evidence of a virgin woman giving birth outside of the bible. how did the romans not know of this and keep record of it? it seems like kind of a big deal.

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Fri 03/13/09 04:33 PM
haha i got nothing but time...cuz apparently im not getting into heaven....

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Fri 03/13/09 04:26 PM

so nubby, youre saying a person is seperated from god because of sin...
priests who **** little boys/girls..sin
the church itself, being on of the largest businesses, if not the largest business on earth, living wealthy, building massive structures, wearing ridiculously expensive robes, and yet so much poverty in this world..sin
will your almighty god forgive these people?
would you forgive a child preditor being of such great faith?


and for you to say that because i dont believe in your god i am a sinner?

but ill give it to you for being right that all religions are man made (including yours).

to me anyone with a belief that there is an almighty god cleary has a mental disorder.


still didnt answer me nubby....

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Fri 03/13/09 03:24 PM
haha sweet pic

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Fri 03/13/09 02:45 PM


I don't believe in "Christ" & have been told that i'm going to "HELL"

:tongue: At least, it will be warm.:tongue:





You have a misunderstanding of hell. Hell is separation from God. God is love. Hell will be the absence of love. God is good. Hell will be the absence all that is good. Hate will consume you. Hope will be lost. The bible uses metaphorical language when speaking about hell. It is a scary thing to be lost from God forever.




if im a non believer, does that make me not lost?
i dont find myself hate filled at all, and am nowhere near scared of a magical man from up above. so i guess i live in hell each and every day...

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Fri 03/13/09 02:40 PM
so nubby, youre saying a person is seperated from god because of sin...
priests who **** little boys/girls..sin
the church itself, being on of the largest businesses, if not the largest business on earth, living wealthy, building massive structures, wearing ridiculously expensive robes, and yet so much poverty in this world..sin
will your almighty god forgive these people?
would you forgive a child preditor being of such great faith?


and for you to say that because i dont believe in your god i am a sinner?

but ill give it to you for being right that all religions are man made (including yours).

to me anyone with a belief that there is an almighty god cleary has a mental disorder.

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Fri 03/13/09 11:56 AM
just some simple questions here.
how can there be so many different gods? (practices of different religion?)
are people like mormans or jews etc. wrong for not believing in christianity?
how can "the god" be around for thousands of years, then all of a sudden in the 1800's mormons pop up? then scientology pops up in the 1900's?

to make it clear i am a believe in none of these silly bed time stories you call religion. however, it would be nice if someone could answer these for me

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Fri 03/13/09 03:15 AM
ha! id like to think that...but being a human being with the worlds #1 superpower (the usa) pretty much running this world on religion for the most part....or at least for the last 8 years, i take great interest on how warped some peoples minds can get

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Fri 03/13/09 03:10 AM
this is an argument religion can just not win. unless they play the mentally insane card...

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