Correction to my last post, Six of Eight being detained were doctors.

Three of the eight being held were doctors. Interesting that they would be involved in planning of terrorist attacks. Those that were slamming Army Doc should really take this information into consideration...

http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/13/magazines/fortune/pluggedin_murphy_terror.fortune/index.htm

Spider,
You mind as well give up with Oceans, he is a contradiction in himself. He is the one with the closed mind and unwilling to accept anything outside of his belief that the US and Israel are evil.
If you carefully read his posts, just like his last he already at final judgement on topics that many dispute.
His latest post in here is a prime example, he now is refering to post invasion reports, after the fact.
Of which that report is still debated amongst those in the know.
Wasn't it Russia the other day that voted against the UN ending the inquiry into Iraq's WMD, because they, the Russians, say it the findings are inconclusive? What do you mean in conclusive? Oceans says it is a known fact that Iraq did not have WMDs.
There is still a good chance that WMDs were moved from Iraq to Lebanon and are sitting in the Bekka Valley. A highly armed terrorist haven and considered one of the most armed and protected areas of the world. It also is an upstream tunnel into Israel, thus any release of WMDs would flood Israel with death. Additionally Syria has yet to be cleared of having accepted anything from Saddam.
If anyone remembers, Iranian supported insurgents held onto Falluja quite tightly, strange enough Falluja was one of the factories of Saddams WMDs during the 80s.
There are many more unanswered possibilies that have an ounce of feasibility than what Oceans would like.
Oceans has to show how much he knows by constantly throwing out qualifiers such as, I have a briefing to go to, I am preparing a briefing... I teach this... etc...It is a sure sign that he is not as qualified as he tries to portray. And on top of it he teaches this, a sure sign of nothing... Academia is one of the most left liberal organization in the world and constantly teaches their opinion instead of fact when it comes to issues such as this.
Spider, I do enjoy reading your comments, as I do most on here.

And now Glasgow, although they are not sure that it is a terrorist attack...

They do seem to have links to the london car bombs...

One of the bomb cars in london was seen in Scotland a few days before.

Looks like the UK better knuckle down...

Barb Amen...
If you read the source article I posted, one of the "victims" that they say it is "unconstitutional" to hold at Gitmo, was picked up after he killed a medic trying to save a wounded soldier. Personally they should have shot him on the battlefield, but then the media would have ranted and raved about how our soldiers kill 17 year old in war...

Gitmo is based on a lease dating to the early 1900's. The current cuban
leadership disputes the lease based the 1969 Vienna Convention Treaty,
however since the lease accured prior to said treaty, the US argues that
it is still valid.
Cuban leadership claims it is an occupation.
As a side note, it is the oldest US military base outside the US. It has
only become popular since 2001 because of the media coverage of
prisoners from Afghanistan.

The biggest security threat to our country and the rest of the world.

"So in under two weeks time, the judiciary of the United States has
established that known international terrorists, bent on causing as much
destruction within this country's borders as humanly possible, cannot be
held at Guantanamo, cannot be held in U.S. prisons, and cannot be
returned to the only countries that will accept them. Needless to say,
the media, the academy, and the Democratic Party - collapsed
institutions all - view this as a triumph."

"So if the War on Terror is a fraud, no more than a grotesque conspiracy
designed to implement some kind of garrison state, what does that make
the "terrorists"? What else but victims? Victims suffering horribly amid
the abuses of Guantanamo and the rendition prisons. Victims standing
alone against the full power of the state, victims deserving all the
assistance they can get....


And in fact, the rhetoric we're hearing from the bench today closely
echoes what was said about criminals during the 60s. Judge Diana Gribbon
Motz, in her decision on the Al-Marri case:

"To sanction such presidential authority to order the military to seize
and indefinitely detain civilians, even if the president calls them
'enemy combatants, would have disastrous consequences for the
Constitution - and the country."
There we have it - the terrorist as protector of the Constitution. The
first line of defense of the Bill of Rights. "


http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/06/casting_terrorists_as_defender.html

That site is run by a friend of mine, and if you check the bio's of the
contributors, has some very interest information. Unfortunetly most do
not want to hear it, the truth hurts.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/comment/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4

http://www.angolapress-angop.ao/noticia-e.asp?ID=540987

That the US wants to take over Venezuala's Oil Reserves, I thought he
just did that...

http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/world.aspx?ID=BD4A501068

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/06/al_jazeera_hugo_chavez_threate.html

When Israeli forces accidentally hit UN staff in Lebanon last summer,
there was a surge of outrage and conspiracey theories of how it was
intentional.

However when UN forces were intentially targeted with a remote
controlled bomb there is nothing...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-lebanon25jun25,1,6268764.story?coll=la-headlines-world

http://analysis.threatswatch.org/2007/06/hamas-iran-and-the-new-two-sta/

The forgotten refugees of the Israelii-Palestinain Conflict.

http://www.iflac.com/jac/jac/ForgottenRefugees.htm

Oceans, thanks for the compliment, as I have stated before, you show
quite well how closed minded you are, if any says anything that goes
against your view of reality, then they must be wrong. You cannot come
up with any evidence supporting you accusations against Israeli, thus
you resort to "you source is not good".

You have no idea what source I use for information for my opinions. And
I said in the past, when I put my opinions forth they are posed as such,
unlike your opinions which you try to pass off as fact and hope that the
unknowledgable will take it on faith.

Again, I have yet to see anyone on here present actual proof that the
Israelis knowning attacked the USS Liberty. Maybe the legal counsel that
has been used in the past is just as bad as the arguements on here and
have been unable to present anything of substance to initiate a
congressional hearing. Please someone provide some concrete evidence,
not speculation and inferences.

And to clarify, if there was solid concrete evidence then this would be
more than a conspiracy theory. If the accusations against Israel are
able to be substantiated more than opinions are needed. And if this was
so much a fact, then why are historians, intel experts and academics so
divided on the facts.

Oh wait, Oceans say all of them agree... So you need to keep dreaming
on, as they do not all agree or this would have been settled long ago.

Oceans, Zionism as not as simple as you put it. There are many types of
Zionism, the one you are refering tois "Modern Political" Zionism.

The root Zionism, is simply the return to Israel, a biblical reference
after G"d banished the Jews.

There are Christian factions that are Zionist as well, and other
Christian factions that support Zionism as they feel that it will lead
to Judgement Day.

Oceans, it would seem you are the one unwilling to learn anything.
Usually the person with the closed mind calls this false logic card
first.
It is neither a lack of understanding or a lack of having read your
prior post to leads me to post contrary to your postings. It is my
opinion based on the information I have, that disagrees with the
information you have posted, therefore I am posting so that there is an
equal balance of information.

It is it my opinion that all information posted on the the Internet have
a counterbalance so that those that do not know, will not be sucked into
a one sided understanding of the information.

I must say that you hidden (not so well hidden) insults are quite
amusing. Also you claims to educate me are quite welcome, however you
have yet to pose anything that I have not yet heard/read elsewhere. Thus
your claim that I have a lot to learn, is really a reflect of yourself.
Just because people do not agree with the official liberal lines, does
not mean they need to learn more, it means they probably already know
those lines and disagree.

Thanks for all the fish.

Adventure, nice contradictions. As for being able to do a search,
obviously I can, however if you are going to cite information, you
should provide the source(s) you used.
Again, just because it was submitted, does not make it true. That is the
part you are missing. Additionally as you selectivly took parts out of
context, they can be made to appears as one thing when they are not.

As for the FreeRepublic, they are news articles from Haarezt and Jpost,
I know, you probably find them quite biased, however all news outlets
are biased, and the source off most of the information regarding the USS
Liberty, comes from a biased source as well. As for the responses, I
found for anti-Israeli responses in those forums on those particular
articles.

As I have said their is has been no concrete evidence of intent to
attack a known US military ship ever been presented. There is
speculation and that is all.

Unless you can post concrete evidence of intent to attack a US military
vessel, then there is no need to post anything else.

Oceans, if you read listened to/read about the US recordings they
support the Israeli recordings that show they thought they were
attacking the Egyptian freighter.

I know, many "experts" claim it is impossible to have mistaken the two,
however it is just that a claim.

People forget that humans make errors, especially at a mile+ distance.
It does not mean there was or is a plot. Again unless you have concrete
evidence to the contrary, I will go along with what is know, based on
the evidence that is available.

Adventure,
As I said before, the links I sent were easy access to stories posted on
the release of NSA recordings.

As for you quote, nice, but nothing more than speculation/opinion.

As for hwt was sumbitted in the case, it is not proof, it is alleged
evidence at this point, of which proves nothing. Has any judgement been
made that proves authenticy of the information, does it prove the
Israelis knew the USS Liberty was in fact the Liberty when it attacked.
The simple answer is NO, it is speculation.

If any of it was actual proof, then it would have already been acted
upon.

As I stated before, please provide links to support what you claim is
actual evidence, I am not saying it is not, but please support your
argument.

And FreeRepublic is hardly a Pro-Israeli forum. And to discount the
validity of a forum, you ultimately discount the validity of your posts
on this forum. Open mindedness has nothing to do with the source of the
posts, as you have clearly shown you do. It has to do with accepting
information based on logical reasoning, which to assume speculation as
fact is far from.

I would also like to say it is nice of you to take exerts out of context
and post them as individual items. Try taking the whole exert from the
trial and post that, of course with links to your sources of
information.

All sites are partisan to the side they want to portay, very few people
are objective, there is always an agenda, right Oceans.

As for the Palestinian side not being well known/understood, it is very
well known and understood. What is overlooked is those that keep the
Palestinians in the condition they are in. Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Hamas,
Hezbollah Fatah etc...

They were deceived by those in power in these places and are not
fighting for their homes, I think you would agree that the Israeli
arguement that they have a right to the Land of Israel based on history
is quite invalid. The same goes for the Palestinians.

They are nothing more than Jordanians, Egyptians, and Syrians that lost
their homes when these countries tried to invade Israel.

The small number of Palestinians that were alive when Israel was created
may have some claim if they had been run off their land, however most
sold out. Those not born in what is now Israel have no claim.

The occupation of Gaza, Golan Heights and the West Bank are the
consequences of Said factions/countries mentioned above.

One of the worst things to happen to the Palestinians was Arafat, he
brought the territories to their knees and robbed the Palestinians
blind. The terrorist attacks did nothing to get them any closer to being
better of.

It is the Israeli side that is sadly not understood on well known.