wasn't really speaking to ya, since you've presented yourself as a lost cause. believing fox is a balanced news source..

me too..its called life...although human interest doesnt get much press these days.

gardenforge,

I'll make you a deal.

I won't call you a right-wing, fascist, Bushwhacking, nutbag if you don't call me a Liberal Socialist.

I'm a Moderate, and in case you haven't been taking notes, there is a difference between Moderates and Liberal Socialists.

I'm probably a lot more Conservative than you describe me.

sounds reasonible,,,,,,,, right?

Hi Doc,

I wasn't commenting on you personally and, just so you know, there are some posts of madisonman and dragoness I disagree with, though not all.

Since I don't have all the facts, I can't determine if the substance of the post is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if Barack Obama might have fudged the truth if it was politically expedient, though I would like to think he wouldn't resort to this sort of tactic.

I know Hillary is certainly fast and loose with the truth.

Thanks, Doc!

Fascist were liberal socialists. They didn't come from the conservative side they were the party of change. The Nazis were National Socialist Party. Funny how a "moderate" only takes exception to anything conservative.

But this thread is about Obama being caught telling fairy tales and they you come along and try to put a spin on it about cut and paste because the facts don't reflect favorably on your little prima donna Obama. I would love to hear your "Moderate" commments on that.

How do you feel about the fact that Obama made up stories and changed history to put himself in a better light?

Do you feel it is acceptable for him to spread a story that is totally false and obviously propaganda?

If he didn't know he had the dates wrong he is too stupid to be president.

Oh I have said it before and I will say it again, I would rather be a right wing nut job than a liberal socialist with no nuts and no job.

GENTLEMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please you two are a couple of the smartest and FAIR dudes on here, if yu cant get along how the hell do expect anyone else to!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate all this crap!!!!! Im going to agree with the left because its my party, no im goig to agree with the right because theyre my party,,,, and when it all comes down there are inaccurancies on both parties,,, albeit in my opinion more falsehoods(lies) on the left. but that is neither here nor there.


Obama WAS caught in a flagrant lie, and as forge said if he did not know it then he is to inept to hold the post.

george may have been inept in believing some intel guys, and that can be disputed at length in other post(and has been). as for the here and now...... the question remains....


WTF!!!!! obama? really, did you not think that people would analize everything you said?

so,,,,mnhiker, whats up? are you defending this dude or are you saying wtf also? I guess that is the real question for some.



thanks, (and be kind to one another)




doc

Well this just illustrates that gardenforge is extreme, in denial, and out of touch with the rest of America, most of who are Moderates.

And it galls him, I can tell.

But go ahead and march to the beat of your own drummer, just don't expect anyone with half a brain to join you.

I guess you must have either drunk the koolaid Bush was handing out or taken the red pill.

gggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

expect more, from the smart people!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, Doc, didn't mean you personally.

We can agree to disagree, but I didn't start the labeling and name calling, gardenforge did.

And I did put out an olive branch, he was just too mulish to take it.

hey brother, heres my thinking, and take it for what it is (my opinion)

the two of you (agreeing or not on issues isnt the point) the two of you are a couple of the (no BS) best thinkers,, honestly taking time to listen to the other before either agreeing or disagreeing. I havent taken anything personal from either of you.

you are the elders here, not in time spent but in years of wisdom and learning.

the fact that you have both let yourselves be pulled down to the gutter by some of these crazy people, tells me that youve let their ways of thinking influence what is a real discussion for what is lunacy.

hatred and bigotry breed more than contempt, they breed intolerance.

I have known you two for awhile and I know from different conversations that neirther of you are intolerant.

dessention is patriotic( an american socialist once said) and if that is true then defending that dessention as a right and not a belief is also equally patriotic and both should shake the hand of the other.

your the grown ups in a place full of grown ups, me Im a hot headed soldier(a mantel of pride by the way) show these deficeient juvinille mental midgets what honest conversation and discourse looks like.

for the love of all that is, please!!!


doc



ps- im done lecturing now, so please dont shoot the messenger. ben franklin made me do it.

Doc,

Thank you for your continuing service to this country.

I totally agree with you on dissention and the other things you mentioned.

I'd rather have an intelligent discussion and not resort to name calling or labels, which are cheap shots at best.

Can't we all just get along?