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I used to have the same views you do. Man! I am glad that changed. Going around angry all the time trying to convince the world that you are enlightened and they are stupid. Funny.Have you gone out to speak against ALL religions or just Christianity? How do you sleep at night with so much hatred? geez "Zapchaser" are you auditioning for Dr. Phil's job? ...just because I don't watch the telelvision series "Ghost Hunters" don't mean I'm angry ..it's just that all they do on the program is scream in the dark but they never find any ghost ... |
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I used to have the same views you do. Man! I am glad that changed. Going around angry all the time trying to convince the world that you are enlightened and they are stupid. Funny.Have you gone out to speak against ALL religions or just Christianity? How do you sleep at night with so much hatred? geez "Zapchaser" are you auditioning for Dr. Phil's job? ...just because I don't watch the telelvision series "Ghost Hunters" don't mean I'm angry ..it's just that all they do on the program is scream in the dark but they never find any ghost ... I have never seen that. I don't have a lot of time to sit in front of the tube. Sometimes I wish I did.  
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I used to have the same views you do. Man! I am glad that changed. Going around angry all the time trying to convince the world that you are enlightened and they are stupid. Funny.Have you gone out to speak against ALL religions or just Christianity? How do you sleep at night with so much hatred? geez "Zapchaser" are you auditioning for Dr. Phil's job? ...just because I don't watch the telelvision series "Ghost Hunters" don't mean I'm angry ..it's just that all they do on the program is scream in the dark but they never find any ghost ... I have never seen that. I don't have a lot of time to sit in front of the tube. Sometimes I wish I did.
geez..that what DVR's are for...simply record the program and fast forward that sucker |
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Yes, Christianity and many religions do promote the fear of God as incentive for moral living. Atheists (albeit more than just atheists) promote the fear of science (i.e disasters just waiting to happen) as incentive for moral living. I don't see much difference
This is the most uninformed personal opinion I’ve ever heard. All atheists are not scientist and all scientists are not atheists. Trying to make a link between atheism and science is absurd. Christianity has a problem with science because scientific observations conflict with the biblical story. But science wasn’t out to conflict with anything. Science is out to search for truth. And the truth is that intellectual observations of the universe we live in are in direct contradiction with the Biblical stories. But the answers should be simple. How many people would deny that God wrote the universe? God’s supposed to be the creator of the universe! So why then does anyone still believe that an ancient book that was clearly written by men and conflicts with what the universe actually reveals to be true. Let’s not forget, the biblical authors thought that God created heaven and earth and that the earth was the focus of creation. We know now that those authors had no clue whatsoever. Not only is the earth not at the center of anything, but there are over 70 sextillion other stars just in the observable part of the universe. Clearly the authors of the Bible had no clue what the real world was like. It obviously isn’t the word of the creator of this universe. The creator of this universe wouldn’t have been ignorant of his own creation. 
Uninformed personal opinion? lol! I love opinionated people! Seriously, I do! It's enlightening to know that all atheists are not scientists. And likewise, not all scientists are atheists! Even the great astro-physicist Stephen Hawking, when asked what began his "pea instantum" (i.e trigger to the "Big Bang")theory, Hawking retorted with a one word response; "God". Don't assume what I think or what anyone else thinks. Try not to read looking for things that are not there. As a well versed amatuer Biblical archaeologist, science does not always contradict what is found in the Bible, often times it confirms what is written there. There are a host of ways to interpret the Bible. On one end of the spectrum there is the fundamentalist view (the most extreme), which interprets the Bible as the written word of God. On the other end of the spectrum, the Bible is a collection of ancient tales and folklore. You can criticize the Bible, however pay attentoion to which end of the criticism you fall on. In you writing, you critcize the fundamentalist view which makes your arguement vulnerable to those, like myself, who are somewhere in the center of the spectrum. Is Genesis exact? Oh please! That is my reaction! Was everything created in 7 days? The story of Genesis was an "oral tradition" carried on for generations. Do you really think that in 5000 BCE, people had pens and papers to write it all down? It was all an oral history carried forward. Being such, the story was an explanatation of creation for a much simpler time. Does the Genesis story contradict our modern view of the universe through science? It's all in how one interprets Genesis. Everything created in seven days? Please explain to me what a "day" was 5000-7000 years ago, if you will? Is the word "day" interpreted correctly? If so, how do ytou know? Prove that to me, please. Perhaps a "day" meant one revoltion of our solar system around our swirling galaxy. In that case a "day" might be in the neighborhod of several hundred million years. You stated that you know what Biblical authors thought and you also know what they had no clue to. Enlighten this ignorant man with your insight into their ancient minds? Please do! The answsers are simple right? I'll be more than happy to publish your response in an archaeological forum. We could use a few new breakthroughs! lol! Several ancient culures had similar stories to those found in the Bible. The "creation", "Adam and Eve", the "great flood" are examples of them. Before you take what is in the Bible to task, pretend to put yourself into that ancient time and pretend to understand ancient perceptions. I say "pretend" because that is as close as you're going to get. What is in the Bible began as an oral tradition that was put into writing thousands of years later. Understand that no one can be certain what many thing meant thousands in the terms used thousands of years ago. To assume what they meant is poor scholarship. Be careful not to underestimate how intelligent ancient peoples were. I'm sure many of them were far more intelligent than many living people of today. Finally, what do you think the perceptions will be 5,000 years from now of your view of the universe, given the "theories" of our day? Just another "uninformed personal opinion"! 
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What is most important is that we respect one another's beliefs, whatever thay may be, and not create anger or hate by using one's own beliefs to belittle anothers. Hypocrites are with us in every facet of life and they always will be. "Think none harm, do none harm."
"BobbyJ" see that is the myth of belief ..it's nice to say that everyone is entitle to their own beliefs but that only applies if they keep the belief to theirself ... one simple belief left unchecked can destroy the world.. so it's up to everyone to challenge any belief once someone or something or some enity uttered it write it or turned that belief into an action Nonetheless it is the lack of respect for other beliefs that create chaos in the world. "One simple belief left unchecked can destroy the world"? Beliefs are dangerous aren't they! So who, and with what beliefs, shall do this "checking"? Who is "everyone"? After all "everyone" is but a huge population of a variety of beliefs! What shall they check!?
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Nonetheless it is the lack of respect for other beliefs that create chaos in the world. how can you have a lack of respect for a belief if the belief is kept to oneself ...so no....it's the beliefs themselves that cause chaos in the world .. "One simple belief left unchecked can destroy the world"? Beliefs are dangerous aren't they! only the ones that are not kept to oneself by attempting to turn it into an action So who, and with what beliefs, shall do this "checking"? Who is "everyone"? After all "everyone" is but a huge population of a variety of beliefs! What shall they check!?
"BobbyJ" ..I think I said it quite clear...everyone means anymore and all beliefs mean any beliefs that is not kept to oneself |
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"BobbyJ" ..I think I said it quite clear...everyone means anymore and all beliefs mean any beliefs that is not kept to oneself And therein is the key. When people act out attempting to force or impose their beliefs upon others. Yep, I agree, that's when those imposing people do need to be held in check by all. I apologize. I wasn't clear on what you were saying. Yep, I'm a little slow to figure things out sometimes! I remember once being taught about what the limitations are of freedom and individual rights. I learned that one person's freedom and rights end where another person's freedom and rights begin. |
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I'm a christian and very sadly though I have to agree with that quote.
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Atheism, as a philosophical view, is the position that either affirms the nonexistence of gods or rejects theism. When defined more broadly, atheism is the absence of belief in deities, alternatively called nontheism. Although atheism is often equated with irreligion, some religious philosophies, such as secular theology and some varieties of Buddhism such as Theravada, either do not include belief in a personal god as a tenet of the religion, or actively teach nontheism.
The term atheism originated as a pejorative epithet applied to any person or belief in conflict with established religion. With the spread of freethought, scientific skepticism, and criticism of religion, the term began to gather a more specific meaning and has been increasingly used as a self-description by atheists. Ok, clearly a cut n past job, however I think the above speaks to the posters original tread...if one follows this definition, then it is possible to have spiritual beliefs while rejecting dogmatic religious doctrine...I for one fall into this category...I dont need to believe in god...and what I believe in is of my own concern and doesnt need to be shared with anyone else..... |
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Atheism, as a philosophical view, is the position that either affirms the nonexistence of gods or rejects theism. When defined more broadly, atheism is the absence of belief in deities, alternatively called nontheism. Although atheism is often equated with irreligion, some religious philosophies, such as secular theology and some varieties of Buddhism such as Theravada, either do not include belief in a personal god as a tenet of the religion, or actively teach nontheism. The term atheism originated as a pejorative epithet applied to any person or belief in conflict with established religion. With the spread of freethought, scientific skepticism, and criticism of religion, the term began to gather a more specific meaning and has been increasingly used as a self-description by atheists. Ok, clearly a cut n past job, however I think the above speaks to the posters original tread...if one follows this definition, then it is possible to have spiritual beliefs while rejecting dogmatic religious doctrine...I for one fall into this category...I dont need to believe in god...and what I believe in is of my own concern and doesnt need to be shared with anyone else..... And that is okay! Hopefully no one here will try to cram their beliefs down your throat because they feel it is their duty to show you the error of your ways. Name withheld to protect the guilty. 
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Atheism, as a philosophical view, is the position that either affirms the nonexistence of gods or rejects theism. When defined more broadly, atheism is the absence of belief in deities, alternatively called nontheism. Although atheism is often equated with irreligion, some religious philosophies, such as secular theology and some varieties of Buddhism such as Theravada, either do not include belief in a personal god as a tenet of the religion, or actively teach nontheism. The term atheism originated as a pejorative epithet applied to any person or belief in conflict with established religion. With the spread of freethought, scientific skepticism, and criticism of religion, the term began to gather a more specific meaning and has been increasingly used as a self-description by atheists. Ok, clearly a cut n past job, however I think the above speaks to the posters original tread...if one follows this definition, then it is possible to have spiritual beliefs while rejecting dogmatic religious doctrine...I for one fall into this category...I dont need to believe in god...and what I believe in is of my own concern and doesnt need to be shared with anyone else..... And that is okay! Hopefully no one here will try to cram their beliefs down your throat because they feel it is their duty to show you the error of your ways. Name withheld to protect the guilty.
I wish people would practice what they preach... 
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Edited by
funches
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Thu 03/27/08 03:58 PM
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And therein is the key. When people act out attempting to force or impose their beliefs upon others. Yep, I agree, that's when those imposing people do need to be held in check by all. I apologize. I wasn't clear on what you were saying. Yep, I'm a little slow to figure things out sometimes! I remember once being taught about what the limitations are of freedom and individual rights. I learned that one person's freedom and rights end where another person's freedom and rights begin. once someone simply whisper their belief or write it down or use sign language or morse code or whatever around others....they at that point in time is forcing their belief upon another |
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Why does there have to be blame, and defense, and criticism? If it is a personal expression of what sits well in oneself, then it is like trying to critise the colour of a person's eyes, or nasal hair, or the shape of their ears... I don't understand any of it... All these labels, and classes, and boxes, and positions , stances....frankly, who really gives a toss. Just get on with it. Whatever it is, or isn't. We are not separate....no matter how hard we try.
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Atheism, as a philosophical view, is the position that either affirms the nonexistence of gods or rejects theism. When defined more broadly, atheism is the absence of belief in deities, alternatively called nontheism. Although atheism is often equated with irreligion, some religious philosophies, such as secular theology and some varieties of Buddhism such as Theravada, either do not include belief in a personal god as a tenet of the religion, or actively teach nontheism. The term atheism originated as a pejorative epithet applied to any person or belief in conflict with established religion. With the spread of freethought, scientific skepticism, and criticism of religion, the term began to gather a more specific meaning and has been increasingly used as a self-description by atheists. Ok, clearly a cut n past job, however I think the above speaks to the posters original tread...if one follows this definition, then it is possible to have spiritual beliefs while rejecting dogmatic religious doctrine...I for one fall into this category...I dont need to believe in god...and what I believe in is of my own concern and doesnt need to be shared with anyone else..... And that is okay! Hopefully no one here will try to cram their beliefs down your throat because they feel it is their duty to show you the error of your ways. Name withheld to protect the guilty.
I wish people would practice what they preach...
All we can do is try.
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I used to have the same views you do. Man! I am glad that changed. Going around angry all the time trying to convince the world that you are enlightened and they are stupid. Funny.Have you gone out to speak against ALL religions or just Christianity? How do you sleep at night with so much hatred? geez "Zapchaser" are you auditioning for Dr. Phil's job? ...just because I don't watch the telelvision series "Ghost Hunters" don't mean I'm angry ..it's just that all they do on the program is scream in the dark but they never find any ghost ... I have never seen that. I don't have a lot of time to sit in front of the tube. Sometimes I wish I did.
geez..that what DVR's are for...simply record the program and fast forward that sucker You must have missed the "don't have time" part. |
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Why does there have to be blame, and defense, and criticism? If it is a personal expression of what sits well in oneself, then it is like trying to critise the colour of a person's eyes, or nasal hair, or the shape of their ears... I don't understand any of it... All these labels, and classes, and boxes, and positions , stances....frankly, who really gives a toss. Just get on with it. Whatever it is, or isn't. We are not separate....no matter how hard we try.
I'm in! I'll take two of those to go! 
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I used to have the same views you do. Man! I am glad that changed. Going around angry all the time trying to convince the world that you are enlightened and they are stupid. Funny.Have you gone out to speak against ALL religions or just Christianity? How do you sleep at night with so much hatred? geez "Zapchaser" are you auditioning for Dr. Phil's job? ...just because I don't watch the telelvision series "Ghost Hunters" don't mean I'm angry ..it's just that all they do on the program is scream in the dark but they never find any ghost ... I have never seen that. I don't have a lot of time to sit in front of the tube. Sometimes I wish I did.
geez..that what DVR's are for...simply record the program and fast forward that sucker You must have missed the "don't have time" part. Geez "Zapchaser" what are you frozen in a cryo-tank or something..you don't have time but you have time to post on this site ..you have time to take a dump ..you can watch it on the dumpster instead of reading the newpaper...maybe you should rephase it and say you don't have time to watch "that program" because you don't want to |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 03/27/08 05:20 PM
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Hypocracy? That's nothing new and it's effects on others is nothing new. Jesus admonished the Pharisees for their hypocracy and that was near two thousand years ago. You'll find hypocracy in every religion on earth, even the atheist "religion".
Absolutley you will. I'm not deneying that. It is just irritating as hell to have at one point in time someone beating me over the head with religion the turning around and stealing astuff from wal-mart or something... A new born baby christian usually is very zealous about his new found faith, Lax..but that doesn't mean he won't still poo poo in his spiritual diapers, Lax. In other words,just because a Christian is born again, doesn't mean he is automatically fully mature and grown up yet in the faith..... his mind still needs to be renewed fully with the word of God ....and that takes time......hence the reason you might still see a christian doing stuff in his old fleshly nature. |
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I used to have the same views you do. Man! I am glad that changed. Going around angry all the time trying to convince the world that you are enlightened and they are stupid. Funny.Have you gone out to speak against ALL religions or just Christianity? How do you sleep at night with so much hatred? geez "Zapchaser" are you auditioning for Dr. Phil's job? ...just because I don't watch the telelvision series "Ghost Hunters" don't mean I'm angry ..it's just that all they do on the program is scream in the dark but they never find any ghost ... I have never seen that. I don't have a lot of time to sit in front of the tube. Sometimes I wish I did.
geez..that what DVR's are for...simply record the program and fast forward that sucker You must have missed the "don't have time" part. Geez "Zapchaser" what are you frozen in a cryo-tank or something..you don't have time but you have time to post on this site ..you have time to take a dump ..you can watch it on the dumpster instead of reading the newpaper...maybe you should rephase it and say you don't have time to watch "that program" because you don't want to Fair enough. I have time to catch the news and maybe fall asleep during the Tonight Show. Ever run a business? I just got home. Earlier I was at my desk switching back and forth from estimating and checking the forums. My priorities aren't in staring at the boob tube but if Gina is home I will spend some time watching it with her. Aside from that I would rather be doing other things. I enjoy building furniture and maybe someday when there is time........
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