I still haven't figured out what these "manly qualities" that women shouldn't have are either.
I don't have any interest in sports, does that make me less of a man?

I can change a tire, check all the fluids in my car I know how to use a drill, many kinds of power tools I have worked construction and many dirty jobs that make me look like a homeless person.

I did not learn to do all this because I wanted to compete with men.
when I started driving my brother told me that if you drive you should be able to do simple maintenance on your own car.

I also took a job at a dirty paint factory years ago because it paid all the bills and I had three kids to raise their dad was in prison. I was able to move up in that company because I worked hard and was proud to be able to take care of my family on my own because I had to do it.
and I was tired of working two lousy jobs to make the same as one decent job with benifits

I also love dress cloths, skirts, lingerie, silky underthings and perfumes of all kinds fluffy pillows, and soft comforters.
lotions and creams and all those things girls or woman like as well

but the days of a woman only allowed to work until a man takes care of them is long gone
it takes two people in this world to achieve some of the extras in life and sometimes it take two to make them get by, and there is nothing wrong with a woman working right along side her partner to get ahead in life.
it has nothing to do with competition
anyone who thinks that thats why so many women work today has a lot to learn, and is probably going to miss out on a lot of things in life for their future too.

oh well I hope you find that simple gal your looking for
good luck

Kid. Of course not. The point is that men, in general, do not find a woman attractive if she watches Sports Center every night, knows the entire Dallas Cowboy roster back and forth, knows the entire NBA playbook, etc. There's nothing wrong with enjoying an occasional game together, but men just don't find it attractive for a woman to be non-feminine 24/7. If that's the case, we may a well be dating Ellen Degeneress


If that's what she has an interest in then why not? I know a few women that race sprint cars and they're damn good at it too. I have a lot of respect for anyone that would strap themselves into a 1200 lb, 800 hp projectile.

You're going to have to come up with a better example on "manly" than just sports. I see sports in general as entertainment and if that's what you like, then why not.

It's strange to agree with a point, by re-stating it, and then call it weak. Appearently, you agree that men are more physically strong than women. OK... but you missed the point. Everything else you said is off topic.

However, you've once again missed the point. This post is not about men vs. women, who's stronger, whos' weaker, etc.

This post has a narrow focus, which I will repeat again for everyone who still hasn't heard it:

1.) Men do not find career minded women, who bring their competetion with men, home with them, and attempt to complete at home, attractive.
2.) Men do not find women who are excessively into manly things attractive.

Please try adding something to conversation that is on topic, instead a personal men vs. women rant.

Any one else just get all Scarlett O'hara, when reading italian_half (which half)'s posts??


"Oh wherah are ma smellin salts, Rhett darhlin'"

You are the one who initially brought up muscular differences. Furthermore, I did stick to "topic" as I argued that women have more to do in life than to be attractive to men.

You seem to have a basic reading comprehensive problem as every argument a woman makes against your thesis is met with an admonition.

Personally, I am done here. There are a few things I don't like to waste my time on, one of them is arguing with morons. I hope you find a nice Barbie or Real Doll that doesn't challenge your obviously shaky sense of self.

woman need careers and freedom to protect themselves from men like u

I love how you think everyone else is missing the point....when possibly it is you that is missing the point.

I also love how you suddenly believe you speak for ALL men.

But... would you want to date one of those 1200lb projectile ladies?? Come on...

There is one that I'd consider dating. She's pretty damn intelligent too.

I would still like to see a better example than sports of these manly traits.

Any one else just get all Scarlett O'hara, when reading italian_half (which half)'s posts??


"Oh wherah are ma smellin salts, Rhett darhlin'"

There's nothing wrong with a woman working hard, and it certainly makes you a strong person for doing so. No one would deny you the respect you deserve for working hard.

The point of the arguement is that if you had a job where you were in competetion with men all day, company politics, the stock exchange, anything... a man is not going to find it attractive if you come home and compete with him. (i.e. tell him how much better your job is than his, compare your work to his, talk about how much more money you are making than him) Men don't find that attractive.

Men, also, in general, don't find a girl that is into sports more than most men, attractive. There's nothing wrong with watching the occasional big games together. However, sometimes women get into sports, to obtain entry into the world of men, and really know too much about sports to be feminine. It's unattractive, in excess.

It's unfortuate that most people weigh in without understanding the point of the discussion, or the premise of the arguement.

Most men and women, if you read all of this post, agree with the premise.

There will always be disagreements in any discussion.

It seems that you come across more "career women" these days. Women who are in their thirties and forties, with looks fading fast, that still don't quite understand what men want.

For some reason, with all the intelligence and value this group gives to themselves, this miss a fundamental truth. Men are not attracted to women who try to compete with them.

Men, for the most part, excepting for contentious objectors, peace-niks, and fans of John Mayer, tend to like women to be feminine, soft, sensitive, etc - qualities that men typically do not (except as above) possess.

Why can't these women, take off the suit, stop watching Sports Center, and just be a girl?