symbelmyne.......


Actually, there is a Utopia. It is one of the largest free interactive online games in the world. Before I got my pop-up ad blocker, I remember seeing an advertisement for it. I don't know anything else about it.

on topic... something else that could be done with the money.. repairing american roads, the ones around here are crap. turn new orleans into a sugar cane producing state, since it's worthless as an actual living location and corn ethanol is just plain dumb. improve the fda. improve our railway system, lessen truck usage and increase public use of trains...

I cant help but wonder if universal healthcare would cost 3 trillion or more? I would think it would serve americas interests far better than that godforsaken war in Iraq

madman..... why not find something you can copy/paste to get the answer.

3T?
its cheaper than building new cities here when they dissolve more of them. TYPICAL COMMIE / LIBERAL statement that one.
Heres how it works........
STEP 1 OH MY GOD look at how much$$.
STEP 2 WHAT COULD JUSTIFY THAT?????
STEP 3 Lie and answer nothing could which is not true.









If we could pay 3T to have avoided 9/11, would it be worth it?

I like this idea.

Universal healthcare actually has more negative aspects to it then positive, though I think healthcare could at least be made more available and cheaper.

Studies: Iraq Costs US $12B Per Month
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By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 10, 2008
Filed at 6:54 a.m. ET

The flow of blood may be ebbing, but the flood of money into the Iraq war is steadily rising, new analyses show. In 2008, its sixth year, the war will cost approximately $12 billion a month, triple the ''burn'' rate of its earliest years, Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph E. Stiglitz and co-author Linda J. Bilmes report in a new book.

Beyond 2008, working with ''best-case'' and ''realistic-moderate'' scenarios, they project the Iraq and Afghan wars, including long-term U.S. military occupations of those countries, will cost the U.S. budget between $1.7 trillion and $2.7 trillion -- or more -- by 2017.

Interest on money borrowed to pay those costs could alone add $816 billion to that bottom line, they say.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has done its own projections and comes in lower, forecasting a cumulative cost by 2017 of $1.2 trillion to $1.7 trillion for the two wars, with Iraq generally accounting for three-quarters of the costs.

Variations in such estimates stem from the sliding scales of assumptions, scenarios and budget items that are counted. But whatever the estimate, the cost will be huge, the auditors of the Government Accountability Office say.

In a Jan. 30 report to Congress, the GAO observed that the U.S. will be committing ''significant'' future resources to the wars, ''requiring decision makers to consider difficult trade-offs as the nation faces an increasing long-range fiscal challenge.''

These numbers don't include the war's cost to the rest of the world. In Iraq itself, the 2003 U.S.-led invasion -- with its devastating air bombardments -- and the looting and arson that followed, severely damaged electricity and other utilities, the oil industry, countless factories, hospitals, schools and other underpinnings of an economy.

No one has tried to calculate the economic damage done to Iraq, said spokesman Niels Buenemann of the International Monetary Fund, which closely tracks national economies. But millions of Iraqis have been left without jobs, and hundreds of thousands of professionals, managers and other middle-class citizens have fled the country.

In their book, ''The Three Trillion Dollar War,'' Stiglitz, of Columbia University, and Bilmes, of Harvard, report the two wars will have cost the U.S. budget $845 billion in 2007 dollars by next Sept. 30, end of fiscal year 2008, assuming Congress fully funds Bush administration requests. That counts not just military operations, but embassy costs, reconstruction and other war-related expenses.

That total far surpasses the $670 billion in 2007 dollars the Congressional Research Service says was the U.S. price tag for the 12-year Vietnam War.

Although American military and Iraqi civilian casualties have declined in recent months, the rate of spending has shot up. A fully funded 2008 war budget will be 155 percent higher than 2004's, the CBO reports.

The reasons are numerous: the ''surge'' of additional U.S. units into Iraq; rising fuel costs; fattened bonuses to attract re-enlistments; and particularly the need to ''reset,'' that is, repair or replace worn-out, destroyed or damaged military equipment. Almost $17 billion is appropriated this year for advanced armored vehicles to protect troops against roadside bombs.

Looking ahead, both the CBO and Stiglitz-Bilmes construct two scenarios, one in which U.S. troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan drop sharply and early -- to 30,000 by late 2009 for the CBO, and to 55,000 by 2012 for Stiglitz-Bilmes -- and a second in which the drawdown is more gradual.

Significantly, the two studies view different time frames, the CBO calculating possible costs met in the next 10 years, while Stiglitz and Bilmes also include costs incurred during that period but paid for later, such as equipment replaced in post-2017 budgets.

This factor figures most in the category of veterans' medical care and disability payments, where the CBO foresees $9 billion to $13 billion in costs by 2017. Stiglitz and Bilmes, meanwhile, project $422 billion to $717 billion in costs over the lifetime of soldiers who by 2017 are wounded or otherwise mentally or physically disabled by the wars.

''The CBO is only looking 10 years out on everything,'' Bilmes noted in an interview.

For its part, a CBO critique suggested that Bilmes and Stiglitz might be overstating the expense of treating veterans' brain injuries, a costly category.

The two economists say their calculations are conservative, because they don't encompass many ''hidden'' items in the U.S. budget. Their basic projections also exclude the potentially huge debt-service cost -- on which CBO approximately agrees -- and the cost to the U.S. economy of global oil prices that have quadrupled since 2003, an increase analysts blame partly on the Iraq upheaval.

Estimating all economic and social costs might push the U.S. war bill up toward $5 trillion by 2017, they say.

Their book already figures in the stay-or-leave debate over Iraq.

When Stiglitz testified on Feb. 28 before the congressional Joint Economic Committee, the ranking Republican, New Jersey's Rep. Jim Saxton, complained that such projections are too imprecise to help determine relative costs and benefits of the Iraq war.

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