even a stay at home mom can have ambitions, though - that is the important thing. Not being there so much as getting there. I have no beef with you, Rob.

considering the most common thing for couples to bicker about (besides fidelity) is over money issues... it doesn't seem like a bad thing to me to want someone who stands independently so that when they come together the other one isn't there because they need the other financially... just solely by choice of loving that person without having to worry about finances at all...

I have no beef with you either chick, and I get what you are arguing. We are not so different on this after a few banters back and forth. We have gotten down to the basics, and I would ahve to say that we could happily co exist, lol

but his posts made it clear that love was secondary to the professional status. I have no beef with what you are saying, but he is indifferent to the love aspect so much as the staus.

Rich people don't stay rich by giving it all away...

Status is a very important thing in some cultures, and I don't see anything wrong with wanting to be with someone who is ambitious and strong-willed enough to go after what they want and succeed. It's a dating preference such as someone wanting someone short, petite, blonde-haired, and funny. We all word things in our own way. Social status can be a big turn-on for lots of people.

Yes, and some people will mail order a bride, and ship her over from another country. Others have arranged marriages. I simply stated my points on the subject, I am not asking you to agree, or disagree. Trying to make one ponder their dcisions aren't always a bad thing. I have changed my mind a few times one I re-evaluated my position after getting more information, or input from other sources. Maybe I feel different because I have not always been wealthy, but rather struggled, and clawed my way to where I am now. I also do not worship the almighty dollar so much that I would be scared to death of someone taking it from me. Money isn't everything, and I would never let it stand in my way for happiness. I would trade everything I have for my true love if that is what it ame to

To each their own.

I have a profession.. Sometimes I do well economically at it.. sometimes not so well. Whether I am financially successful or not is just one aspect of who and what I am.
Honestly? I have made very good money along the way. More then I knew what to do with at the age I was in. There was a cost though. There always is.

At this point in my life? I'd rather have more freedom then money. That is why I have been working for myself for the last decade. That has had a cost too.. But one I was more willing to pay, then to dive back into the Corporate jungle I spent the majority of my youth in.

I would have missed out on a lot of living if I was trying to build my career in that environment. There is no way I would have gotten away with taking 4 months a year off for a few years to go explore Yosemite park on horseback... Travel... Go for extended walks in the wilderness with nothing I could not carry on my back. In fact, I doubt I could have even chose to take a week off a few months ago at the drop of a hat.. To go be with Lilith.

Many might critisize my chosen lifestyle. That is fine with me.. If anything, I know that we are on two different planes of existance.

Again. To each their own.

Lord knows I'm not one who cares about money, but it sure does help you get by easier in the world. Lots of people claw their way up, some are just quieter about it than others. Hell, I'll just be happy if I can find someone I'm attracted to that thinks I'm worth hanging onto till I die.

That is my point chica, and I sincerely hope that you find it. I do want to apologize for trying to make light in your thread the other day, it was a bad choice, and I am sorry.

JISTME-
Not that it probably means anything to you, but I have a lot of respect for you after reading that post. You sound like a guy who has his priorities straight

Thanks. Just some hard lessons along the way that had me re-evaluate what is important to me.
It looks like it might be up for re-evaluation again. Nothing seems to stay static in this life. At least it doesn't in mine.

Having hard and fast rules for myself and those around me? Has never really worked.

I keep wondering where all the other millionaires are as well!!!

Thanks, it's all good.. all the best to you, too

well now let me know how that works for u

I work in a glass fabrication factory. i drive a forklift, and i make 28,000 a year. and yeah, i have no college education, limited high school education (tho i have a GED), but i love where i am and what i do. i would much rather come home at the end of a twelve hour day stinking and sweating and completely exhausted than sit at a desk. but that's just me. so maybe this counts as that whole passion thing being that i actually do love my job? even tho all it took to get it was a 5 minute application...but does this count as a "professional" or just someone who makes a professional's life easier.

I have had several close friends and acquaintances pass on in my life. When conversing with them before they died, with them knowing that their time was soon to end, I never heard one of them talk about how they wished they had had more status or more money or had spent more time at work. Every one expressed regrets that they had not spent more time with the ones they loved, had not spent more time enjoying life, and had not built more friendships. After all, you cannot take any thing with you except the memories of what you did, and the ppl who show up at your deathbed/funeral don't do it because of your status or your wealth, but because they respected and/or loved you. jmao

true, but professional people can spend time with their loved ones too. Even tax accountants can prioritize.

Being familiar with the Arts and the imagination seems to be at odds with your post..... one should be able to bond even through
difference in opinion caused by subjective matters...

think outside of the box or palette as it were...

I'm new...

boo boo bee dooo

I like your screen name.

okay.
lets set the record straight. I was once all passion as a young man fresh out of college. I first married a young lady in high school. I tried sending her to college and she dropped all the classes and joined a choir. i next married a blue collar and was with her over 20 years. she often complained that she wanted a larger home. in the meantime she ran up thousands of dollars in credit cards she can hardly pay living above her means. at the rip old age of 51 i can no longer afford to look for just love. i want love as much as anyone. ihope to find both love and a professional that i can enjoy the latter part of life left in the security that can come from having a professional skill. is that too much to ask for and be derrided about? give me a break. life is hard enough learning the hard way of doing things. i can only hope for a secure future.