Topic: 50% of Kiwi and Western men infertile by 2045?
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Sat 02/27/21 02:20 PM

Hi there Ladywind. Call me 'naive' or whatever?
In all honesty, I have never considered nor have been remotely curious about your subject post.
How true it is, must be a concern.
You know, my simplistic view on this, was that Western societies 'plan' ahead and limit their family numbers and offsprings to affordability, with the expectation of a 'better life' for those who follow.
Not sure about the science. But might be accurate just the same.



Fair enough :grinning:

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Sat 02/27/21 02:21 PM

I think this could certainly be...............being a late bloomer in the daddy department I know my "little racers" still worked 16 years ago when I was 48.


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Sat 02/27/21 06:00 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-46118103

“Why is the fertility rate falling?

The fall in fertility rate is not down to sperm counts or any of the things that normally come to mind when thinking of fertility.

Instead it is being put down to three key factors:

*Fewer deaths in childhood meaning women have fewer babies

*Greater access to contraception

*More women in education and work

In many ways, falling fertility rates are a success story.”

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Sat 02/27/21 07:15 PM
Will add “ageing populations“ to that .. A decline in fertility rates is the tip of the iceberg as far as social impacts of ageing .

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Sun 02/28/21 04:30 AM


The Institute for Population Research came out with a report similar to this years ago, though it wasn’t just about male fertility, it was about the future viability of humans reproducing in general. And I definitely believe it. Our environment is getting more toxic every year. We’ve covered our civilization with endocrine disrupting chemicals, and we’ve polluted our food supply with GMO soy, glyphosates, and bovine estrogen. And I see for myself how many expecting mothers aren’t able to carry to term. Miscarriages are rampant. Add to that the epidemic of autism in western civilization. Most European countries have already been reporting losses in native population for years, though their numbers are being replaced by migrants.
According to the IPR, in order to achieve true zero population growth, every person needs to have “an heir and a spare”, which would mean four children per couple, because the expectation is that two of the children will not successfully reproduce.


Any chance of a link to that report? What year was that report? :grinning:


I saw that a few years back. Maybe it’s archived on their website.

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Tue 03/02/21 11:03 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/declining-birth-rate-younger-generations-crisis/

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Tue 03/02/21 11:36 PM
http://vt.co/lifestyle/new-study-reveals-which-types-of-food-packaging-could-actually-be-shrinking-your-manhood

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Tue 03/02/21 11:39 PM
http://www.medicaldaily.com/penis-size-shrinkage-linked-nonstick-frying-pans-fast-food-wrappers-432719

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Tue 03/02/21 11:52 PM
I never wanted to get pregnant, so I'm good.

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Wed 03/03/21 10:41 AM
Its just another example of nature's attempt at culling an over-populated species.
It will continue until, like other natural cullings, our technology circumvents it.

Our species is doomed to over-populate its habitat. It may not be evident to all yet but by the time it is, it will be too far gone.
The effects are already evident, even if you choose not to see it.
At nearly 8 billion people alive right now, pandemics run rampant on a world scale. Imagine 12 billion people alive right now. 20 billion?

The cold fact is, more people are being born than dying. You see the same thing in rodent and insects. We employ pest control measures to cull those populations before they become a problem. There's nothing culling our numbers anymore except nature and we use technology to override the natural balance.
Imagine if rats or cockroaches could circumvent our controls?

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Wed 03/03/21 12:05 PM


I read almost exactly the same article referring to the New Zealand population yesterday. It said only 1.6 babies are being born, rater than 2.8 10 years ago.

I would like to see the statistics for third world countries and countries that do not have the best human rights for women.

The price of living is so high, people are choosing to have only one child now in western countries.

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Wed 03/03/21 12:31 PM



I read almost exactly the same article referring to the New Zealand population yesterday. It said only 1.6 babies are being born, rater than 2.8 10 years ago.

I would like to see the statistics for third world countries and countries that do not have the best human rights for women.

The price of living is so high, people are choosing to have only one child now in western countries.

World Population Clock (Current)
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
Population figures by country
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/
Population densities by region
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/#region
World Population: Past, Present, and Future
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/#pastfuture
World Population Forecast (2020-2050) {note the fertility rates}
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/#table-forecast

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Wed 03/03/21 12:36 PM
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Wed 03/03/21 12:48 PM
Something else you might find interesting

Reported Cases and Deaths by Country or Territory

The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 219 countries and territories. The day is reset after midnight GMT+0. The list of countries and their regional classification is based on the United Nations Geoscheme.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
I just checked the links and they show NOT FOUND
All scales are available using the links provided on the main website page.
Just scroll down for the population figures and chart or click the coronovirus link at the top.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

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Wed 03/03/21 01:39 PM
Thanks Tom :grinning::thumbsup:

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Mon 03/29/21 05:06 PM
the bees were dying all over and then some genius bee lover figured out a way to save them....

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Mon 03/29/21 08:21 PM

Do you believe this?

:thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking:


Kiwi men on track to have zero viable sperm by 2040 - scientist

A scientist studying human fertility has warned Kiwi men's sperm counts are dropping so rapidly, within a couple of decades there might be none left.

In 2017, Shanna Swan - an epidemiologist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, New York - co-authored research looking at falling sperm counts in New Zealand, Australia, Europe and North America.

Looking at 185 studies dating back to 1973, Dr Swan and her team found a 50-60 percent decline between 1973 and 2011.


It was sparked by a paper she saw while on sabbatical.

"I spent six months... looking in detail to see, was this decline due to different method of measuring sperm, or recruiting men, or where they more obese or did they smoke more?" she told Environmental Health News this week, promoting the release of her new book Count Down: How Our Modern World Is Threatening Sperm Counts, Altering Male and Female Reproductive Development, and Imperiling the Future of the Human Race.

"Were there other things that could explain the decline? After six months of work, the answer was no. The slope had not changed after all that analysis."

So she started the proper research that would result in the shocking 2017 paper published in journal Human Reproduction Update - which found the decline was indeed real, consistent and showing no signs of slowing down.

Dr Swan says at current trends, it's on track to hit zero between 2040 and 2045.

"What does that mean? These are median sperm counts - which means half the men in Western countries will have no sperm. This is a big problem, if it were to come to that... If things continue in the same way, it looks very grim for our population survival."

Similar drops in sperm quantity weren't seen in men from South America, Asia and Africa - the scientists unsure whether that was significant, or just because they didn't have enough data from those regions.

So what's behind the drop in Western men's virility? The initial study didn't go into that, but she does in the book.

"I think everyone agrees this is not genetics - this is too fast for an evolutionary change, we're talking about 40 or 50 years," she told Environmental Health News, saying that environmental and lifestyle factors are likely to blame - including the effects of pesticides, cosmetics, foam furniture, paper plates, work stress, fatty food, processed food and packaging.

"The chemicals I'm particularly interested in... are those that affect the body's hormones. The reason is that reproduction depends on healthy hormones. Anything that would interfere with the body's natural hormone system... is going to challenge the reproductive system."

"If women want to have a baby, they are often told, 'Clean up your act,' " Dr Swan writes in the book. "But it's probably more important for men to do so."

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2021/02/kiwi-men-on-track-to-have-zero-viable-sperm-by-2040-scientist.html





This shouldn't bother you honey...because you most probably won't even be alive by 2045 happy

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Sat 05/01/21 07:40 PM
http://youtu.be/ryC8cSK7eZg

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Sun 05/02/21 02:23 AM
Having as so called "smart-phone" close to your reproductive organ like many have might not be so smart... Chemicals also a factor probably like other have pointed out.

I have seen Olle Johansson a now retired scientist (from Karolinska) in cellbiology, histology and neurobiology a referring to a studies about rats with strong radiation on them became infertile after the fifth generation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qIYddAsIho (Swedish).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08-huV3pFrI So link other English video with health impact talk from radiation and this links from lancet and pubmed. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(18)30221-3/fulltext https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21457072/




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Sat 05/22/21 10:17 AM
Well they usually only live about 120 years max -wouldn't worry about being 2000 years old

:p

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Sat 05/22/21 01:59 PM
Edited by Güney on Sat 05/22/21 02:00 PM
Sorry quite late to the subject but Carl Sagan was mentioning something similar (although I don't remember if it was in one of the books or tv series). In the 70s-80s he said this was going to happen in this age (I think 2000, now it is 2020) and infertility would be a problem due to various reasons he pointed out. Now I don't know about "Kiwi" Men (local men?); I believe it will be just fine. People adapt. Women as a sub species are also very selective (even in female birds). So if things won't work out with one they could just try someone else I guess. Lets say the ones that manage to have an offspring lived on (via their children I mean). There will be a majority of successful variants on the next generation. So in a way they will develop a resistance to whatever the cause may be. Or perhaps it will happen too fast for people to adapt.. (I don't know how young they marry for example.) Who knows, we can only live and learn.