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Topic: Judeo-Christian Bible-PROOF Divinely Inspired
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Sun 05/24/15 08:48 PM
Edited by NeutralZone2 on Sun 05/24/15 08:49 PM
There is EVIDENCE the Judeo-Christian Bible was divinely inspired by Jehovah. Below are a few instances of such proof.

1. Bible writers had knowledge that was well ahead of its time, such as the fact that earth appears to be circular when viewed from above.

"There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell," (Isaiah 40:22)


2. Bible writers had knowledge that earth is floating in space, with no visible means of support, when nobody at that time in history could have known this.

"He [Jehovah] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;" (Job 26:7)]



3. The Judeo-Christian Bible has almost 2,000 accurately fulfilled prophesies. Many of the prophecies are remarkably detailed--proof that the prophecies did not come from the men who were used to write the Bible but that instead, the prophecies came from Almighty God Jehovah.


DEBATE QUESTIONS:
1. How could the writer of the Book of Isaiah have known that earth appears as a circle when earth is viewed from above?


2. How did Moses know that the earth is floating in space with no visible means of support?


3. How were the many other Bible writers able to accurately prophesy nearly 7,000 events?



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Mon 05/25/15 12:45 AM
Numbers, 2,000 or 7,000 events? How many of those events didn't occur in biblical times? I believe there is a confluence, not a contradiction of science and judeo-christianity. Science has proved over and over again that events from the bible did actually happen, Sodom and Gomorrah etc. We know there were prophetic revalations given to the book's namesakes that happened soon thereafter. Judas. I don't count that as a prophecy given to the (unnamed) authors, rather as a vision of Jesus himself. That has to change the numbers drastically as we know that Jesus didn't write the bible.
People often think of the bible as only holy. They don't think of it wholly, or as a whole. It isn't one book, it's much more like a historical encyclopedia. What makes Christians uncomfortable is when science explains a "miracle" i.e. the burning bush that was not consumed. Why does it matter that science explains things that we now know to occur? It's called a torch. Unlike torches we are familiar with the fuel that keeps the flame going is NATURAL GAS, the middle east is THE MOST ABUNDANT source of fossil fuels. Its still AMAZING.
Since the discovery of the Gnostic gospels the Nicene council thought were destroyed, many people doubt their validity. The council of Nicea only accepted 4 books for inclusion in the bible, Matthew Mark Luke and John. We don't doubt Matthew or the other 3 so why today do we accept Deuteronomy? Jobe? Exodus? Why don't we accept the book of the apostle Peter? The gospel of Judas? They exist. The gospel of Mary Magdalene. It's all about what they knew that the others didn't. Jesus had a wife.
If we know that Jesus died for our sins, and only through the death he died for us (the Passion) could he be resurrected, doesn't that make Judas and Peter (the betrayers) the most trusted and the most important of all the apostles?

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Mon 05/25/15 12:50 AM
Forgot to mention that when radiocarbon dated the Gnostic gospels found by the goat herders were older than the oldest known copies of Matthew Mark Luke or John.

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Mon 05/25/15 01:27 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 05/25/15 01:28 AM
http://listverse.com/2014/09/08/10-theories-about-who-really-wrote-the-bible/

BTW,if it were Divine Inspiration,how come they weren't inspired to know that Earth is a Sphere,NOT FLAT!


Jews and Christians widely believe that Moses wrote the first five books in the Bible. Beginning with some medieval rabbis, however, doubts about this claim have been raised. As an obvious starting point, Moses could not have written Deuteronomy 34:5-10, which speaks about his death. But this glaring inconsistency is just the beginning.

The books contain anachronisms that Moses could not have written. Genesis 36, for example, lists Edomite kings who lived long after Moses died. The Philistines are mentioned in Genesis, yet they did not arrive in Canaan until 1200 B.C., after the time of Moses.

Genesis 12:6 implies that the author was writing after the Canaanites had been driven out of the region, something that didn't happen until the time of Moses's successor Joshua. Similarly, a clue in Genesis 36:31 suggests that the text was written when Israel was already a monarchy. Genesis 24 mentions domesticated camels, but camels were not domesticated until much later. The caravan trade in Genesis 37:25 only flourished in the eighth and seventh centuries B.C.

An early explanation for these textual anomalies was that Moses wrote the core of the Pentateuch, but later editors, such as Ezra, made additions. But in 1670, the philosopher Baruch Spinoza first proposed that Moses did not pen any of these books at all. It was common practice in the ancient Near East to attribute a work to an ancestral hero, or even a god, to legitimize its message and contents. That is probably what happened here.

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Mon 05/25/15 01:49 AM

http://listverse.com/2014/09/08/10-theories-about-who-really-wrote-the-bible/

BTW,if it were Divine Inspiration,how come they weren't inspired to know that Earth is a Sphere,NOT FLAT!


One of the most enduring myths that children grow up with is the idea that Columbus was the only one of his time who believed that the Earth was round; everyone else believed it was flat. “How brave the sailors of 1492 must have been,” you might imagine, “to travel towards the edge of the world without fear of falling off!”

Indeed, there are many ancient references to the Earth being shaped like a disc. And if you knew only of the two most important astronomical objects in the sky — the Sun and the Moon — you yourself might reach the same conclusions.

Contrary to popular belief, this question wasn’t settled in the 1400s and 1500s (with Magellan’s circumnavigation of the globe), but more than 2,000 years ago, in the ancient world! And what’s perhaps most amazing? It was done using nothing more than the Sun.
Here’s how:
If you follow the Sun’s path through the daytime sky, and you live in the Northern hemisphere, you’ll find that it rises in the eastern part of the sky, rises up to its apex in the south, and then lowers and sets in the west. And it does this every day of the year.
But it doesn’t take the exact same path every day out of the year; the Sun reaches a much higher point (and shines for more hours during the day) during the summer months, and reaches a significantly lower point (and shines for fewer hours) during the winter. To dramatically illustrate this, here’s a time-lapse photo of the Sun’s path through the sky taken during the winter solstice in Fairbanks, Alaska.
In fact, if you charted out the Sun’s path through the daytime sky, you would find that it takes its lowest path (for the fewest number of hours) on the Winter Solstice — usually December 21st — and its highest path (for the greatest number of hours) on the Summer Solstice, usually June 21st.
If you constructed a camera capable of photographing the Sun’s path through the sky over the course of the year, you would find exactly this: a series of arcs, where the highest, longest arc through the sky was made during the Summer Solstice and the lowest, shortest arc was made during the Winter Solstice.
And in the ancient world, the greatest scholars and scientists from Egypt, Greece, and all over the Mediterranean went to work at the Library of Alexandria. One of these scientists was the Ancient Greek Astronomer, Eratosthenes of Cyrene.
While living in Alexandria, Eratosthenes received some amazing correspondence from the city of Syene in southern Egypt. In particular, it said that, on the Summer Solstice,

the shadow of someone looking down a deep well would block the reflection of the Sun at noon.

In other words, the Sun would be directly overhead at this time, not a single degree to the South, North, East or West. And if you had a completely vertical object, it would cast absolutely no shadow.
But Eratosthenes knew that this wasn’t the case where he was, in Alexandria. Sure, the Sun came closer to being directly overhead at Noon on the Summer Solstice in Alexandria than at any other time during the year, but vertical objects still cast shadows.
And — like any good scientist — Eratosthenes did the experiment. By measuring the length of the shadow cast by a vertical stick during the solstice noon, he could figure out what angle the Sun made with the vertical direction at Alexandria.
And the answer he got was one-fiftieth of a circle, or 7.2 degrees. But at this time, in Syene, the angle the Sun was making with an identical vertical stick was zero degrees! What could be causing this? In perhaps a stroke of genius, Eratosthenes realized that the Sun’s rays could all be parallel, and that the Earth could be curved!
If he could then figure out the distance from Alexandria to Syene, since he knew the angular difference between the two cities, he could figure out the circumference of the Earth! If only Eratosthenes had a grad student, he could have sent one to make the trip, and measure the distance!

Instead, he was forced to rely on the reported distance between the two cities. The most “precise” measurement of his day?
Travel-by-camel. (So I can understand criticisms of his accuracy.) Nevertheless, his results were that the distance between Syene and Alexandria were 5,000 stadia. The question, of course, is how big is a stadium? The answer depends, of course, on whether Eratosthenes, a Greek living in Egypt, was using an Attic stadium or an Egyptian stadium, something still debated among historians. An Attic stadium was used more commonly, and is 185 meters in modern terms. Using this value, one gets a circumference of the Earth of 46,620 kilometers, a number that’s only about 16% bigger than the actual value.
However, an Egyptian stadium is 157.5 meters, and it’s conceivable that’s what Eratosthenes meant. In that case, we get a value of 39,375 kilometers, which is off by less than 2% from the modern value of 40,041 km!

No, the ancients didn't believe the world was flat, at least not the educated ones.

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Mon 05/25/15 02:05 AM

Genesis 24 mentions domesticated camels, but camels were not domesticated until much later. The caravan trade in Genesis 37:25 only flourished in the eighth and seventh centuries B.C.

An early explanation for these textual anomalies was that Moses wrote the core of the Pentateuch, but later editors, such as Ezra, made additions. But in 1670, the philosopher Baruch Spinoza first proposed that Moses did not pen any of these books at all. It was common practice in the ancient Near East to attribute a work to an ancestral hero, or even a god, to legitimize its message and contents. That is probably what happened here.

Do you mean the 7th and 8th century A.D.?
This is what I'm talking about. The 4 aforementioned books were radiocarbon dated to about 300 years after the apostles deaths. Word of mouth was traditionally how stories became his-stories became legends became the bible.
Since our modern lives are based on the Gregorian calendar, the calendar based on the birth and or death of Jesus, we are all wrong. The North Star from the nativity that the wise men followed to Jerusalem wasn't the North star, it was a comet. Comets in biblical times were believed to mark the birth of a king or be a sign of war. If the shepherds were tending their flock by night, it would have been too cold in winter. The Romans occupying Jerusalem made a coin to commemorate the important astrological sign with a coin that has a star with a tail (comet and vapor trail) which dates to 6 A.D. It would not be warm enough to have sheep out at night until spring and the comet was mentioned by Josephus the noted historian. Christmas was arranged to coincide with the pagan celebration of the winter solstice as a way to convert people who worshipped other gods. So instead of Dec 25 0 or 1A.D. it would be Apr 12--15 6A.D. When he was born.
The most important message in the bible to me is about the tower of Babel. He (Jehovah) confused their language, THEY confused OUR bible.

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Mon 05/25/15 02:20 AM
Columbus followed Vespucci. Vespucci wasn't the first to discover America. We don't know who exactly came first but we know for a fact that Columbus wasn't.

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Mon 05/25/15 02:48 AM
As for the earth being spherical, not round and flat, Nicolai Copernicus died for what he was not the first to believe. Looking back at our mistake, he is now praised and credited as the first to discover that the earth was not the literal center of the universe. He was likely the only one brave enough to oppose the papacy. How ironic is it that they would dedicate a not only a graven image but an idol (statue) of his likeness.slaphead

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Mon 05/25/15 03:42 AM
There is a difference between "proof" and "evidence".

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Mon 05/25/15 04:42 AM
Why would the creator of all things need to "divinely inspire" or otherwise commission an autobiography?

Why wouldn't the deity just insert the way I was to conduct myself into my internal programming?

Why would it be necessary to leave that duty to another human that could go about it all wrong, or render some arbitrary interpretation of words written in a language neither of us speak or understand?

These are the writings of men. You make claims of divinely inspired and I counter that inspired does not mean factual.





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Mon 05/25/15 05:43 AM

Why would the creator of all things need to "divinely inspire" or otherwise commission an autobiography?

Why wouldn't the deity just insert the way I was to conduct myself into my internal programming?

Why would it be necessary to leave that duty to another human that could go about it all wrong, or render some arbitrary interpretation of words written in a language neither of us speak or understand?

These are the writings of men. You make claims of divinely inspired and I counter that inspired does not mean factual.








Why wouldn't the deity just insert the way I was to conduct myself into my internal programming?


Why would he? What point would that then be? We would be nothing more then "robots". God is about love, his entire reason for creating us, I do not personally know. But I do know God loves us and wants us to love him. If we were "preprogrammed" we wouldn't then "love" we would just operate off of how we were originally programmed.


Why would it be necessary to leave that duty to another human that could go about it all wrong, or render some arbitrary interpretation of words written in a language neither of us speak or understand?


Leave that duty to another human that could go about it all wrong?

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Mon 05/25/15 11:05 AM

Why would the creator of all things need to "divinely inspire" or otherwise commission an autobiography?

Why wouldn't the deity just insert the way I was to conduct myself into my internal programming?

Why would it be necessary to leave that duty to another human that could go about it all wrong, or render some arbitrary interpretation of words written in a language neither of us speak or understand?

These are the writings of men. You make claims of divinely inspired and I counter that inspired does not mean factual.


Can you say with 100% certainty that you were not programmed to respond in that manner? Or that you weren't programmed to believe in a different god or gods? Unless you live in a monestary I can say there is about a 91% chance that whatever book of worship you own, if you own one, is not written at all rather printed by a MACHINE programmed by a MAN. A man that does not know the author(s) of whatever book(s)
that your faith (if you have any) inspiration is derived from. Even if you don't practice your religion (if you have one) and you feel personally inspired by your god(s) your divine inspiration is derived from a book printed by a MACHINE programmed by a MAN.

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Mon 05/25/15 02:37 PM
Edited by NeutralZone2 on Mon 05/25/15 02:38 PM

http://listverse.com/2014/09/08/10-theories-about-who-really-wrote-the-bible/

Conrad_73 said:

BTW,if it were Divine Inspiration,how come they weren't inspired to know that Earth is a Sphere,NOT FLAT!


Conrad_73:

The Prophet Isaiah was giving a viewpoint description of how Earth appears to someone above it, depending on the angle of the person at the time of the viewing. There are existing photographs of earth where it looks like a 2D circle rather than a sphere/3D circle.


The point you're missing is that Isaiah provided a description of earth as seen from above, at a time in history when no humans had the ability to take space flights.


NeutralZone2


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Mon 05/25/15 02:44 PM


http://listverse.com/2014/09/08/10-theories-about-who-really-wrote-the-bible/

Conrad_73 said:

BTW,if it were Divine Inspiration,how come they weren't inspired to know that Earth is a Sphere,NOT FLAT!


Conrad_73:

The Prophet Isaiah was giving a viewpoint description of how Earth appears to someone above it, depending on the angle of the person at the time of the viewing. There are existing photographs of earth where it looks like a 2D circle rather than a sphere/3D circle.


The point you're missing is that Isaiah provided a description of earth as seen from above, at a time in history when no humans had the ability to take space flights.


NeutralZone2


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:thumbsup:

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Mon 05/25/15 02:47 PM
Edited by NeutralZone2 on Mon 05/25/15 02:52 PM
Conrad_73 said:

Jews and Christians widely believe that Moses wrote the first five books in the Bible. Beginning with some medieval rabbis, however, doubts about this claim have been raised. As an obvious starting point, Moses could not have written Deuteronomy 34:5-10, which speaks about his death. But this glaring inconsistency is just the beginning.


Conrad_73:

Of course Moses wrote Deuteronomy 34:5-10. He had been informed by Jehovah at Numbers 20:12 that both he and his brother Aaron would die and not be permitted to enter the Promised Land, because of their behavior in not giving credit to Jehovah for the miracle with the water. This was on the occasion when the Israelites, after being released from slavery to Egypt, turned on Moses and Aaron, accusing them of bringing them out of Egypt to die of thirst. Notice below. Take particular note at what God told Moses and Aaron at verse 12.

Numbers 20:2-4, 9-12
"2 Now there proved to be no water for the assembly, and they began to congregate themselves against Moses and Aaron. 3 And the people went quarreling with Moses and saying: 'If only we had expired when our brothers expired before Jehovah! 4 And why have you men brought Jehovah's congregation into this wilderness for us and our beasts of burden to die here?' 9 So Moses took the rod from before Jehovah, just as he had commanded him. 10 After that Moses and Aaron called the congregation together before the crag, and he proceeded to say to them: 'Hear, now, you rebels! Is it from this crag that we shall bring out water for you?' 11 With that Moses lifted his hand up and struck the crag with his rod twice; and much water began to come out, and the assembly and their beasts of burden began to drink. 12 Later Jehovah said to Moses and Aaron: 'Because you did not show faith in me to sanctify me before the eyes of the sons of Israel, therefore you will not bring this congregation into the land that I shall certainly give them.'"


Sure enough, as prophesied, Aaron died before he reached the Promised Land. And guess what? Moses and Aaron were given advance warning of Aaron's eminent death. Notice below at verse 24:

Numbers 20:23-24
"23 Then Jehovah said this to Moses and Aaron in Mount Hor by the border of the land of Edom: 24 'Aaron will be gathered to his people. He will not enter the land that I will give to the Israelites, because you both rebelled against my order regarding the waters of Meribah. 25 Take Aaron and his son Eleazar and bring them up into Mount Hor. 26 Remove Aaron's garments and clothe Eleazar his son with them, and Aaron will die there."


So not only did Jehovah inform Moses exactly when Aaron would die, he told Moses where Aaron would die: up in Mount Hor.

Similarly, Jehovah informed Moses ahead of time that his death was eminent. This information was given to Moses when he and the other Israelites reached the plains of Moab. Moses was allowed by God to climb a mountain from which he could see the Promised Land, but he did not die immediately after that, based on the wording used in the scriptural account. Notice below where the words are all caps and bolded at verse 5.]


(Deuteronomy 34:4-5, 7)
"{4} And Jehovah went on to say to him [Moses]: 'This is the land about which I have sworn to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, saying, "To your seed I shall give it." I have caused you to see it with your own eyes, as you will not cross over there.' {5} AFTER THAT Moses the servant of Jehovah died there in the land of Moab at the order of Jehovah. 7 And Moses was a hundred and twenty years old at his death. His eye had not grown dim, and his vital strength had not fled."

See where it says "after that"? That expression does not tell us how much time passed before Moses actually died. But it was more than enough time for Moses to write the few lines required to tell the reader that he died and to write it in the past tense--under divine inspiration.


NeutralZone2


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... be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath...." (James 1:19-20)

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Tue 05/26/15 10:31 PM


Why would the creator of all things need to "divinely inspire" or otherwise commission an autobiography?

Why wouldn't the deity just insert the way I was to conduct myself into my internal programming?

Why would it be necessary to leave that duty to another human that could go about it all wrong, or render some arbitrary interpretation of words written in a language neither of us speak or understand?

These are the writings of men. You make claims of divinely inspired and I counter that inspired does not mean factual.








Why wouldn't the deity just insert the way I was to conduct myself into my internal programming?


Why would he? What point would that then be? We would be nothing more then "robots". God is about love, his entire reason for creating us, I do not personally know. But I do know God loves us and wants us to love him. If we were "preprogrammed" we wouldn't then "love" we would just operate off of how we were originally programmed.


Why would it be necessary to leave that duty to another human that could go about it all wrong, or render some arbitrary interpretation of words written in a language neither of us speak or understand?


Leave that duty to another human that could go about it all wrong?


Lots of words saying nothing

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Tue 05/26/15 10:38 PM


Why would the creator of all things need to "divinely inspire" or otherwise commission an autobiography?

Why wouldn't the deity just insert the way I was to conduct myself into my internal programming?

Why would it be necessary to leave that duty to another human that could go about it all wrong, or render some arbitrary interpretation of words written in a language neither of us speak or understand?

These are the writings of men. You make claims of divinely inspired and I counter that inspired does not mean factual.


Can you say with 100% certainty that you were not programmed to respond in that manner? Or that you weren't programmed to believe in a different god or gods? Unless you live in a monestary I can say there is about a 91% chance that whatever book of worship you own, if you own one, is not written at all rather printed by a MACHINE programmed by a MAN. A man that does not know the author(s) of whatever book(s)
that your faith (if you have any) inspiration is derived from. Even if you don't practice your religion (if you have one) and you feel personally inspired by your god(s) your divine inspiration is derived from a book printed by a MACHINE programmed by a MAN.



I can say with 100% certainty that none of this is remotely relevant to any question I posed.

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Wed 05/27/15 12:06 AM
Edited by Fred7170 on Wed 05/27/15 12:37 AM
I can say with 100% certainty that none of this is remotely relevant to any question I posed

You ask questions that require more than simple answers on a Forum, you take people to task on a subject not easily understood or explained, you pretend wanting to know in order to debate a question that has already been answered more then 5,000 years ago (namely: Does God exists) and then expect any Christian to answer to your full satisfaction while knowing full well that you won't budge from your position after hours and hours of senseless debate and that is less than genuine of you and you know it.
You want answers to your questions? Read the Bible, it's all in there. The answers have been right under man's nose for centuries but fallen-Man prefers to debate and doubt, argue and demonstrate instead of opening his little mind.

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Wed 05/27/15 10:20 AM

I can say with 100% certainty that none of this is remotely relevant to any question I posed

You ask questions that require more than simple answers on a Forum, you take people to task on a subject not easily understood or explained, you pretend wanting to know in order to debate a question that has already been answered more then 5,000 years ago (namely: Does God exists) and then expect any Christian to answer to your full satisfaction while knowing full well that you won't budge from your position after hours and hours of senseless debate and that is less than genuine of you and you know it.
You want answers to your questions? Read the Bible, it's all in there. The answers have been right under man's nose for centuries but fallen-Man prefers to debate and doubt, argue and demonstrate instead of opening his little mind.



Well, yes, Fred, I am calling people to task. And if the answer cannot be supplied in the arena of "a simple forum", then why pose the question or make the claim in a "simple forum?

Is this religious discussion or is it a "everybody agree with me and we'll all clap our hands and smile and act superior to others" soap boxing?

Furthermore, I hadn't questioned the existence of a GOD, I questioned the validity of the handwritten, copied, edited, redacted, and interpreted book being a verbatim record of words spoken by GOD to a scribe. The same GOD, by the way, was able to make a written account of his "commands" without aid of a surrogate writer - TWICE! And my query was why that same GOD, who can read and write although the vast majority of his creation could not, didn't either 1 - write the bible or 2 - just put the information in the psyche of the brain that the GOD created and designed to have free will. And that in itself is a paradox. Why would you give an animal free will then write a code of conduct that strictly outlines it's expected behavior and punishments for failure to comply?

Almost forgot, if the question of GOD existence had been answered 5000 years ago, why would someone feel the need to supply "PROOF" today?

Perhaps you, not knowing my mind, fail to understand that perhaps it isn't a disbelief in GOD but a belief that the "word of GOD" has been adulterated or invented by men in order to reign and tax people.

I've read the bible many times and read the hand of man every time. And the only thing more full of doublespeak and contradiction is a vehement response supplied by a "believer" (who is a Fallen-Man and small minded just like me :wink: ). Whether through misunderstanding or contrivance, you are confusing the doubt of the authenticity of the bible with atheism.

It is an artifice.

We are all born with an innate sense of compassion and right and wrong. Therein lies our "GOD" programming. Simple enough answer to my own question.

We don't need to follow some stringent set of rules and give the "church" the fruits of our labor, our goods, or our money...what would the creator of all need with cash and a bag of onions?? Men want cash, even wrote some junk about love of money being the root of evil to get people to hand it over to them.

My "disingenuous aims" are no less or greater than yours. Would you change your mind after hours of debate? I know the answer to that - NO. Then why should you expect me to? Because you have arbitrarily predetermined that you are right?

Come on, man!


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Wed 05/27/15 10:41 AM

Conrad_73 said:

Jews and Christians widely believe that Moses wrote the first five books in the Bible. Beginning with some medieval rabbis, however, doubts about this claim have been raised. As an obvious starting point, Moses could not have written Deuteronomy 34:5-10, which speaks about his death. But this glaring inconsistency is just the beginning.


Conrad_73:

Of course Moses wrote Deuteronomy 34:5-10. He had been informed by Jehovah at Numbers 20:12 that both he and his brother Aaron would die and not be permitted to enter the Promised Land, because of their behavior in not giving credit to Jehovah for the miracle with the water. This was on the occasion when the Israelites, after being released from slavery to Egypt, turned on Moses and Aaron, accusing them of bringing them out of Egypt to die of thirst. Notice below. Take particular note at what God told Moses and Aaron at verse 12.

Numbers 20:2-4, 9-12
"2 Now there proved to be no water for the assembly, and they began to congregate themselves against Moses and Aaron. 3 And the people went quarreling with Moses and saying: 'If only we had expired when our brothers expired before Jehovah! 4 And why have you men brought Jehovah's congregation into this wilderness for us and our beasts of burden to die here?' 9 So Moses took the rod from before Jehovah, just as he had commanded him. 10 After that Moses and Aaron called the congregation together before the crag, and he proceeded to say to them: 'Hear, now, you rebels! Is it from this crag that we shall bring out water for you?' 11 With that Moses lifted his hand up and struck the crag with his rod twice; and much water began to come out, and the assembly and their beasts of burden began to drink. 12 Later Jehovah said to Moses and Aaron: 'Because you did not show faith in me to sanctify me before the eyes of the sons of Israel, therefore you will not bring this congregation into the land that I shall certainly give them.'"


Sure enough, as prophesied, Aaron died before he reached the Promised Land. And guess what? Moses and Aaron were given advance warning of Aaron's eminent death. Notice below at verse 24:

Numbers 20:23-24
"23 Then Jehovah said this to Moses and Aaron in Mount Hor by the border of the land of Edom: 24 'Aaron will be gathered to his people. He will not enter the land that I will give to the Israelites, because you both rebelled against my order regarding the waters of Meribah. 25 Take Aaron and his son Eleazar and bring them up into Mount Hor. 26 Remove Aaron's garments and clothe Eleazar his son with them, and Aaron will die there."


So not only did Jehovah inform Moses exactly when Aaron would die, he told Moses where Aaron would die: up in Mount Hor.

Similarly, Jehovah informed Moses ahead of time that his death was eminent. This information was given to Moses when he and the other Israelites reached the plains of Moab. Moses was allowed by God to climb a mountain from which he could see the Promised Land, but he did not die immediately after that, based on the wording used in the scriptural account. Notice below where the words are all caps and bolded at verse 5.]


(Deuteronomy 34:4-5, 7)
"{4} And Jehovah went on to say to him [Moses]: 'This is the land about which I have sworn to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, saying, "To your seed I shall give it." I have caused you to see it with your own eyes, as you will not cross over there.' {5} AFTER THAT Moses the servant of Jehovah died there in the land of Moab at the order of Jehovah. 7 And Moses was a hundred and twenty years old at his death. His eye had not grown dim, and his vital strength had not fled."

See where it says "after that"? That expression does not tell us how much time passed before Moses actually died. But it was more than enough time for Moses to write the few lines required to tell the reader that he died and to write it in the past tense--under divine inspiration.


NeutralZone2


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... be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath...." (James 1:19-20)

you need to read that Article again!laugh

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