Vehicle carrying explosives would have caused 'significant damage,' security official says

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19495826/
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what do ya think

is this a ploy to stay the course

or an actual terrorist attack on the new govt leaders

Its a ploy ...

Lets keep the country focussed on the terror campaign and diffuse the complete pig's ear of the so called govt.

Isnt it strange how it manifests itself at 2am in one of the busiest parts of London.
It doesnt interrupt the traffic, it doesnt get discovered at a busy time so as to upset the wheels of industry.

the location of the car is about 2 blocks away from the office of the British secret service ... christ they could have loaded the car, driven it there, gone for a swim in the fountain, had a burger and a few beers, done a lap dancing club, and been on time for work the next morning!!

Too convenient

interesting how that workz

isn't it

Good morning, everyone!

Duncan, what would you give as odds that it was authentic vs. a ploy? (or are you saying that there is a zero chance that it was authentic?

Second question: what percentage of the UK populace do you think sees it as most-likely-authentic?

Coffee!

Oceans

Same questions to you, adj4u!

"The area — packed with restaurants, bars, a cinema complex and theaters — was busy and buzzing at that hour. Haymarket links Piccadilly Circus to the north to the Pall Mall at its southern end."

If they were trying to kill people, seems like 1:30 AM would have been a great time to do it. The place was busy with lots of people and being at night, you have less light to worry that someone might notice something strange.

With all the leaks of confidential information that we have seen from the Bush and Blair administrations, it's mind-boggling that some people believe this sort of thing could be a hoax without the truth being revealed almost immediately. So let's see...The EMTs lied, the police lied, the bomb squad lied and someone had to arrange the whole thing...

No scenario is too far fetched when your heart and mind is driven by hate and a complete refusal to accept reality.

i would say 65 terrror

35 ploy

but only conjecture on my part

what better place than under the nose of your pursuer

it could be a ploy with only a couple secret service knowing

they set the think up

then they find it before it goes off

only takes a couple hawks to do it

not the whole govt.


but hey what do i know

It really would take only one person to set it up.

There is a well-known pattern in which people whose job it is to save others will actually start something and then dash in heroically to the rescue.

We had an instance of this with a wilderness fire-fighter in Colroado who set a huge forest fire a few years ago, and another of a local firefighter who turned out to be a serial arsonist.

But this is a far cry from a government plot to create further pliancy in an already-panicked civilian population.

Reichstag fire?

And we know that the Bush adminsitration fabricated 'evidence' in order to panic people into attacking Afghanistan and Iraq.

But have the British government engaged in this too?

I hope not.

A 65-35 probability is already a huge indictment....

We are in bad shape when we even have cause to start questioning the honesty of our government.


Oceans

Oceans5555,

"And we know that the Bush adminsitration fabricated 'evidence' in order to panic people into attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. "

We do? I could have sworn that the Bush administration repeated the claims that the Clinton administration made in 1998. Everyone who had access to our intelligence came to the same conclusion. Most of the worlds intelligence agencies believed that Saddam had WMDs. But somehow Bush is so powerful (yet a moron, can't forget he's a moron!) that he manipulated the Clinton administration and most of the western worlds intelligence agencys so that he could steal the election in 2000 and start a war with Iraq. Yeah, that could happen...In Bizzaro World.

well in an unrelated example

(but i see yer point spider)
(so stupid he masterminded the whole thing)
(some want both sides of the street)

back during the cuban missle era

it was discussed and ready to go forward

that the us would stage a cuban terrorist incident
to justifiably in vade cuba

reason it did not go forward macnamia (spelling)
said he would go public

so it is a fact that these things do happen

but then again that was a democratic administration

adj!

And there are the Zimmerman telegram, and Gulf of Tonkin 'attacks'.

Less known but probably more important in shaping public opinion these days are the 'black' teams that seek to provoke suspicion and violence between segments of a population, in order to destabilize it.

Oceans

divide and control

is a true conquering

divide and conquer is an apt statement.

From what I have read in these political threads this method of propagandized warfare has been used very well against the United States and most other western nations.

Look at how easy it is to get us to slam our government, buy into lies and pass those very same lies on.

At any point where something happens in the world, no matter who actually does that something fingers are immediatly pointed at the US and rumors of 'black ops' and 'false flags' are touted as 'truths'

Some of these may be true but I can not see ALL of them being true. Given that there are people out there whos main goal in life is to bring down our government it is no suprise to me that so many can be fooled by such drivel.

no one said the u s did this

yer the first to mention the possibility

interesting

That was a laugh directed at the absurdity of this thread!
If someone in the British Gov were to do this dont you think the dam thing would have went off to destroy the evidence. We sure are including a whole lot of people into the conspiracy now. How do you imagine they are going to keep that many people silent. Wrap rubber bands around their balls and threated to tighten them if they tell!

who said it had to be a total gov ploy

it would only take a couple of

hawks to set it and discover it

b4 it goes off

to set it off to destroy the evidence

would make them murderers of their own people

maybe a little more than they want to be

did you even read the thread

both of these points have been made

Spider ...

Quote "If they were trying to kill people, seems like 1:30 AM would have been a great time to do it. The place was busy with lots of people and being at night, you have less light to worry that someone might notice something strange. "

1) 130am in Picadilly Circus, the place would have very few people there. At that time, the majority of people would have gone to the West End Clubs ... its a Thursday night, and it was pi55ing down with rain. No self respecting bit of fluff, looking to get her leg over, would be hanging out in Piccadilly Circus.

2) Less light? It is festooned with lights from every corner. You could find your contact lens in the cleavage of a 3 foot midget at 1.30am.

3) Notice something strange? On any given Saturday, there are people dressed as chickens, jumping in the fountain and running down the street with a pair of socks shoved down their shorts, with their pants around their ankles shouting "look at me Im enormous!!"

Quote "No scenario is too far fetched when your heart and mind is driven by hate and a complete refusal to accept reality. "

.. and no scenario is beyond the realms of possibility when your head is up the ass of the guy in front of you in the pantomine cow costume, your mind is numbed by vast quantitys of ale, drugs and the lack of oxygen in the arse end of the cow costume.

Hate? Where the hell did you get hate from?

I dont hate, I have had far too many dealings with the British Govt to hate some overblown, outdated full-a-sh1t organisation that invented bureaucracy!!

As far as accepting reality goes, if you can construct a screen around an empty square, then whatever you feed to the press will be big news.

The news organisation is controlled by Govt funding. The CEO is actually, or used to be a government official.

Hero Cop May Have Saved Scores Of Lives
Updated: 17:57, Friday June 29, 2007

Sky News sources say one of the first police officers on the scene of the London West End car bomb may have saved dozens of lives by defusing the explosives before the bomb squad arrived.
It is believed the quick-thinking cop recognised that the car was wired to blow up, jumped in and disconnected the trigger device, thought to be a mobile phone.
This backs up an eye-witness account of a police officer briefly entering the metallic green Mercedes before running for cover.

Car removed from scenePeople are being warned to stay vigilant after the discovery of the "massive" car bomb, which could have killed hundreds of nightclub revellers.

The device, which contained 60 litres of petrol, a large amount of nails and several gas canisters, was found in the Mercedes early this morning.

Park Lane has also been closed to traffic due to a suspect vehicle in an underground car park that police believe is connected to the attempted bombing in Haymarket.

Sky News crime correspondent said: "It might be the escape vehicle of the Mercedes driver, or it might be the vehicle of an accomplice, but it is turning into something very significant."

Fleet Street was also briefly closed after the discovery of another suspect vehicle, but has now reopened.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said the UK is "currently facing the most serious and sustained threat" and authorities are doing everything they can to protect the public.

Police believe they have foiled a major terror attack and said if the bomb had gone off it could have caused "significant injury or loss of life".

Police received reports of a suspicious vehicle close to the Tiger Tiger nightclub in Piccadilly shortly before 2am.


Hyde Park and Park Lane sealed offAn ambulance crew, who treated a person in the club in an unrelated incident, reported that there was smoke inside the car.

The bomb was near the popular Regent Street shopping area, and security sources say it could have been timed to coincide with Gordon Brown's first day as Prime Minister.

An eyewitness said a man had crashed the vehicle into bins near Tiger Tiger and then ran off, before the alarm was raised.

The timing coincided with hundreds of revellers leaving nightspots, but police said there was no intelligence to suggest such an attack.

The massive quantity of petrol along with several propane gas cylinders could have combined to create a large explosion.

There was so much petrol in the vehicle that the highly flammable vapour it gave off is believed to have looked like smoke.

Former Scotland Yard commander Roy Ramm told Sky News the bomb was specifically designed to cause as many casualties as possible.

"It was clearly an anti-personnel device," he said.

"You don't put nails in a bomb to bring down buildings, you do it to kill people."


Vehicle examined for cluesThe area was cordoned off by officers who examined the metallic green car, outside an American Express foreign exchange, and then discovered the device.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism command, paid tribute to those who manually defused it, saying they had not only saved lives but gave forensic officers the opportunity to gather a substantial amount of material.

He said it was too early to speculate about who was involved, and called on the public to remain vigilant.

Officers have appealed for witnesses who may have seen anything suspicious in the Haymarket area last night and early this morning. The number is 0800 789 321.

Extra police patrols are taking place across London following the incident.

Whitehall sources said that the police and security services are looking at possible international links - including similarities to car bombs used by insurgents in Iraq.

Mr Brown said the incident reminds us that Britain faces "a serious and continuous threat" and the public "need to be alert" at all times.


Device found in HaymarketThe Haymarket is in the heart of London's theatreland, which is packed with thousands of people through most of the day and night.

Police have begun an investigation and the suspect vehicle was removed from the scene for detailed forensic examinations.

Detectives will be looking at CCTV footage from the area surrounding the Haymarket and interviewing witnesses, including staff from the nightclub.

Congestion charge cameras, which recognise number plates and run 24 hours a day, will be able to track the route of the vehicle into the capital.

Former head of the Flying Squad John O'Connor said the attacker had most probably "bottled it" and was likely to be a homegrown terrorist.

There has been major traffic disruption to the area, with several roads shut, along with Piccadilly Circus Tube station.

The Home Secretary chaired an emergency Cobra meeting about the terror scare and then briefed the Cabinet.

Enhanced security measures have been put in place at the Houses of Westminster in the wake of the incident.

The discovery of the car bomb comes just under two years since suicide attacks killed 52 people in the capital.

Another 784 were injured when four bombs exploded on London's transport network on July 7, 2005.