Topic: What else could we do with $3 trillion?
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Thu 03/06/08 03:59 PM
thank you toasted.I'm afraid i am not as knowledgable as most in this section so I appreciate answers to my questions.thanx again.

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Thu 03/06/08 04:01 PM





why don't you contribute to the conversation? why even post if you're just going to say "YOU COPPIED AND PASTED!! HOW DARE YOU!!??!"


you mean like you are huh....

ok..we all know number can be juggled to say just about whatever you want....this is from a left wing liberal group so of course the numbers are going to be twisted in the liberals favor..

you'll agree with me that during Clinton's term there was no war going on....so where is the 3 trillion dollars from his term?
Iam not sure yanker are you trying to say this war is of minor economic impact to america? when clinton left office the defecit was shrinking so that is were the money went. I cannot belive you would even attempt to make an argument. The facts are this....Our countries future is in hock forever and if you love the country as you claim you should be outraged and if your not outraged your liveing in self delusion or not paying attention



what facts are you talking about?...if you beleive those numbers to be facts you're farther gone than I thought....noway
those numbers are fine, they factor inthe inmterest on the money we borrowed to wage this war and the costs of aiding the crippled men and women who fought it, te yalso factor in the gas prices that have tripled as a cost of the war that all seems reasonable to me. what part do you find unreasonable?


those number are according to who...your not that lame to think that numbers can't be juggled to suit your purpose huh...oh and have these numbers been verified by an audit? You do know what an audit is....

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Thu 03/06/08 04:03 PM

interesting

i answer the question

and not 1 response to it

hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


sorry, must have blinked...what was the question?

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Thu 03/06/08 04:04 PM
Edited by northrn_yanke on Thu 03/06/08 04:06 PM

thank you toasted.I'm afraid i am not as knowledgable as most in this section so I appreciate answers to my questions.thanx again.


one thing you have to keep in mind is the wizardry of accountants...two opposing sides using the same numbers will come out with totally different results, you can't believe either side...until the numbers are audited...

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Thu 03/06/08 04:06 PM


thank you toasted.I'm afraid i am not as knowledgable as most in this section so I appreciate answers to my questions.thanx again.


one thing you have to keep in mind is the wizardry of accountants...two opposing sides using the same numbers will come out with totally different results, you can't believe either side...until they numbers are audited...

very true.i am smart enough to know that..maybe.:wink:

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Thu 03/06/08 04:08 PM






why don't you contribute to the conversation? why even post if you're just going to say "YOU COPPIED AND PASTED!! HOW DARE YOU!!??!"


you mean like you are huh....

ok..we all know number can be juggled to say just about whatever you want....this is from a left wing liberal group so of course the numbers are going to be twisted in the liberals favor..

you'll agree with me that during Clinton's term there was no war going on....so where is the 3 trillion dollars from his term?
Iam not sure yanker are you trying to say this war is of minor economic impact to america? when clinton left office the defecit was shrinking so that is were the money went. I cannot belive you would even attempt to make an argument. The facts are this....Our countries future is in hock forever and if you love the country as you claim you should be outraged and if your not outraged your liveing in self delusion or not paying attention



what facts are you talking about?...if you beleive those numbers to be facts you're farther gone than I thought....noway
those numbers are fine, they factor inthe inmterest on the money we borrowed to wage this war and the costs of aiding the crippled men and women who fought it, te yalso factor in the gas prices that have tripled as a cost of the war that all seems reasonable to me. what part do you find unreasonable?


those number are according to who...your not that lame to think that numbers can't be juggled to suit your purpose huh...oh and have these numbers been verified by an audit? You do know what an audit is....
I find the men to be credible and the statements accurate. to find the true cost of the war you need to factor in the interest on the money we borrowed to wage it. that interest will need to be paid untill it is paid off........what part of economics do you not understand?

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Thu 03/06/08 04:09 PM
and you know this to be a fact?...laugh


do you pay attention to the economy or do you just go around harping on people for ctrl+c while screaming rhetoric?

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Thu 03/06/08 04:11 PM

well ya could give everyone one social security a $500 a
month raise

and quit charging those on disability social security a deductible
for their medical

yeah thats a good idea i vote for that one


ok...on topic...

those are good ideas, and good for our public.

i think several million could go towards solving various diseases and cancers, and the other chunk towards our education system

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Thu 03/06/08 04:12 PM
I find the men to be credible and the statements accurate. to find the true cost of the war you need to factor in the interest on the money we borrowed to wage it. that interest will need to be paid untill it is paid off........what part of economics do you not understand?


you find the men to be credible?...Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes...I think Linda is a woman...

and even if they were both men yopu finding them credible is laughable.....what credentials do you have for that finding to have any credibility?

and what part of economics do you understand?


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Thu 03/06/08 04:13 PM
I liked the idea of shoreing up social security myself

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Thu 03/06/08 04:13 PM
bigsmile

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Thu 03/06/08 04:13 PM

and you know this to be a fact?...laugh


do you pay attention to the economy or do you just go around harping on people for ctrl+c while screaming rhetoric?


oh so it is a fact then..I'll be glad to read the link to those facts...

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Thu 03/06/08 04:15 PM
oh so it is a fact then..I'll be glad to read the link to those facts...


where are your links?

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Thu 03/06/08 04:16 PM

and the other chunk towards our education system


too bad that'll be too late for you and a few others in here...


it's funny. i find when someone lacks a point and feels threatened, they often lash out. which really, is how you post ALL the time

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Thu 03/06/08 04:18 PM

oh so it is a fact then..I'll be glad to read the link to those facts...


where are your links?


t's funny. i find when someone lacks a point and feels threatened, they often duck out. which really, is what you do all the time

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Thu 03/06/08 04:19 PM
U.S. direct spending on the war in Iraq already has surpassed the upper bound of Lindsey's upper bound, and most economists attribute billions more in indirect costs to the war effort. Even if the U.S. exits Iraq within another three years, total direct and indirect costs to U.S. taxpayers will likely by more than $400 billion, and one estimate puts the total economic impact at up to $2 trillion.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/

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Thu 03/06/08 04:22 PM

U.S. direct spending on the war in Iraq already has surpassed the upper bound of Lindsey's upper bound, and most economists attribute billions more in indirect costs to the war effort. Even if the U.S. exits Iraq within another three years, total direct and indirect costs to U.S. taxpayers will likely by more than $400 billion, and one estimate puts the total economic impact at up to $2 trillion.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/


so one estimate puts the total up to 2 trillion...which implies the others are lower than 2 trillion...I thought your thread stated the number was 3 trillion...sounds like there's a little contradiction here...don't you agree?

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Thu 03/06/08 04:23 PM
Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel Prize-winning economist and self-described opponent of the war, puts the final figure at a staggering $1 trillion to $2 trillion, including $500 billion for the war and occupation and up to $300 billion in future health care costs for wounded troops. Additional costs include a negative impact from the rising cost of oil and added interest on the national debt.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/page/2/

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Thu 03/06/08 04:24 PM


U.S. direct spending on the war in Iraq already has surpassed the upper bound of Lindsey's upper bound, and most economists attribute billions more in indirect costs to the war effort. Even if the U.S. exits Iraq within another three years, total direct and indirect costs to U.S. taxpayers will likely by more than $400 billion, and one estimate puts the total economic impact at up to $2 trillion.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/


so one estimate puts the total up to 2 trillion...which implies the others are lower than 2 trillion...I thought your thread stated the number was 3 trillion...sounds like there's a little contradiction here...don't you agree?


madamn...can I get an answer to this one....

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Thu 03/06/08 04:27 PM


U.S. direct spending on the war in Iraq already has surpassed the upper bound of Lindsey's upper bound, and most economists attribute billions more in indirect costs to the war effort. Even if the U.S. exits Iraq within another three years, total direct and indirect costs to U.S. taxpayers will likely by more than $400 billion, and one estimate puts the total economic impact at up to $2 trillion.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/


so one estimate puts the total up to 2 trillion...which implies the others are lower than 2 trillion...I thought your thread stated the number was 3 trillion...sounds like there's a little contradiction here...don't you agree?
It all depends on if you factor in the interest on the money borrowed, if you simply submit a bill for equpment and supplies that is not the true cost of the war, you need to factor in the high gas prices due to the instability in the middle east and the interest on the money borrowed and the drag that has on the economy. face the music yankee this war has been an total disaster for america all accross the board