I'd rather talk to my dog

i might not be as literate on the subject as many in this forum, nor bearer of undeniable proof to sustain my theories, but this is my opinion :

it doesn't matter what we believe in or what proof has been shown to us, and even whether it's real or if it has been photoshopped, censured or manipulated..

if you really seek true answers you might not even be able to trust the events seen with your own eyes, as the possibility of mirages, illusions or distorted images or beliefs might be corrupted..

for as long as it feels entertaining and educational to hear someone profoundly believe that some concepts or their opposite counterparts could be the utter truth about our world and society, to me the only truth relies in the acceptance of the unknown..

most people are simply too scared of what they don't know or what they cannot control in their lives, and that's an undeniable fact of human behaviour..

we should spend more time in training ourselves to stop worrying about things we cannot explain or control, and devote more of our routine onto actively listening to others opinions, especially when they're totally different from ours, to understanding, to appreciating the knowledge we can absorb, and actively do an effort to absorb it..

but mostly we should just consider that any opinion or theory is possible, just for the fact that it has been expressed and it means that it's real in someone else's mind..

it's no use to waste our time worrying if conspiracy theories are real and at what degree, for at the same time they are real and they're not, like Schrödinger's cat theory illustrates..

so what if anything could be at the same time real and not, but at least worth of our consideration as well as its counterpart?
everything to exist needs a counterpart, as basis on which to draw upon, so nothing is impossible, unreal or unattainable..

the quest is to find the degree in between that satisfies our beliefs and purposes for as long as it isn't extremist to the point to erase its counterpart from being considered into the equation..

Truth is justified by the participants belief.
Reality is actual and requires no justification.

I read the intent of this thread as a focus on conspiracies.
Discussing conspiracy opinion is valid, within the scope of this thread.

If conspiracies are a thing, isn't their scope to effectively alter people's reality?
how can reality then be perceived as undeniable?

if the possibilities are endless, reality is also just a possibility, a perception in someone's mind not duplicated for everyone..

once one digs within the possibility of endless possibilities and manipulation of truth, one must agree that nothing is granted of single perspective..

everything becomes possible and we decide to label as definite or impossible those concepts or situations we are afraid to consider real or possible..

Hi Dive a psychotic person has their own perception of reality .. but given their thought processes are altered and dysfunctional does that mean others would want to acknowledge that reality as valid or trustworthy . Likewise conspiracy theory can be associated with altered thinking so the stability and competence of a person’s cognition and how they rationalise comes into question .

How many people does it take to make a conspiracy? How many people can keep a secret? How many people would it take to kill off the people that know that it is a conspiracy and not get caught in doing so? I could go out and make a crop circle and most likely nobody would figure out it's me, but with technology it is becoming harder to hide things. If Jesus were to die today we could do a simple DNA test to find out who got Mary pregnant. 2000 years ago things were a little simpler so people could get away with pulling the wool over some bodies eyes. If we could find the DNA of Jesus today then we would have the DNA of "God" even if this "God" happened to be Mary's crazy uncle. Basically as the story grows it changes thru time and has things added to it, often this makes the conspiracy even more complicated and perhaps more interesting.

Ignorance does not make a conspiracy. A conspiracy is a planned act or action by two or more people.
Jesus' immaculate birth is a belief.
At that time, not everyone believed he was the son of God.
Only certain people with certain beliefs who needed a 'savior'.
To anyone else, Mary just got knocked up and Jesus was merely a bastardchild.

Jesus was executed for sedition as a threat to royalty.
No conspiracy there. Entirely belief based in ignorance.

Hi Blondey, thank you for expressing your opinion for that proves exactly the extent of what i was elaborating.

So what's the difference between a dysfunctional mentality and a revolutionary one if not the simple label that one feels entitled to associate to one or the other?

Being the entitlement the product of the image of the society in which one's draws upon his judgment, or a personal set of values forged by parenthood and/or personal experiences, such entitlement is nevertheless just the reflection of one's perspective.

As an example modern society labels the murder of another human as cruel and immoral,
while until the IV century it was not only considered normal, but gladiators games were even considered to be fun and a tribute to wealth and honour.

As another example, always in the IV century Copernicus was banned from his church and considered mad from society for proposing his sun-centered theory whilst everyone still believed that the earth was at the center of our solar system.

It took 300 years before Galileo could prove Copernicus right hence changing our society's perception of Copernicus theories from dysfunctional to revolutionary.

If history teaches us anything at all, is that as humans we are constantly changing and constantly evolving, and that everything we believe to know for sure today, is actually just an illusion, for it will be outdated tomorrow.

Some humans are able to see, understand and embrace the fact that we don't possess all the answers, those who don't possess enough mental elasticity simply satisfy themselves by labelling everything they don't understand for fear of the unknown, the unforeseeable and the unpredictable.

Brainwashed or not, conspiracy manipulated or not, either one helds enough depth and creativity or just compensates with shallowness and hypocrisy.

You're a smart girl Dive, I like you and this site needs you

You made me google your home location, I remembered it was a small island but couldn't remember where. Is it a French colony?

Everything sometimes is not what it seems

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I second that. It's odd when sheep start asking about sheep and clearly not get they themselves are one.

That is called "effective brainwashing".

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they have implemented agenda 21
to be carried out in 2021

You are blind and have not looked into it yourself. You just believe what you are told to believe. There are a few elite families who want complete control. They funded both sides of every war you can remember and were taught about. The rothchilds/rockefellers. You are just brainwashed by the propaganda to keep you believing that your the sane one and you criticize the insane conspiracy theorist. When its the opposite your the insane one in fairytale land of lies and the conspiracy person is in fact sane and living in reality

Sheep are people who blindly believe whatever their political party or religion tell them to believe. I don't believe everything Republicans say is right and everything Democrats say is wrong. I don't believe everything Democrats say is right and everything Republicans say is wrong. I don't believe whatever one church says is right and that means every other church is wrong. I don't believe that one news network speaks nothing but the truth and the other news networks only tell lies. If you feel the opposite than you are the sheep. Try thinking for yourself, it's enlightening.

Everyone has different capabilities and opportunities to affect others -sometimes many or all -and people who can affect many or all can be jerks.

I see that conspiracy junk quite often. Each time, I wonder how gullible those who believe it to be true. Most of the time, it's because they just want to fit in with certain people.

One that I thought that was truly laughable, was black helicopters. Trying to keep a straight face on that one was very hard! If you have a basic knowledge of Physics, there is no way that can be believable.

Loud pipes save lives. That one, is beyond nuts. I give in to the fact that sound does travel faster than a motorcycle. But because that sound is trailing the bike,I think I'd rather trust in my brakes, lights, and my general knowledge of riding safely, than the noise of my bike saving me. Besides, the sound insulating qualities of most cars, (Along with audio systems within the vehicle) just ruins that theory. Along with wrecked squad cars, ambulances, and fire engines that have very loud sirens aimed forward.

No, I'm not a sheep.If you have something that seems pretty far fetched, better bring some evidence with it before I choose to believe you.

Reality is reality no matter if someone experiences it or not. Reality doesn't 'care' doesn't 'love' and doesn't change to fit situations.

If someone's 'reality' can be changed, it was never reality in the first place.
Many people exist in a world of delusion they accept as reality.
To them, this delusional reality justifies itself according to their own assessment.
Reality never justifies, it just is.

Endless possibilities is based in the imagination.
Opportunities is based on personal assessments.
Possibility roots in reality thru cause and effect. The chaotic nature of the Universe makes possible realities likely but when it all settles, it settles to a specific reality.

A person can assess that specific reality as reality or assign delusions to it.

Example: She didn't show up for our date. [Reality]
She doesn't like me. [delusion]
My car broke down and I forgot my cell phone at home. [Reality]
She's lying. [delusion]
Possibilities of reality: She shows up to the date/She doesn't show up to the date.
The reality which actually manifested is the latter. Once the reality manifested, the other possibility becomes null/void.
This is because for all possible realities only one manifests which becomes actual reality.

No matter how many friends you have with you to witness the reality will not change actual reality.

When the Earth formed there was nobody to witness it. Yet the Earth exists. The Earth is reality whether people agree with it or not. Believing it doesn't exist does not change the actual reality.
Belief not based in reality is a construct of the mind and is subject to change by assessment where reality does not change by assessment.

Reality does change but only according to the chaotic cause and effect of the Universe.
Changes in reality can be both predicted and spontaneous. Changes in reality are not subject to influence thru assessment. Changes in belief are subject to influence thru assessment.