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[isaiah 45:7-8] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west (where the sun sets), that there is NONE beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make PEACE, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things. Covid-19 is a great evil and who is causing evil? Right, not Satan but the LORD! As God is SHAKING the kingdoms, he multiplies evil in the earth. Can the clay say to him that mouldeth it, what makest thou? Can we tell the Creator what to do and what not to do? Can the clay strive with the potter of the earth? As Covid-19 is raging, the world is fighting back only to now realize, after many months of Covid terrorization, that the virus is mutating and bouncing back double. Will any preliminary vaccine save us or will it cause MORE harm to the nations? Is covid-19 not the work of modern sorcerers commanded by the LORD, to proclaim evil to this generation, the previous and the next? The world has trusted in wickedness and therefore evil has come upon us. It's a good thing for the LORD to payback those, that have troubled us and broken our hearts to the core. REALLY? You take this one scripture and jump to all kind of conclusions incl. putting words in GOD's mouth and then twist it? You forgot one important part of Bible interpretation: Compare scripture with scripture for the whole picture! "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."John 10:10 Virus created by evil man driven by demonic power of greed, power hungry and selfish desire over everything else. 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 1 John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. You got it mixed up, GOD is good , devil is bad! GOD has to allow evil because of evil people that have free will, it was like that since the Garden of Eden! Since then evil has always been on this planet doing it's thing, nothing new. God is not schizo, trying to destroy that what He himself would have built up. Covid is made up by people and kept alive by the same through lies to instill fear in order to usher in their long awaited form of their ruling government. They now call it the "Great Reset". This is not judgment yet, but serves as a wake up call. Yet many are still sleeping and swallowing all the lies the government controlled media dishes them out. The church itself as in this state of condition is another discussion... Your statements are only valid if you can proof to me that God is NOT the one who is doing the killing. He may not do the killing personally, but there is no force in His Heaven, opposing His will. Satan is a lesser power who obeys God and his EVIL deeds come from God. About the Garden: Eve was the beginning of sin. Why didn't Satan tried Adam first? Because it was Eve who was unhappy to be below Adam, and God sent Satan to deceive her, so she would fail the test and He could blame humanity for being in transgression through Eve. We all die because Eve sinned, right? Why was Satan trying to temp Christ? Because the Father didn't give riches and wordly power to His son. He gave it to Satan! Satan has dominion over the earth and those who stive for wordly powers, become adversaries of God through Satan. Satan's reign will end with the fall of the Kingdoms and the destruction of the world. God has setup Satan to deceive those with wicked thoughts and deeds, and those that disobey Him, meaning those that are under the law and have NO free will. FYI NOT EVERYBODY HAVE FREE WILL. Those two scriptures alone are telling the story. But since you are looking for precepts; here is another precept for you, and let's see if I am twisting scriptures and putting words in Gods Mouth: [Deut. 32:39] See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no God with me: I KILL and I make alive, I wound and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. Also, read about the killing and destruction that is coming to this world in the book of Revelation. Isn't it Christ and God who are going to do the killing? Concerning the churches, I don't even want to go there. There is nothing positive you can say about the churches. Not of the past, nor of the present, whereas they are out of time and their future lies in the past. The churches were setup during the transatlantic slavery, to keep the slaves docile, so they would obey their masters and not escape the plantations. Their descendants are still being thought LIES, and no greater evil has been done under the heavens. How can you justify the MASS raping, castration, the mutilation, the lynching and murdering of slaves, Moors and Jews, done buy the Catholic Church in the 15th century and even before that? In those days Church and Government were not separated. It was One BIG Evil institution. The churches have never told the truth and they NEVER will. Their is not ONE church in the whole wide world, that is teaching the true biblical Gospel. And if you disagree then show me Christianity and Theology in the Holy Bible. so, let's be quite about the churches. Here is a question for you. Does God Hate? God has NOT build up yet, because he doesn't love the world. He is tearing down the works of His enemies and will build His Kingdom under Christ and King David, after the Great destruction. [1 John 2:15] Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the father is not in him. Hopefully, I am not twisting anything;). I must agree with your thoughts on Covid, but I kept fairly silent about it, because my thoughts would be unbelievable and not for the common ears. I have been waiting unpatiently, for the last three years, for an agenda like Covid to unfold. About the KILLING, we are not allowed to kill, but it's God who shows mercy and not Satan. Show me where Satan says that he KILLS! One more precept as a bonus.. [1 Samuel 2:6] The LORD KILLETH, and maketh alive, he bringeth down to the grave and bringeth up. |
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...and the scripture wars continue... 
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Churches here have online services. And some also have limited Congregation with following health restricted guidelines by our Governor.
Church is important to those that love and serve God. However, the relationship with God is in your heart. It's not a Religion. Jesus Christ Saves. |
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Outside,
in a remote area, lined up perpendicular to the wind. that's what they're doing up here in Canada where i live--mostly old order Mennonites. they regard worship as separation from the sinful world around them, giving them herd immunity to sin & death from sin. whatever floats your boat I guess |
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it's a matter of personal faith. i go to an online church but only because it is convenient. were there a church nearby i wanted to go to i would. this is obviously a hot topic which a lot of people myself included feel strongly about.
walmart has stayed open as have liquor stores. what's the difference between going to church with a mask on for 90 minutes or shopping for 90 minutes in walmart? |
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it's a matter of personal faith. i go to an online church but only because it is convenient. were there a church nearby i wanted to go to i would. this is obviously a hot topic which a lot of people myself included feel strongly about. walmart has stayed open as have liquor stores. what's the difference between going to church with a mask on for 90 minutes or shopping for 90 minutes in walmart? I believe there’s a big difference and you should know that yourself. Incase you don’t know , a continuous period of being seated, especially when engaged in a particular activity like in the church is far different going into the Walmart get what you want and leave. Wake up and enjoy the roses |
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personally i think the lock down is ******** perpetrated by world dominators who want to grow their money while shrinking everyone elses...an extreme point of view...but i read a lot and that is my opinion...its a flu with less than 2 percent mortality rate....media hypes it up and directs us and we all like sheep follow along gamely most of us...
u smell your own roses... |
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Just a few tidbits of info from my sis;
My b-i-l works with the Amish. The Amish do not wear masks. They do shop in Walmart and other stores. They have a lumber business. They do not follow pandemic restrictions set forth by the governor. Sis tells me she still knows no one who has contracted covid. Including the Amish. She says the governor is enacting a return to more stringent restrictions. They still meet for mini services at her home. In general, there is still no NEWS of churches or religious gatherings except that in general the size of gatherings is restricted and the churches remain limited seating. She tells me local pastors have started removing pews to limit and control the seating capacity of services. The Amish have not been harassed by the police and since their 'shopping trips and businesses are mainly family events, their numbers in public are small anyhow. They do still have community events on their own land. Barn raising, weddings and funeral services as well as social picnics and reunions. Nobody wears a mask. Nobody is sick. Nobody will get the vaccination. All this makes me wonder what is occurring in our Native American populations and their reservations? Not casinos but the actual Native American traditional gatherings where the general public is not usually invited? |
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Edited by
tdion
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Tue 02/09/21 02:54 PM
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Just a few tidbits of info from my sis; My b-i-l works with the Amish. The Amish do not wear masks. They do shop in Walmart and other stores. They have a lumber business. They do not follow pandemic restrictions set forth by the governor. Sis tells me she still knows no one who has contracted covid. Including the Amish. She says the governor is enacting a return to more stringent restrictions. They still meet for mini services at her home. In general, there is still no NEWS of churches or religious gatherings except that in general the size of gatherings is restricted and the churches remain limited seating. She tells me local pastors have started removing pews to limit and control the seating capacity of services. The Amish have not been harassed by the police and since their 'shopping trips and businesses are mainly family events, their numbers in public are small anyhow. They do still have community events on their own land. Barn raising, weddings and funeral services as well as social picnics and reunions. Nobody wears a mask. Nobody is sick. Nobody will get the vaccination. All this makes me wonder what is occurring in our Native American populations and their reservations? Not casinos but the actual Native American traditional gatherings where the general public is not usually invited? There is really not much to consider. When Columbus visited the New World the Native Indians taught him how to live from the land and what to do to prolong his days, weeks, months and years, wherever they visited the land. But didn't they steal the land, without the intention of giving it back, rape, rob the poor indians, capture them into slavery, burned and murdered them, and showed NO mercy whatsoever to these poor people? Did you ever figured out who these Native Indians were before they landed in America, which language they spoke, which country they came from and who they actually were? The times of the churches has passed. The Most High is tired of these bandits. Although they have recently received green light from the Biden Administration, they will not be able to re-build their churches. Malachi[2:7] For the priest lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. Less he repent, which will not happen. |
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There is really not much to consider. When Columbus visited the New World the Native Indians taught him how to live from the land and what to do to prolong his days, weeks, months and years, wherever they visited the land. But didn't they steal the land, without the intention of giving it back, rape, rob the poor indians, capture them into slavery, burned and murdered them, and showed NO mercy whatsoever to these poor people?
What does this have to do with what I wrote? All this makes me wonder what is occurring in our Native American populations and their reservations? Not casinos but the actual Native American traditional gatherings where the general public is not usually invited?
What I wrote had to do with how Native Americans are dealing with the restrictions of the pandemic and I'm wondering if they gather as usual or if they too are limited in how they conduct their events. It was more directed towards our Native American members than random speculation. Knowing reservation politics and culture is separate from the US government. I'm also curious if pressure is being brought to bear on their traditions by the US government to 'conform' to pandemic restrictions while conducting their own business on their own land. Granted, I'm sure they have to jump thru the US government's hoops when dealing with general public at casinos and other businesses. Details probably worked out between the liaison and the government. |
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1) god gave us all brains to use and think.
I believe if they dont wear a mask and lets say your sis gets covid. they say opps sorry about your sis? Would you be ready for that. your the one that will live with it for years, the outcome if she gets it. not the church or the minister. Mabye your sis is high up in the church now, and she is trying to get promoted within the church. Could be like a deakon or something. i think the church should be more responsible on thier part, when it hits it hit fast. You have to live with it, and you hate the church if she gets covid Are you ready? God gave us brains in certain matters, why are not people using them. I used to go to a bible college also, yet there never explained things right. i asked them why they take so long to teach a lesson. so many ministers dont teach right, i say 75 percent or 80. a minister up here told me higher that that. people if they start reading on thier own, it only takes 15 min to get a thirst for knowledge. As for covid, yes this is the last generation before the tribulation. I think if that minister of your sis. really cared for your sister, he would not put her in harm way. cause you have to live with the outcome of no sis. the minister does not. the minister in my opinion should say safety first if he is a minister. and i believe in this regard he is not that religious. i seek another church, when anyone says its ok no mask, your playing with fire. |
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I'm not religious. I don't blame my God for what happens.
If my family gets covid. It happens. I no longer 'worry' about anything. My sis is a long time member of her church. She does this on her own and only certain groups. Her home is not very big, no room for more than a handful or two of people. She does take precautions. Personally, I've been socially distant for more than 10 years. This topic isn't for or about me. Its meant for those who feel they must continue to worship in fellowship. It was my sis's solution which inspired the thread. A way for others to explore what works or might work for them. I'm not religious but I know a lot of people are. Religion (in general) doesn't scare me. If find it delusional. There are many things people believe and do which I find delusional but that doesn't mean I think they are worthless people. Being passionate about your religion is your choice and if it makes living your life a higher quality than otherwise, go for it. What strikes me as odd is the fact bars, night clubs, bowling alleys and beauty parlors open up and get NEWS coverage yet churches remain closed. I also found it odd before the pandemic when parking lots of bars and night clubs were full Saturday night but church parking lots were rather empty on Sunday. My sis lives in a rural community. Most of her neighbors and friends are farmers. I believe population density increases/decreases the threat. I live in a sparsely populated small town. I imagine the more populated your community is, the more precautions you need to take. Its also important to remember covid is not completely fatal. It can be beat and it is survivable. Just look at the statistics. Yesterday I noticed the marquee at the local Med Stop states they offer instant testing for covid within a half hour. Its a pandemic but its not the end of the world. |
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this guy did a really good job on the topic imho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH-fNyJnr_Y&t=35s |
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I'm not religious. I also found it odd before the pandemic when parking lots of bars and night clubs were full Saturday night but church parking lots were rather empty on Sunday I'm not religious? it is a start seeking information in 5 years from now you may or not be depends how your actions take you. . Of course the night clubs were full, why people want exciting, dancing is exercise to a lot of people. they unwind. churches put people to sleep. they talk on and on 80 min and you may never get the message. yet they are some really good one out there. You have to look around. |
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I'm not religious. I also found it odd before the pandemic when parking lots of bars and night clubs were full Saturday night but church parking lots were rather empty on Sunday I'm not religious? it is a start seeking information in 5 years from now you may or not be depends how your actions take you. . Of course the night clubs were full, why people want exciting, dancing is exercise to a lot of people. they unwind. churches put people to sleep. they talk on and on 80 min and you may never get the message. yet they are some really good one out there. You have to look around. I've been to some really good and exciting churches. I've attended some very fulfilling revivals and seminars. I've participated in some very uplifting discussion groups all in the name of religion. Being a rational man who decided to live in the moment in reality, religion no longer works for me. It doesn't mean I can't accept that it still works for others. People gain strength as they need it and it shouldn't matter how they go about it if it works for them and doesn't hurt others. This thread is a general discussion of what you are doing in the name of faith and doctrine to keep your religion alive when social standards prevent standard practices. Inspired by my sister's choices, I was curious. Whether you practice religion or not, when you reply, I expect it is to share some insight on the matter at hand. Its not meant to be an accounting of your beliefs or the validity of your faith, merely a how its being done thing others might find enlightening or interesting. The fact I'm not religious anymore is not the focus of the discussion. The fact I need to repeat it is interesting but that's another subject entirely. |
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Hi tom
Not sure where your sister is based .. but I personally have concerns with her inviting people into her home for mini services .. wearing a mask unless it is an n95 or respiratory mask gives her or anyone else no protection . Removing a mask if not done correctly increases risk of transmitting pathogens . The only people coming into her home should be just those who live in that house . She cannot tell by looking at someone if they have been exposed to the virus . It takes just one person infected to transmit to others and this can happen in less than 15 minutes . I understand the need to worship . I do . But faith will not protect her . The church should look at online services . I expect in the USA over the next two weeks to see a major change with their lockdown protocols ... churches will not and should not be exempt .. they represent a major risk for community spread . yeah |
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