What would a whole whose laws were based ONLY on Christian Scriptures and values, look like?

Please list the offences and punishments of such a federal law.

Also list, requiremnets of such a law.

We wouldnt be able to do anything at all.

Well a government based on Christianity, just as its written in the bible would be rather bloody. A women having sex during her period would have to be stoned to death. The whole eye for an eye thing would be tedious to enforce. There are too many things in the bible people skip over because they believe it to be outdated and the such. That's why governments that are based upon religion, only loosely follow the guidelines set forth in said scripture.

All of the laws in the Torah are valid. They did not have a prison sentence back then and also punishments that did not require the death penalty would be over quickly and the victim is compusated the guilty is whipped and/or required to pay for his crime ($). Yahshua explained that these laws were spiritual in nature. So an eye for an eye is spelling out if you do the crime expect to pay for it. They were not literal except for when Yahweh commanded Moses what to do like the Death penalty. When Yahweh did this you have to realize these Israelites were just comming out of slavery of 400 years. He was making it very real to the people what can happen if you break the laws. It is like if you correct a child consistantly when they are little. Then when they grow up they realize what is right and what is wrong and pass that on to thier children. Yahweh says in Proverbs a man who does not disiple his child hates his child. He also says teach them the way to go in thier youth and when they are old they will come back to iy. This is true whether good or bad. We see that throughout this country those who have bad parents alot of the time grow up and committ the same crimes. Also how many of us when we have gotten older and all of a sudden we realize we are doing something without even thinking that our parents did to us that we swore we would never do. It is sad but it is true it is like we are subliminally programmed as a child and it comes out in some way or another no matter how hard we try not to do it. We are cursed in this generation of this fact..Blessings Miles

Yeah there is a reason govenments are not like this. Its called reason.
According to the old testament we then should kill people that work on sundays, kill people who commit adultrey, kill gays, kill rebellious teenagers,and not allow woman to speak.

That is why I know God is not a woman.
Kat

The Ten Commandments?

Kat

Almost any modern religion would be a bloodbath like the middle east if given run of a country. Religion has no place in government.

Not to be snide but...government has no place in government.
I say...ABOLISH GOVERNMENT...or most of it.

Kat

That is reason. You do not understand the spirit of the law/torah. Practically all prisons gone. people taking a quick punishment and comming home to thier families. Victims being compusated at least 2x what they were out. False accussations fall back on the accusser to recieve what they wished you would get. These are fair and just laws. We in this day and age are afraid of the Torah laws yet we have thousands upon thousands of laws in this country. Which are written by lawyers then interpreted by lawyers while a lawyer sits and listens and decides which lawyer is the better one. This is why the rich go free and the poor is tried and given sentences that they hope will keep these low lifes out of society. What is this called Nazism. The Master Race is the one who is either born into money or has figured out how to get alot of it. Hitler would be proud. This is the system of govt. we have. it is no more WE THE PEOPLE. No it is lawyers telling us what to do and making thier own laws for us to abide by so whoever does not conform to thier form of discrimination will be locked up.. Evil is called good and good is called evil. Just as the Prophet IsaiYah said it would be. Blessings..Miles

I think most Judeo-Christian 'faithfulls' are afraid of this topic. I knew most would be. There are just too many who refuse to 'bend' thier current doctrine for any reason. It's a pretty safe guess that they would not be willing to be "ruled" over with laws that did not coincide with their own beliefs.

But this proves one very important thing. Belief systems are 'self-developed' OR they are, as Miles intimated 'ingrained'.

This means beliefs / religion are personal. What could be more personal that one, other, individual God relating to one, individual human of Its creation?

So, when a country grants freedom, by law, for religious exercise on a 'personal' level, each individual has been given the freedom to follow whatever they feel led or compelled to believe as opposed to being 'required' to believe in only ONE way.

Who, would want to give up that freedom, for the rule of another, over the self?

In conclusion, no one government of any Judio-Christian faith could ever be established and thrive, peacefully. Ego would not permit it and in the end it would be only those in power holding people hostage to oppression that would rule.

Faith and beliefs in god/s & goddesses are personal - they were not meant to be the rule of many.

Reading some passages in the canonical New Testament, and some teachings attributed to Jesus, I'd say government would resemble a fear-based, totalitarian regime built upon anti-individualism and anarcho-communist principles. But I guess it depends on what parts you read, and how you interpret them.

Hi Redy,

I have a little time to address this topic - an interesting one.

Fri 01/11/08 06:42 PM
I think most Judeo-Christian 'faithfulls' are afraid of this topic. I knew most would be. There are just too many who refuse to 'bend' thier current doctrine for any reason. It's a pretty safe guess that they would not be willing to be "ruled" over with laws that did not coincide with their own beliefs"

"So, when a country grants freedom, by law, for religious exercise on a 'personal' level, each individual has been given the freedom to follow whatever they feel led or compelled to believe as opposed to being 'required' to believe in only ONE way. Who, would want to give up that freedom, for the rule of another, over the self? In conclusion, no one government of any.."

the only thing I would add is any 'religion'

I would not want to live in a country dictated by mankind with one single religion.

I do not feel any form of government/leadership is going to have the perfect solution, but the constitution of the United States in its original form showed a fair amount of wisdom.

Perhaps one day mankind will grow in the required amount of wisdom/spirituality/knowledge to formulate a better and more peaceful way of governing the world.

Yep, that's my hope, Britty - but in the meantime, I think others need to be grateful that they have places/countries that allow, in fact, demand that freedom of religious persuits are a must.

The way to be truly grateful for that freedom is to ensure the continuance of that country, that means, that, on occasion, their religion can not have priority in political 'ethical' matters. Rather, they should be defending the freedoms and equality of all people, so that 'they' can maintain their individual beliefs, without fear, without hiding.

True Redy, and I certainly hope for the continuance of this
country.

By this "defending the freedoms and equality of all people"
I do assume you to mean 'all' people that wish to do good, for
the betterment of the country, not to its detriment.

Redy you said: - "Rather, they should be defending the
freedoms and equality of all people, so that 'they' can
maintain their individual beliefs, without fear, without
hiding." - that's a noble thought, not always easy in
practice, but as you say - we can hope mankind gets better
at it.

Well, it was 'my hope' and being optimistic I may have forgotten to qualify my statement completely! Thanks Britty.

govern thyself and be true.

First of all Di; I am....would be, much afraid of any organized religious groups having complete control of a government understanding them and making them suit their purposes.

While I think there may be valid use of some kind of Spiritual (mine is of course, God ) governing this country. But; the problem with that is they would most assuredly use it to police those they see as wrong, because of their own views.

I had thought of things to say in your other thread, but have since slept.

Since we have so many different religions; I am very sure it would be hard pressed to find or organize a true governing body of Biblical followers.

Hence...There is in my opinion no way a government is going to work "completely" with or "completely" without religious followers. There has to be a happy medium in there somewhere. Otherwise it will be much the same as it is now. Only on the other side of the coin.

Kat

The only law would be love. If all men loved each other there would be no crime therefore no punishment.

The only thing is that men do not choose to live by love, and seek after their own interests even at the harm of others and the environment.

Can you enforce love? No. Even Christians have a hard time yielding to the fruits of the spirit, not realizing they have an obligation to do so. If we were to live by love, peace patience, kindness, gentleness, meekness, and our actions, thoughts, and words be guided buy such things these would quide us from within rather than to have laws to try to conform our behavior to.

Perhaps it would be good to have laws against greed, pride, selfishness, prejudice, anger, wrath and rage, grumpling and complaining, gossip, lust for things which are not our own, impatiance.... yet we would have all be guilty of such things. lol Fortunately over all laws there is grace, there is the chance to try again and succeed no matter how many times we need as long as we seek to do what is good and right.

Yet grace cannot be a law, it is the condition in which we are given to be free of the law and to live for righteousness, for the law is not made for the righteous, for the righteous live by faith and live to do good unto others. The law is made for those who dont yet understand.

Neither are we here to judge and to condemn others, there is only one Righteous Judge and I am not Him, yet in seeing others stumble as they see me stumble we can aid each other to do all that is in love and in good works through our lives.

I think it is true that if the Bible were used verbatim things could be pretty ugly.

Moreover, the Bible is a dictatorship is it not? God is a dictator. No question about it. So a government based on Christian could certainly not be a democracy.

I also think it’s interesting to note here,… people are always asking me to point out the contradictions and inconsistencies that I see in the Bible. I normally don’t keep track of them because I’m not out to arm myself with proof. But I might actually start keeping track.

Anyway, this thread just reminded me of two inconsistencies, (actually three), and they are all centered on one thing (the stoning to death those who commit adultery and/or fornication)

It does seem to be that this was the law of the God of Abraham in the Old Testament. Yet, Jesus taught not to do this.

Well, there are actually two inconsistencies here.

First, Jesus said that he did not come to change the laws. So what’s he doing changing the law? Did he lie?

Secondly, God is supposed to be unchanging, yet here the same God changes his mind.

Do you see the two inconsistencies?

1. A supposedly unchanging God changes his mind about his laws.
2. A supposedly truthful messiah lies about not coming to change the laws.

If these aren’t inconsistencies I don’t know what constitutes an inconsistency.



Yes, the Bible is extremely male chauvinistic too. Why would the creator of this universe be a male chauvinist?

Makes no sense to me. Even the fall of mankind to sin was blamed on the woman for coercing the man into it. Silly story if you ask me. No way am I going to believe that the creator of this marvelous universe is this petty. Sounds to me like a book written by men with an agenda to keep women under their thumb.