i used the numbers from dragons site page 1


http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/calculator.html

Fanta, I disagree, just because it was not as visible to you does not make it more or less of a problem. If we would have been enforcing our laws back then up until now it would not be the problem it is today. So many families would not be working on a second generation or more here, etc...... That is where the humanitarian issue comes in.

But I do not want to rehash this issue with you. You have misunderstood my stance on other posts and I do not want to do that again.

Can we just agree to disagree this time and wait and see what happens? I know you and I will be standing on different sides of this vote but we do not have to be enemies because of it.

I do get passionate and I do type fast. Thoughts mixed with passion come across badly it seems. I felt badly that people got into trouble, I did not want that to happen. Can we just leave it????????

Yeah, thats laws and process mostly. Here state by state #'s!

Gains and losses as well!

http://www.fec.gov/pages/elecvote.htm

The link I provided if that is it lists how many per state and the people who are actually the members.

same numbers i used

note the dates State

1981-1990

1991-2000

2001-2010

stays the same for 10 years

It was visible, very! Once a week the bus would go through, carrying illegals back!

All through HS we would go pick chilli's in Las Cruces. There were no illegals doing it!
Here, where I know there are 700,000, in 1984, when I came home from Europe, all you saw were seasonal migrant workers! Now, Ha, ha, and they aren't legal!

In NM, any direction you went were border patrol check points. 80 miles from the border. They enforced the laws.

With as many American born, (3 generations deep), Mexican friends that I have, and as many relatives as they have in "Mexico," I never saw the blatant flagrant disobedience of our law as I do now, 2500 miles from the border!

Yes, if it had been a problem I would have seen it, and those friends I know so well, are some of the most vocal, against illegal immigration, Americans I know!

Sorry adj, I missed that!

I do not want to rehash this issue with you. You have misunderstood my stance on other posts and I do not want to do that again.

Can we just agree to disagree this time and wait and see what happens? I know you and I will be standing on different sides of this vote but we do not have to be enemies because of it.

I do get passionate and I do type fast. Thoughts mixed with passion come across badly it seems. I felt badly that people got into trouble, I did not want that to happen. Can we just leave it????????

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I still dont see, but yeah they change with the population!

Michigan 20 18 17
17 is now!

New York 36 33 31
North Carolina 13 14 15


We gained 2 they lost 5!

Ohio is down
Pennsylvania is down 4 or 5 and Tex is up 6!

they will remain the same till 2010

last change was 2000

and b4 that was 1990

then 1980

see a pattern here

Yep,
Population shifts!!!

Happens every time there is a new census!

Unions shut down, people lose jobs, people move to the South!
No brain-er!

Of course you have to account for a growing older population retiring in warmer climates!

I notice nobody with any real reason why the current system should be changed!

No answer yet to the questions!

When has that an electorial vote gone against the people of a states choice? _________(insert answer)

When have you even heard of the electorial votes from a given State split?________(insert answer)

There has only been 2 times in history that the popular vote and the electorial vote has differed! When?_______(insert answer here)

If the electorial vote from any State went against the popular vote of that state, how long do you think that person, or people would retain their office?______(insert answer here)

because they are party appointed

here is why