Topic: Polls show Democrats have an edge
Easttowest72's photo
Thu 11/08/18 09:46 PM
I'm a Trump supporter and I think the investigation against Bill Clinton was stupid. I've heard other republicans agree with me. Obama is out. Nobody cares what he is doing. I don't think Hillary will run for president again. Dems haven't had anyone worthy, run for president in a long time. Let's hope a talk show host and Jenny Craig poster girl isn't next.

msharmony's photo
Thu 11/08/18 09:58 PM
Lets hope its not another glorified reality show star either.

Id love to see another fresh and progressive candidate like Obama, actually, one well studied and educated in the constitution and political science, as well as having had some experience working at lower rungs of the three branches.



Easttowest72's photo
Thu 11/08/18 10:09 PM
We've already had too many men as president who got elected because they could make a good speech. That's why we have a huge trade deficit, problems with immigration, and lots of people without healthcare. There is more to bring president that being a yes man. What's best for our country often pisses people off. Like taking away food stamps and replacing them with a job. Sending back illegals that are being used for cheap labor and sex.
On my drive home from work there is a sign that says farmers who support Trump. The media tried to portray farmers as hating Trump but that isn't the case. They see the big picture. They understand that sometime there will be pain to make things better. I wish others had the same intelligence.

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Thu 11/08/18 10:21 PM

We've already had too many men as president who got elected because they could make a good speech. That's why we have a huge trade deficit, problems with immigration, and lots of people without healthcare. There is more to bring president that being a yes man. What's best for our country often pisses people off. Like taking away food stamps and replacing them with a job. Sending back illegals that are being used for cheap labor and sex.
On my drive home from work there is a sign that says farmers who support Trump. The media tried to portray farmers as hating Trump but that isn't the case. They see the big picture. They understand that sometime there will be pain to make things better. I wish others had the same intelligence.


I never have nor never will vote someone because of how they give a speech. lets hope those who would are outliers. I do pay attention to the way they carry themself (like an interview for any other job). I pay attention to their answers to important questions (like an interview for any other job) and in the position of POTUS(like any other job) I prefer someone educated in the field (politics and the constitution) and with experience in the field as well, such as civic or military experience(like any other job).

The media consists of thousands of entities that dont all say the same thing about anyone. One can find pros and cons about anyone or anything by just looking.

People opposing Trump see a big picture too, a big picture of regressing back to oppression, segregation, encouragement of bigotry, promotion of ignorance, and anything BUT a United States.

Easttowest72's photo
Thu 11/08/18 10:37 PM
So you would rather have someone who went to business school than someone who is a successful business man. That's the difference between me and you. A wolf can pur on sheeps clothing and impress you. Trump isn't a career politician. He speaks his mind. It's refreshing to see a president telling it like it is. While thugs were burning down their own neighborhood, looting even at black own stores, vandalizing police cars etc, being violent and shooting police, Obama did nothing. He was a coward. He was too big of a puss to say it like it is and that they are nothing more than a bunch of animals. We need leadership. Not someone worried about pissing his voters off.

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Thu 11/08/18 10:47 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 11/08/18 10:49 PM

So you would rather have someone who went to business school than someone who is a successful business man. That's the difference between me and you. A wolf can pur on sheeps clothing and impress you. Trump isn't a career politician. He speaks his mind. It's refreshing to see a president telling it like it is. While thugs were burning down their own neighborhood, looting even at black own stores, vandalizing police cars etc, being violent and shooting police, Obama did nothing. He was a coward. He was too big of a puss to say it like it is and that they are nothing more than a bunch of animals. We need leadership. Not someone worried about pissing his voters off.



lol. no, that is not what I said. If I were hiring someone to run a business, Id prefer someone with a combination of education AND experience, but that is not a POTUS. America is not a business, but a nation of citizens governed by a democratic republic. We do not have a CEO, Owner or dictator, we have a GOVERNMENT with three branches.

So, for a position of POTUS, I would want someone with a combination of the schooling AND experience in the constitution and three branches of government, over a 'businessman'.

It doesnt take skill to 'speak' your mind, children can do that. Who cares? what is important is knowing what the job entails and having the education and experience to perform those responsibilities. PERIOD. Like with ANY other job.

I think there is a bigger difference between you and I, I think there are several. one is the use of LOGIC. Two is the use of CONSISTENCY.

OBama spoke about the rioting and looting, but without juvenile and divisive finger pointing, he spoke in terms of COMING together, not singling out. How about when Trump did with the Nazis in CHarlottesvill? Was he being a 'coward' to say there were 'good people' on both sides? Or with David Duke and the KKK? Was he being a 'coward' when he didnt call them bigots or racists?

See? Slant and bias color reality and logic, and especially consistency.

Any nine year old can blurt out whatever they are thinking, 'say whats on their mind' and not care about using their words to resolve things, instead of alienate and isolate people with them ,,, but that IS a difference between us, because I hold a POTUS to a higher standard than a nine year old child.






Easttowest72's photo
Thu 11/08/18 11:36 PM
Ms H you should try wondering out in the morning. You will see America come alive with workers. America is very much a business. A man who has been taught to give an inspirational speech can't do a damn thing to help solve our trade deficits. Now can he? The media isn't saying much about the trade war anymore because Trump is doing a good job. Once again, some people are meant to be leaders. Obama should consider pastoring a church or inspirational speeches at schools or AA meetings. But he just didn't do anything for our country. A child could say give food to poor people :sweat_smile:

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Fri 11/09/18 12:49 AM
Edited by indianadave4 on Fri 11/09/18 01:03 AM
The 2008 economic down turn and the banking issues:

Much of what we went through financially did not begin with but received a huge boost by two issues:

1. The ACORN case (Barack Obama Chicago attorney). Fanny Mae and Freddy Mack were forced to give loans to people they knew could not pay them back.
2. Bill Clinton built on this. He pushed bills through congress that opened the credit flood gates. During his administration the Good credit, Bad credit, No credit at all philosophy really took off.

Unwisely, many Americans borrowed themseves into ruin but had Obama, Clinton and Dodd not pushed what they did the downturn, most likely, would not have been as devastating.

The media bragged about the economy being "Red Hot" when Clinton left office. At the time I was saying he and Obama were causing the economy to expand like a balloon (the sides were getting thinner and thinner).

While I have issues with George Bush's administration there was one thing, it "appears", he tried to do. In September of 2006 his secretary of the treasury went before the senate banking committee and stated the president was saying the banking industry needed updated rules because things were getting out of control. Senator Dodd (fortunately for himself and the democrat's retired in 2008) stated "there is nothing wrong with the banking industry". Fortunately I have this CBS news broadcast saved on my laptop as proof. CBS has deleted that news broadcast very conveniently.

Two years later the economy and the banking system fell on it's face and democrat's blamed George Bush for it all. Bush played his part for sure but the democrat's and news media absolutely refuse to even talk about the ACORN case or the part Bill Clinton played in this fiasco.

On top of this George Bush never made any kind of response to the accusations which seems fishy to me. They say past presidents don't get involved in presidential politics which is why Bush was so quiet. However, Dad Bush, Bill Clinton, George Bush and Barack Obama sure haven't observed this "quiet philosophy" with regards to Donald Trump.


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Fri 11/09/18 01:06 AM
Edited by indianadave4 on Fri 11/09/18 01:09 AM
BTW, my early morning AgDay program just came on (Friday, 9 November 2018 4:00am EST).

The opening story:

Chinese soybean imports from USA jumped dramatically! How devastating the Presidents trade policies are for our farmers and the nation.

USMCA (NAFTA replacement) and now China! Can we stand anymore?

msharmony's photo
Fri 11/09/18 01:47 AM

Ms H you should try wondering out in the morning. You will see America come alive with workers. America is very much a business. A man who has been taught to give an inspirational speech can't do a damn thing to help solve our trade deficits. Now can he? The media isn't saying much about the trade war anymore because Trump is doing a good job. Once again, some people are meant to be leaders. Obama should consider pastoring a church or inspirational speeches at schools or AA meetings. But he just didn't do anything for our country. A child could say give food to poor people :sweat_smile:


not really, businesses are only concerned with profit. America is concerned with representing its citizens rights, welfare, and safety, different standards and responsibilities altogether.

PEople work for businesses to get their check. Businesses hire people they pay only because they have to in order to make bank of their own.

America also has prostitutes, but it doesnt make it a brothel.

And again, You are the only one stuck on what speech one is giving, that was not even ONE of my concerns or considerations.

yes, some people are meant to be leaders. We almost hit a second depression, no matter how many times haters try to claim avoiding it was 'nothing' it will not make it true.

poor people and food stamps and assistance ALL EXISTED BEFORE OBAMA was even born, let alone before he became POTUS, so Im also not sure what the point is in bringing that up, YET AGAIN.



Easttowest72's photo
Fri 11/09/18 02:31 AM
Open borders does nothing for security. What did Obama do? He rewarded illegals. Healthcare gets paid for by money. Everything does.

indianadave4's photo
Fri 11/09/18 04:00 PM
Edited by indianadave4 on Fri 11/09/18 04:01 PM

Open borders does nothing for security. What did Obama do? He rewarded illegals. Healthcare gets paid for by money. Everything does.


BTW, saved on my laptop are video files of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Senator Schumer, Nancy Pelosey, Diane Feinstein and Barack Obama stating we need to control our boarders because of illegal aliens between 2005 and 2012.

Why the sudden change in ideology in all of them? Sounds like political orders.

Toodygirl5's photo
Fri 11/09/18 04:10 PM
It will be interesting to know who will run for POTUS in 2020.

Maybe the democrats will have another Crooked Hillary. If they do, I hope she doesn't win. This Country will really be in a Socialist Mess.


indianadave4's photo
Fri 11/09/18 04:47 PM
Edited by indianadave4 on Fri 11/09/18 04:55 PM
Democrat's: continuously upping the tax and spend policies of America which reduces the after taxes take home pay of citizens and profits of companies. A second issue is the continuous increase of regulations hamstringing industry which causes companies to send manufacturing overseas.

Republican's: continuously voting to allow companies and industries to excessively charge the American public. A good example of this are pharmaceutical companies. A prescription pill in the USA costs $10, in Canada it costs less than $2 and $.25 to manufacture and then limit trade so other countries can't compete. Republican's, also, tend to deregulate "to much" allowing industry to cause severe environmental destruction just to make a few $$$.

The democrat approach tends to show up quickly where as the republican, many times, takes years or decades to show up. Both parties should be working for the good of the people with industry second but human nature shows as our national ethics degrade so do the politicians. Most often the political candidates selected are the ones who the party thinks has the best chance of winning rather than the best policies: popularity contest. We get who we "allow to run" and who we "voted in".

Is it any wonder in time they become part of the Washington Swamp?

Again, both the house and senate terms need to be changed. Each term is 4 years with a limit of 2 terms for any one person. No more professional politicians.

msharmony's photo
Fri 11/09/18 08:18 PM
I can agree that senate terms should mirror POTUS.

no photo
Fri 11/09/18 09:03 PM
Democrats Had a Better Election Night Than It First Appeared

"The “blue wave” took a little longer to crest than usual, but after several days of vote counting, it looks like Democrats beat the historical average for the midterm elections.

With more races called since Election Night, Democrats have netted 30 seats in the House and are leading in five others".

http://time.com/5450666/midterms-results-democrats-blue-wave/

indianadave4's photo
Fri 11/09/18 09:15 PM

Democrats Had a Better Election Night Than It First Appeared

"The “blue wave” took a little longer to crest than usual, but after several days of vote counting, it looks like Democrats beat the historical average for the midterm elections.

With more races called since Election Night, Democrats have netted 30 seats in the House and are leading in five others".

http://time.com/5450666/midterms-results-democrats-blue-wave/


Statistically, all midterm elections had house switches except for Roosevelt, Bush and Clinton so it's not abnormal.

In 1938 the democrat's lost 72 seats, in 2010 the democrat's lost 63. See what happens in 2020.

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Fri 11/09/18 09:48 PM
Before getting to excited remember that some of those are what they call Social Democrat's. Quite a bit more socialistic than the garden variety democrat's. They may demand that Nancy Pelosey move the nation further to the left (socialism). This may work against the democratic party which could work for the republican's in 2020.

Wait and see.

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Fri 11/09/18 11:32 PM
Edited by tombraider on Fri 11/09/18 11:47 PM


Well let's just keep praising Obama and Hillary the.. traitors ..fine just great keep it up..but what some don't realize is who the AG is and how long he has had his eye on Hillary and her charity pay to play organization..I would give you all a site that would give you a little insight as to what he is aware of ..not to mention her ties to China ..but some would just complain that I didn't give them the link for whatever various reason that puts me in a bad light..so why bother find it yourselves..

One can only hope that in his pursuit of Hillary Obama finds his way into the fray..So by all means sing your praises for now..for your love of the traitors..as for myself I will just sit back and wait..and watch this new AG go to work..Because the new guy on the block is a BULL DOG and a dog to be feared from what I've uncovered......as for Hillary the traitor...her days are numbered..you can count on that...because Whitaker has been on her trail for quite some time...smile2


WWG1 WGA



as for Trump supporters check out Tracy Beanz on YOUTUBE..the rest should be easy enough..tc...I better not hear a word of no link..lol..

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Sat 11/10/18 12:00 AM
Successful social medicine in Europe

In Italy, the UK, Spain and France, cuts of varying depths are now being introduced. In France, where the health system is usually seen as the best, the budget is exceeded by billions of euros every year: the head of the association of French pharmacies says the system cannot survive more than six years without deep reform. In the UK, the new director of the Care Quality Commission that oversees standards, said after his appointment earlier this year that “the system is on the brink of collapse.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-across-the-world-idUSBRE99S14U20131029

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Democrat's brag about European medicine as a wonderful example for America. The above comments by European leaders disagrees. And this is where democrat's want to take the USA. Looking just beneath the surface shows quite a different story. Strangely the media is rather silent in this area. One wonders why?

The socialist prayer seems to be "our father who art in Washington". We are a much larger nation. Miscommunication and corruption will be a much bigger problem here than in any of the individual countries of Europe.

"Medicare for All"
According to medicare officials they can only screen 1% (in the news broadcast they said less than 1%) of their claims. National insurance companies do a much better job which requires them to have more overhead to perform this. Increasing Medicare's personnel overhead will make it significantly less efficient, especially since it's a government agency. Any time government gets involved inefficiency increases massively. And who pays in the end? The tax payer. Less take home pay for less performance: always. Canadians who live close to the American boarder are coming to America for medical care because the socialistic medical system has left them waiting in long lines while their American counter parts wait less.