I'm kidding. Crappin in her mailbox is a federal offense. Crap on the hood of her car.

You said that you had to drive a bit to meet her? Why would you even think of giving her a second chance after letting her treat you that way the first time? You can only be treated badly IF you allow someone to treat you that way.
She knew her friends would be there, thats an old trick with women that are unsure of how the date is going to go. Thats why you should have never met her in a bar...ummm right there is your first sign!! Why didn't you meet in a coffee shop or a place to grab something to eat? I myself would never meet someone in a bar...I don't drink and I don't think its a good place to meet someone for the first time.
Then you left angry, plus I am sure that you drove after you had a few drinks? Not to smart on your part to drive that far and drink and drive!! Yep I say move on and don't give her a chance to throw you down on the floor again and walk on you like a door mat!!

I know I'm an idiot...

You're not an idiot, you're just attracted to someone, but her actions don't sound attractive. I'd never consider bringing along my friends for a first meeting but that's me. If you're truly attracted to this woman and want to see her again, then I'd be honest about your feelings but don't let her play you. Online forums give so many more options and there are really at least a few women that would not act in such a way. I know men that set up an "out" as well and, well I'd prefer honesty of I don't think this is working and let's just end this, but don't set yourself up to be walked all over is what I think. There are plenty of others out there that really do know how to treat someone appropriately even if they aren't feeling the chemistry at a first meeting.

I don't think you are an idiot! I just think you need to realize that you don't deserve to be treated like that, no one does!! There are so many nice single women out there, I can't figure out why you would want to "settle" for someone like that?
Move on and find someone that is happy to have you!! Life is way to short to play games, obviously she is one that likes to play games with the guys!!
Good luck

I agree with 'Unsure'. Nobody deserves to have games played with them.

I have such bad luck with women sense I moved to Indiana I mine as well of moved to India as it seems everyone I meet is just cold and I'm getting tired of it. I've been giving the military alot of thought lately as I'm just not happy with my life and this just makes me want to join so much more as no one appreciates me anymore.

Buh Bye

Perhaps one of these days I can tell you my tale and make you feel better about your dating life :)

I am beginning to wonder if Indiana is just a bad place to meet people? I don't think I would join the military just because you are not happy with your "social" life. Maybe you need to get out more and make some new friends? Trust me, your life could suck a lot worse...count your blessings!!
Always look around you and see people who have it worse then you do. Trust me, there are many people out there that do. If you wake up every morning..then you are lucky

I don't know why someone wouldn't want to talk to you, you seem so upbeat.
Don't join the military just cause you aren't happy with your life, unless you really want to join the military. There are other things you can do, like pick up a hobby, that doesn't force you into a commitment.
I take first meetings as just that, a first meeting. Get to know someone, see if you might want to get to know them more.

I don't know the scenario so I can't tell if she treated you bad or not. Did you try to join the conversation with her friends or did you just sit there sullen about the whole thing? Maybe she was just worried about meeting someone from the internet so wanted her friends there and you guys didn't vibe. I still find it rude on her part if she didn't try to introduce you to her friends and make you part of the conversation though.

Social dynamics, man.

If you were more socially aware (and you will be after you read what I have to say) everyone there, including you, could have had a wonderful time.

Learn from every negative experience in life. Here's how you can learn from this one:

The Pickup Artists teach that women of beauty are rarely found alone and are usually with friends at places of social gathering like bars are clubs. To successfully approach a woman like this, you must approach the entire set of people. To gain her trust and interest, you must first win all of her friends over.

Some people may look at your situation and say "she was being a b!tch." Master PUA Style says that there is no such thing as a b!tch, and that if a girl acts b!tchy to you, that just means you made a social miscalibration and could have avoided it if you calibrated better. This mindset lets you learn from your mistakes so that the same problem will not come up again.

If you had opened yourself up to the whole group and befriended all of her friends and her (instead of trying to laser-focus your attention on her the whole time), things would have turned out to be a LOT different. You would have demonstrated that you are a cool and adaptable guy and not some creepy "skeez" from the internet.

Ultimately it's all about being social in a general sense instead of focusing on the end goal of dating.

As for what you should do NOW, don't worry about it. Keep communication casual with her and if you two decide to meet up again, that's great. However, don't approach the situation from a mindset of scarcity. Keep your mind, heart, and options open; know that there are "plenty of fish in the sea" so you can approach your situation in a calm and collected manner.

Have fun,
-Chief

If you had wanted a "group" date I am sure you would have made your intentions known. I do believe this young lady in question showed a certai degree of inconsideration but that being said, she could have also introduced you to her friends and THEY could have as a group included you in their conversation.Let's give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she felt threateneed by meeting a stranger, this still is no excuse for her abominable behaviour.

That was a very nice point of view on the situation and it makes alot of sense maybe I let it go bad, but I found it hard to jump in on a conversation that wasn't meant for me and not to mention this dude was drunk and really annoying. I know I should of made more of an effort to talk with her friends, but I'm shy and I just wasn't prepared. I know now I blew my chance with her, but it had nothing to do with her being afraid of people from the Internet as she brought the meeting up and I asked her if she has dated people from the net before and she said yes. It was just one of things you think about later and wish you would of done things differently... You know?

That was her way of putting a barrier on things so didnt have to interact with you directly. I think its always best to meet in a group, that way everyone has a bit of an escape. I have to admit I did the same thing to a friend last night. Only he showed up at my regular hang out with no warning. Walked up hugged me, attempted to kiss then followed me and my friends around for about 15 min before I got "lost". But that was kind of different, cause I didnt invite him there.

Oh, definitely, dude. But now you have more confidence in being able to handle a situation like this, which prepares you for the future
As for drunk people... I'm about to talk about some stuff I've discovered myself in my journey to PUAhood, and I'm pretty sure this content isn't available anywhere else in the PUA community (I guess I'll write a book or something ):
Think about capitalism... it's basically an economic equivalent to natural selection. Communism failed because it was basically going against human nature. To succeed economically in western society, you have to 1) Start your work within the system, 2) Work your way up the system and 3) Monopolize a part of the system. I applied this concept to winning the favor of drunk people:
1 - Start your work within the system
What I do here is basically do something the PUAs call compliance, or complying to their "frame." I start off by socially calibrating my energies to their level, agreeing with whatever they say and whatnot to give them respect and value so that they would feel like I am part of their world and therefore would be more comfortable with me.
2 - Work your way up the system
In this phase I build more and more of a positive energy between me and the drunk person, focusing heavily on having FUN so that I keep their emotions on the positive side of the spectrum. Use fun and rapport to gain trust.
3 - Monopolize a part of the system
This is when I flip the script around. By now they see me as a person who definitely knows how to have fun, and they trust that I know what I am doing, and that what I am doing is the right thing to do. I get them to comply to my frame now, taking on a more assertive role that still conveys a fun vibe. Whatever they were doing in the beginning that got me to comply with them, I am now doing to them.
4 - Repeat!
Social dynamics are just that...DYNAMIC. You must keep the flow moving and must not halt in any one phase. After the third step, start over with the first and keep repeating the process to maintain sober control of the situation. Now, the drunk person is no longer an obstacle with negative energy.

As for being "shy and unprepared," you can overcome those sticking points, right?

How old is she? Perhaps you need to talk to someone a bit longer and find out if they are the maturity level you want, versus a girl just looking to bait men and play them for a fool. People's behaviors are awful sometimes. I wouldn't have a thing to do with her, again.

Glad you weren't driving around my neck of the woods

a few beers...long drive

Joining the military won't solve the fact that many people are rotten to the core. We can learn a lot by bad first dates, and I've had my share, without a doubt. Beware of those who like to live at a bar "with friends" or without, though.

Forget about chatting with her "friends", she misled you from the get go. You weren't there to socialize with whatever mess she hangs out with, you had wanted to meet her. If some man did that to me, he would definitely be very sorry for it. I'm tender hearted and don't take getting tread on lightly at all.

sounds like to me u already called her!!! no i wouldnt call her back! i think the more proper thing u should of done is to calmly discuss the matter with her.. at the bar yes.. then asked her to go to a different bar and see what she would of replied to.... then if she said next time.... meant she really wasnt interested.... perhaps she didnt know her friends would be there... perhaps she did cause she was nervious... whatever the case doesnt sound like u handled it to well... again u should of asked her to go somewhere else that u wanted time to get to know her..