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Topic: Bush's Legacy
Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Thu 03/27/08 08:19 AM
Right, that's what I thought. You can't even respond to me, probably because you just don't want to, so you repeat yourself instead. Move along. you've gone off on your own little tangent without answering anything i've said.. what is it that you want to know? if the constitution should be thrown out if majority wants? yes, if that's what the majority of this nation desires. you're using little logic and a whooooole bunch of hostility, bud. no law passed should violate the constitution. so again, no minority should be opressed. if they are, then that is a clear violation. but hey, you wanna move on without adressing my issues. go for it I shall have to correct you. The original constitution never said anything about minorities to my knowledge. That wasn't really on their minds back then. Now, I don't think a minority should be oppressed, but I don't think they should be given special advantages either. Laws requiring colleges to have so many people of each race. I personally think that race shouldn't matter and it should be the best qualified. The day that prejudice and discrimination stops happening in this country is the day they will stop doing this in institutions. We are a long way off yet.

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Thu 03/27/08 08:21 AM Edited by Lindyy on Thu 03/27/08 08:27 AM
I feel that we need people to quit voting for the person that their church tells them to vote for and take the time to study the candidate's platforms and make their best educated decision based on that information. Churches can't tell people who to vote for, else they lose their tax exemption status. But I agree with you. It goes beyond churches though, the worst is the Bolshevik mentality the majority of Americans have when it comes to Republicans and Democrats, who strangely enough, don't disagree on much in the abstract!! Churches do tell how people to vote. I have witnessed a Pastor telling the church how to vote with regards to stem cell research. I was shocked. Winx: A clergyman being pro or anti stem cell research is NOT endorsing a particular person. Clergy are allowed to speak out about subjects, i.e., embryo stem cell research, which is basically not in compliance with Christian morals and values of life. Lindyy

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 03/27/08 08:29 AM
Actually, stem cell is ok as long as it doesn't involve killing a fetus. For example, they can get stem cells from the umbilical cord.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 03/27/08 08:46 AM Edited by Winx on Thu 03/27/08 08:46 AM
When my child was born, I donated the umbilical cord.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 03/27/08 08:48 AM
I feel that we need people to quit voting for the person that their church tells them to vote for and take the time to study the candidate's platforms and make their best educated decision based on that information. Churches can't tell people who to vote for, else they lose their tax exemption status. But I agree with you. It goes beyond churches though, the worst is the Bolshevik mentality the majority of Americans have when it comes to Republicans and Democrats, who strangely enough, don't disagree on much in the abstract!! Churches do tell how people to vote. I have witnessed a Pastor telling the church how to vote with regards to stem cell research. I was shocked. Winx: A clergyman being pro or anti stem cell research is NOT endorsing a particular person. Clergy are allowed to speak out about subjects, i.e., embryo stem cell research, which is basically not in compliance with Christian morals and values of life. Lindyy It is still a voting issue. I feel that the Church (and I do attend) should not be involved in any voting issues.

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Thu 03/27/08 09:00 AM
It is still a voting issue. I feel that the Church (and I do attend) should not be involved in any voting issues. Winx: A voting issue is of no relevance in regard to tax exemption status. Clergy simply are not allowed to ENDORSE, ENDORSE, ENDORSE, any candidate. People go to church, synogogue for guidance from the Lord. You are now hinging on DENIAL of 'freedom of speech' and 'freedom of religion' two issues in the First Amendment. Perhaps your adamant view against clergy speaking out on issues has to do with the Evangelicals supporting pro-life, conservative issues, and that they stormed the last 2 elections with votes for President Bush? I am one of those Evangelicals. You have NO RIGHT in telling people what to use to base their vote on. A little bit dictatorial, I would say. Lindyy

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 03/27/08 09:03 AM
I did not tell anybody what to do. I said that I FEEL...

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Thu 03/27/08 09:11 AM
Winx: Well, thankfully, our founding forefathers and the Constitution and its Amendments feel differently than you. Lindyy

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 03/27/08 09:16 AM
Hmm....wasn't there something about church and state being separate?

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Thu 03/27/08 09:57 AM
Hmm....wasn't there something about church and state being separate? WINX: Do you even know anything about that phrase, that, FYI it is NOT in the Constitution or any of the Amendments? It was simply stated in a letter by Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist church! And the liberals and ACLU have jumped on it and taken it totally out of context? Check out 'ACLJ.org' - American Center For Law and Justice, founded by Jay Sekulow. He is about the TOP attorney in the US pleading cases before the U.S. Supreme court on constitutional and civil rights. Plus, the other lower courts. Go see the cases that he has won and what he has to say about the so-called 'separation of church and state.' AGAIN, you are denying 'freedom of speech' and 'freedom of religion'. Check the facts before you post. Lindyy

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Thu 03/27/08 10:02 AM
As for the separation of church and state there are many different opinions but if you consider that the founders came from a monopoly of religion were non believers were prosecuted to death, they meant it when they wanted the church to not have control of any kind in the government. Just review the history and you will know that separation of church and state is what is meant.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 03/27/08 10:08 AM
For Lindyy: http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/86243

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Thu 03/27/08 10:16 AM
As for the separation of church and state there are many different opinions but if you consider that the founders came from a monopoly of religion were non believers were prosecuted to death, they meant it when they wanted the church to not have control of any kind in the government. Just review the history and you will know that separation of church and state is what is meant. Yes. The GOVERNMENT IS NOT TO CONTROL RELIGION, AND RELIGION IS NOT TO CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT. Keyword: CONTROL It says nothing about God being taken out of everything. It says nothing about crucial political moral and political civil issues being discussed from the pulpit or within a congregation. IT DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THEIR FAITH IN GOD TO DIRECT THEM ON HOW TO VOTE! NONE, ZILCH!! Lindyy

toastedoranges Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 11042	Thu 03/27/08 11:14 AM
Toasted: What is with the picture of Jerry Falwell? I KNOW you cannot be a follower of his. (He has passed away, you do know that, do you not?) Lindyy it humors me

leahmarie Joined Fri 12/28/07 Posts: 1482	Thu 03/27/08 11:21 AM
President Bush will leave one important legacy. Not the high gas prices or the blunder in Iraq. His mismanagement of this country has galvanized voters to vote. People who have never considered voting important, which in my eyes is ridiculous, are getting motivated to vote this election. Arizona is almost at 80 percent voters ready to vote this election. Elsewhere the registrations are up also. For once the system may work like it is supposed to work, for the people by the people You are absolutely right, except that you put a "mis" in front of "mismanagement." You mean "management." Oh, yes the voters are galvanized to vote Republican, John McCain. After all, who in the world wants to vote for Hillary or Obama?! Hillary and her "mistakes" about the sniper fire. And Obama and his not knowing about Rev. Wright's anti-American rants. Between the two of them, they will implode the Democratic Parlty what with the way they are tearing each other apart. And there is so much dirty laundry being aired by both of them. It is the Democratic debacle that will put John McCain in the White House. Oh yes, the voters are galvanized against the Democratics and for the Republicans. There are many who will vote dem, I am hoping more than the disillusioned bunch who will vote for McCain. Actually there might not be a Democratic Party considering the way Obama and Hillary are imploding it. Oh yes, many will vote Republican including the Independents who have become disillusioned with Hillary and Obama. Therefore, McCain will be our next president.

leahmarie Joined Fri 12/28/07 Posts: 1482	Thu 03/27/08 11:23 AM Edited by leahmarie on Thu 03/27/08 11:32 AM
Toasted: What is with the picture of Jerry Falwell? I KNOW you cannot be a follower of his. (He has passed away, you do know that, do you not?) Lindyy it humors me It has to do with Tinky Winky. mnhiker will get the humor.

toastedoranges Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 11042	Thu 03/27/08 11:25 AM
It has to do with Twinky Winky. mnhiker will get the humor. no..it's not the gay teletubby. it's what he's said as a whole and his persona. also, i find it very funny speaking as i normaly do with his picture up. just last night i was telling people they'd go to hell for anal sex

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Thu 03/27/08 11:29 AM
Toasted: So very immature of an action. Then again, it does not surprise me, your attitude. Lindyy

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 03/27/08 11:30 AM
President Bush will leave one important legacy. Not the high gas prices or the blunder in Iraq. His mismanagement of this country has galvanized voters to vote. People who have never considered voting important, which in my eyes is ridiculous, are getting motivated to vote this election. Arizona is almost at 80 percent voters ready to vote this election. Elsewhere the registrations are up also. For once the system may work like it is supposed to work, for the people by the people You are absolutely right, except that you put a "mis" in front of "mismanagement." You mean "management." Oh, yes the voters are galvanized to vote Republican, John McCain. After all, who in the world wants to vote for Hillary or Obama?! Hillary and her "mistakes" about the sniper fire. And Obama and his not knowing about Rev. Wright's anti-American rants. Between the two of them, they will implode the Democratic Parlty what with the way they are tearing each other apart. And there is so much dirty laundry being aired by both of them. It is the Democratic debacle that will put John McCain in the White House. Oh yes, the voters are galvanized against the Democratics and for the Republicans. There are many who will vote dem, I am hoping more than the disillusioned bunch who will vote for McCain. Actually there might not be a Democratic Party considering the way Obama and Hillary are imploding it. Oh yes, many will vote Republican including the Independents who have become disillusioned with Hillary and Obama. Therefore, McCain will be our next president. I know many people that have become so disillusioned with the last four years, that they would rather vote for Hillary or Obama, myself included.

toastedoranges Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 11042	Thu 03/27/08 11:30 AM
Toasted: So very immature of an action. Then again, it does not surprise me, your attitude. Lindyy oh lighten up and come down off your high horse, it's just the internet