Topic: Free will or 'Gods' will ?
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Sun 03/30/08 10:51 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 03/30/08 10:52 PM
I think I understand the reason for your decision.

It was a surrender of your life to God.

I understand that process.

But my question about the reason for a blood sacrifice...for sins.. it still does not make sense to me. I don't know how it could make sense to anyone who took the time to think about it.

But then, "sin" is only defined within religious doctrine.

It (sin and evil) are words that mean nothing to a pantheist. But I do understand the surrender process.

It is faith that places you, and your life into the hands of God. For me, it is the faith that places me into the hands of the higher self, and God.

Think of Jesus as your higher self, and you will understand my faith...

JB

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Sun 03/30/08 11:18 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 03/30/08 11:55 PM
Jeannie, regarding the question you have ....

The bible is the best source of info.
I was going to share another article, but parts I did not agree with, so decided not to.


Be Blessed Now ,Jeannie......flowerforyou

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Mon 03/31/08 08:41 AM
If the Bible is the best source of info, will you please tell me what book and/or verse explains it if you know of one. (If not, don't bother, I don't want to waste your time.)

But What I want to know is how today's Christians make sense out of an ancient pagan ritual blood sacrifice.

The blood sacrifice is still done today in some cultures, therefore the story that Jesus's sacrifice ended the need for all sacrifices doesn't hold any water ~~ except for people who believe it.

I guess I will have to go to Iran or some other place that still practice this, and ask them why they sacrifice goats in the ritualistic manner they do. I can't get any answers from Christianity.

I know, I'll look it up on the Internet. That never fails. bigsmile

JB

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Mon 03/31/08 09:16 AM

He is REAL, Jeannie..
He is REAL....sad laugh
He is REAL.....sad laugh
He is REAL sad laugh
He is REALsadlaugh sadlaugh sadlaugh

And I want the whole world to know...

JESUS IS REAL!!!sad laugh sad laugh sad laugh

(those are happy tears of joy )flowerforyou


"MorningSong" ...I think to make it come true you also have to click your heels together three times while chanting that phrase .....well that's how dorothy did it on The Wizard of Oz"

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Mon 03/31/08 09:17 AM
This says it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4PQ30VkBk

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Mon 03/31/08 09:24 AM

This says it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4PQ30VkBk


nah..this one is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uH9_v5yKx4

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Mon 03/31/08 09:43 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 03/31/08 09:45 AM

If the Bible is the best source of info, will you please tell me what book and/or verse explains it if you know of one. (If not, don't bother, I don't want to waste your time.)

But What I want to know is how today's Christians make sense out of an ancient pagan ritual blood sacrifice.

The blood sacrifice is still done today in some cultures, therefore the story that Jesus's sacrifice ended the need for all sacrifices doesn't hold any water ~~ except for people who believe it.

I guess I will have to go to Iran or some other place that still practice this, and ask them why they sacrifice goats in the ritualistic manner they do. I can't get any answers from Christianity.

I know, I'll look it up on the Internet. That never fails. bigsmile

JB


Here is a record of an animal sacrifice done today to a god. The sacrifice is to the god or gods. It is to please the god.

My question is why would a blood sacrafice please God? I don't get it...

http://www.nb.no/baser/morgenstierne/nirmali/nirmali/Imra/Text/sacrifice/sacrifice98.html


This reminds me of voodoo and witchcraft or dark magic which requires the sacrifice of a chicken or something...

Black magic.

JB

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Mon 03/31/08 04:28 PM

My question is why would a blood sacrafice please God? I don't get it...


a blood sacrifice is an acknowledgement by the followers to the God that the message is understood.... that life lives on death

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Mon 03/31/08 04:43 PM


If the Bible is the best source of info, will you please tell me what book and/or verse explains it if you know of one. (If not, don't bother, I don't want to waste your time.)

But What I want to know is how today's Christians make sense out of an ancient pagan ritual blood sacrifice.

The blood sacrifice is still done today in some cultures, therefore the story that Jesus's sacrifice ended the need for all sacrifices doesn't hold any water ~~ except for people who believe it.

I guess I will have to go to Iran or some other place that still practice this, and ask them why they sacrifice goats in the ritualistic manner they do. I can't get any answers from Christianity.

I know, I'll look it up on the Internet. That never fails. bigsmile

JB


Here is a record of an animal sacrifice done today to a god. The sacrifice is to the god or gods. It is to please the god.

My question is why would a blood sacrafice please God? I don't get it...

http://www.nb.no/baser/morgenstierne/nirmali/nirmali/Imra/Text/sacrifice/sacrifice98.html


This reminds me of voodoo and witchcraft or dark magic which requires the sacrifice of a chicken or something...

Black magic.

JB

I guess because the greatest gift any human could give is the willingness to lay down their life for a cause. I guess for an example I will just make something up...My son and I are alone together in my house. A intruder comes in with a gun. He is looking for a hostage to take with him to try and make an escape from the police who are chasing him. I love my son so much that I would rather the intruder take me instead of my son. Even though I know the intruder may kill me I would rather die than risk having my son die.

The wages of sin is death. Sin is going against that which is right in God's eyes. He loves us (his creation) and doesn't want us (our souls) to die or not exist anymore because of our sins. That is why he came down here as Jesus. He died so that those of us who believe it was really him wouldn't have to die for our sins.

God loves us and wants us to live forever with him after our flesh body gives out. He doesn't want us to just die and not exist anymore. He also doesn't want us to have to be around souls who could care less about us or him.

If you are a murderer without remorse after judgement day you will be blotted out or destroyed completely because you are truly an evil soul. If you commit murder and feel remorse and are truly sorry for what you did and want to turn away from that evil and try and save yourself from the final dath or Hell after judgement, then you are much better off than the one who still could care less and would do it again if they could.

I hope that helps...

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Mon 03/31/08 04:46 PM


This says it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4PQ30VkBk


nah..this one is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uH9_v5yKx4
funches,
I like Ozzie

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Mon 03/31/08 05:01 PM
Edited by funches on Mon 03/31/08 05:04 PM



This says it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4PQ30VkBk


nah..this one is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uH9_v5yKx4
funches,
I like Ozzie


I like Ozzie I like the song and I like the name of the song "Perry Mason" ...I watch Perry Mason {the lawyer} tv series everyday [the black and white} version only ..it's some good court room debating on that program

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Mon 03/31/08 05:15 PM
Jeannie...LIFE is in the BLOOD.

Think about it.
Jesus shed his life.....by shedding his blood for us.

The life flow is in the blood.flowerforyou

(Only had a second today to post)

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Mon 03/31/08 05:17 PM




This says it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4PQ30VkBk


nah..this one is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uH9_v5yKx4
funches,
I like Ozzie


I like Ozzie I like the song and I like the name of the song "Perry Mason" ...I watch Perry Mason {the lawyer} tv series everyday [the black and white} version only ..it's some good court room debating on that program
I liked Perry Mason too. You would make an outstanding lawyer...

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Mon 03/31/08 05:21 PM

Jeannie...LIFE is in the BLOOD.

Think about it.
Jesus shed his life.....by shedding his blood for us.

The life flow is in the blood.flowerforyou

(Only had a second today to post)

Yes that is why there is so much reference to the blood. It isn't meant to be all blood and guts or gore but life. The simulation of drinking wine represents the creators blood. Partaking of it represents that you believe he exists and you love him basically.


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Mon 03/31/08 05:21 PM





This says it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4PQ30VkBk


nah..this one is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uH9_v5yKx4
funches,
I like Ozzie


I like Ozzie I like the song and I like the name of the song "Perry Mason" ...I watch Perry Mason {the lawyer} tv series everyday [the black and white} version only ..it's some good court room debating on that program
I liked Perry Mason too. You would make an outstanding lawyer...


..er..and you would make an outstanding "Della Street"

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Mon 03/31/08 05:24 PM
Edited by iamgeorgiagirl on Mon 03/31/08 05:24 PM
laugh laugh laugh
Err, um, thanks!

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Mon 03/31/08 05:26 PM
Jesus liked to party too! It is only a sin if you overindulge.

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Mon 03/31/08 05:28 PM

Jesus liked to party too! It is only a sin if you overindulge.


yep..you never had to worry about running out of wine when Jesus was at the party

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Mon 03/31/08 05:33 PM


Jesus liked to party too! It is only a sin if you overindulge.


yep..you never had to worry about running out of wine when Jesus was at the party
laugh laugh laugh

The first example of sacrifice in the Bible is found in the account of Cain and Abel. When Cain and Abel, the first two sons of Adam and Eve, presented their sacrifices before the Lord Abel's sacrifice was accepted while Cain's was rejected.
And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord. Abel also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell (Genesis 4:4,5).

Why did God accept the sacrifice of Abel and reject the sacrifice of Cain?


Abel's offering was accepted while Cain's was rejected. Though Cain's offering was rejected there is no reason given as to why.
A possible reason for the rejection of Cain's offering is the fruit that he brought was not the best the land had produced. It is emphasized that Abel brought the first fruits of his flock—the best that he had. Cain, on the other hand, merely brought ordinary fruit to the Lord—possibly of a poor quality. Therefore the difference between the two offerings is that Abel brought the best of what he had while Cain did not make an effort to bring his best to the Lord. Cain's offering showed indifference or carelessness. The heart attitude of Cain was sinful and this led to his bringing an inferior offering. Cain did not offer his best to the Lord because there was a problem with sin in his life. The Bible says, The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination (Proverbs 21:27).


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Mon 03/31/08 05:45 PM
here is my theory:

I think the blood offering was accepted because the ancient gods of were the dragon race. They lived on blood and flesh. They were the reptilian draconian race from Orion, the ones who drink blood and eat human flesh.

Food is for these creatures in the form of fruit was not good enough. They wanted blood.

Have you ever read David Icke? That will chill you to the bone.

Have you ever seen old master's pictures that show reptilian creatures tearing into their victims throats and flesh, drinking their blood?

eewww ...

I think the gods were the dragon race and they demanded blood sacrifices... It is the only thing that actually makes any sense.