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Topic: Iowa student murdered recently
Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Fri 08/24/18 02:19 AM
All illegal immigrants are in the US illegally. That is the Crime. stealing is a crime too, but if a parent puts an object in their kids stroller, do we treat that child as the criminal? marriage licenses have age limits, if an adult forges a birth certificate to marry a minor, do we treat both equally 'criminal'? no. children have no say when their families bring them, they have no culpability, they should not be treated the same as the adult. all situations are not the same, crime or no crime. Crime has levels of intent that impact the repurcussion. Immigration should be no different. The families know and they should be charged and the children sent back.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Fri 08/24/18 02:21 AM
All illegal immigrants are in the US illegally. That is the Crime. stealing is a crime too, but if a parent puts an object in their kids stroller, do we treat that child as the criminal? marriage licenses have age limits, if an adult forges a birth certificate to marry a minor, do we treat both equally 'criminal'? no. children have no say when their families bring them, they have no culpability, they should not be treated the same as the adult. all situations are not the same, crime or no crime. Crime has levels of intent that impact the repurcussion. Immigration should be no different. BTW, no if the parents conceals in the stroller the parent will b getting arrested.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Fri 08/24/18 02:27 AM
Illegals adults and children should be stopped entering States illegally! US has enough lazy non working people to support off taxpayers now !!! Send the illegals that are working back to their homeland. They are here ILLEGAL too. Now they have serial killers.....

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 08/24/18 02:30 AM
All illegal immigrants are in the US illegally. That is the Crime. stealing is a crime too, but if a parent puts an object in their kids stroller, do we treat that child as the criminal? marriage licenses have age limits, if an adult forges a birth certificate to marry a minor, do we treat both equally 'criminal'? no. children have no say when their families bring them, they have no culpability, they should not be treated the same as the adult. all situations are not the same, crime or no crime. Crime has levels of intent that impact the repurcussion. Immigration should be no different. BTW, no if the parents conceals in the stroller the parent will b getting arrested. my point. the adult committed the crime, we dont prosecute the child with them. If they have an available guardian, we release them in their custody.

greeneyes148 Joined Fri 12/25/15 Posts: 5830	Fri 08/24/18 05:05 AM
Has anyone ever come across a positive illegal immigrant story of any kind as I feel those illegal immigrants that come to the USA for a better life will clap and cheer to the rooftops like any normal person would when the illegal immigrant murderer is caught and fully gets what he/she deserves and the victims family also gets Justice too you seem to be glossing over the word "illegal"... What do you mean by glossing over the word "illegal", you misunderstand if I understand you correctly. I'm making the point that some illegal immigrants just like you and me i.e. want a better life for their families but are good people that will hate what happened to that poor murdered woman and also her family suffering like they are now, too. But I wouldn't condemn the son of a KKK member just because his father may have took part in all sorts of violence in that KKK members past. If the USA is like the UK then folk break the speed limit all the time going about their daily lives but they are still good people trying to live their lives as honestly as possible. Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say. I would also say that even illegal immigrants contribute to USA society in good ways. Illegal immigrants are not all bad. Just as all humans on this planet of ours are not all the same, their individuals.....like Illegal immigrants. The USA seems so divided when looked at her from the outside. It's very scary sometimes when we think back over the past 200 years or so, and I think, could history repeat itself yet again..........I say yet again as the Rwandan tragedy is only a few years past in relative terms. I will bow out of this debate. Thanks Would have been nice if you stuck around abit, that way you could have looked at the history of the posts. No one ever said that Mexicans were not welcome in this country...not one poster What WAS said is that illegals are not welcome in this country. why? Because illegals are not vetted.. because we have no idea of their background. because the government has no idea where they are. that's why. And if they want to come to this country to make a better life, come on... we welcome you.. as long as you follow our entry laws. Is that so much to ask? 750,000 aliens apply for citizenship and the right to work in the U.S. every year. And they are not all granted that based on many factors, including .. background checks But because Mexico is a boarder country, they have the right too walk on in and set up house?.. bypassing the process?...WHY? And what message are you sending the other 750,000.. "sorry sucker.. should have just walked in thru Mexico with the others"? And you state that the majority that are here are good people.. and how do you know that when we don't know who they are? Are the 250,000 in prison good people?, MS-13..Good?. And the other 8 million illegals.. of them, how many had records or were gang members in Latin America before they illegally entered our country. Please enlighten me.. how many? Would that young lady still be alive today, if her murder was never here to begin with.. and that is a yes or no answer.. so which is it? Want to talk about the drain illegal aliens puts on our infrastructure.. nah.. to long for me to list.. so just read this.. ok. https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Legal-and-Illegal-Immigrant-Households

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15055	Fri 08/24/18 05:16 AM
All illegal immigrants are in the US illegally. That is the Crime. stealing is a crime too, but if a parent puts an object in their kids stroller, do we treat that child as the criminal? marriage licenses have age limits, if an adult forges a birth certificate to marry a minor, do we treat both equally 'criminal'? no. children have no say when their families bring them, they have no culpability, they should not be treated the same as the adult. all situations are not the same, crime or no crime. Crime has levels of intent that impact the repurcussion. Immigration should be no different. The families know and they should be charged and the children sent back. Exactly !!!

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15055	Fri 08/24/18 05:19 AM
Illegals adults and children should be stopped entering States illegally! US has enough lazy non working people to support off taxpayers now !!! Send the illegals that are working back to their homeland. They are here ILLEGAL too. Now they have serial killers..... Yes ! And this is Terrible. !!!

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Fri 08/24/18 05:26 AM
The family of this woman should sue the govt for not enforcing our laws.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Fri 08/24/18 05:28 AM
The family of this woman should sue the govt for not enforcing our laws. That makes no sense.

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15055	Fri 08/24/18 05:30 AM Edited by Toodygirl5 on Fri 08/24/18 05:33 AM
we dont 'vet' children even when they are legal, they have nothing to 'vet' children should not have their life turned upside down, beyond losing a parent, because of a parents crimes. its just vindictive to treat them the same as the adult who had the choice and knew better. It's vindictive for Adults to sneak into the US illegally with their children and expect the US to SUPPORT their family. It is Criminal and cruel to the people in US who work and don't want their tax money going to ILLEGAL immigrants! Children are NO excuse!! Parents are responsible!!

greeneyes148 Joined Fri 12/25/15 Posts: 5830	Fri 08/24/18 05:37 AM
we dont 'vet' children even when they are legal, they have nothing to 'vet' children should not have their life turned upside down, beyond losing a parent, because of a parents crimes. its just vindictive to treat them the same as the adult who had the choice and knew better. o.k., now I understand so it is o.k. for Mexican parents to just throw their kids across our boarder and say " you raise them" which is exactly what is happening.

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15055	Fri 08/24/18 05:48 AM
Mollie Tibbetts, 20yr old found dead. Student in Iowa was out doing her run and disappeared. Murdered by 24yr old illegal immagrant. CBS Evening News Beautiful young lady. It is time for our President to take drastic actions on these illegals killing our citizens on a regular basis. Totally Agree. !!!

Easttowest72 Joined Tue 04/24/18 Posts: 2169	Fri 08/24/18 05:51 AM
The family of this woman should sue the govt for not enforcing our laws. That makes no sense. Illegals were talking about sueing because their kids were distraught from separation. It makes perfect sense. Children of American parents in jail should sue for being distraught also. Congress is getting paid, police, jails but our laws aren't being enforced.

greeneyes148 Joined Fri 12/25/15 Posts: 5830	Fri 08/24/18 06:56 AM
We should back charge Mexico for the 250,000 illegals we are housing, feeding, giving medical attention to in our prisons. Or at the very least boot their a*s back where they came from. That cost is currently 2 BILLION DOLLARS per year Would that money not be better spent on our kids?

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15055	Fri 08/24/18 07:25 AM Edited by Toodygirl5 on Fri 08/24/18 07:26 AM
We should back charge Mexico for the 250,000 illegals we are housing, feeding, giving medical attention to in our prisons. Or at the very least boot their a*s back where they came from. That cost is currently 2 BILLION DOLLARS per year Would that money not be better spent on our kids? That cost is ridiculously high! We have many poor families in the US , whom the government helps support. NEVER should the US support ILLEGALS !

greeneyes148 Joined Fri 12/25/15 Posts: 5830	Fri 08/24/18 07:36 AM
yep... 2 billion dollars per year to incarcerate the illegal aliens in our prisons. And it comes right out of our pocket.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 08/24/18 09:17 AM
we dont 'vet' children even when they are legal, they have nothing to 'vet' children should not have their life turned upside down, beyond losing a parent, because of a parents crimes. its just vindictive to treat them the same as the adult who had the choice and knew better. It's vindictive for Adults to sneak into the US illegally with their children and expect the US to SUPPORT their family. It is Criminal and cruel to the people in US who work and don't want their tax money going to ILLEGAL immigrants! Children are NO excuse!! Parents are responsible!! again. I agree, parents are responsible, children are not vindictive: having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge. taking it out on kids for what a parents choice was is vindictive.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 08/24/18 09:19 AM
we dont 'vet' children even when they are legal, they have nothing to 'vet' children should not have their life turned upside down, beyond losing a parent, because of a parents crimes. its just vindictive to treat them the same as the adult who had the choice and knew better. o.k., now I understand so it is o.k. for Mexican parents to just throw their kids across our boarder and say " you raise them" which is exactly what is happening. are people this focused on kicking people out of the country that they are ignoring what has been posted MULTIPLE times now no, its not okay for them to tell the us 'you raise them', anymore than melanias family told us to. Melania is SUPPORTED by her husband. Kids who have someone here to SPONSOR/SUPPORT them have no reason to just be sent back. They can be sponsored (like workers or spouses often are) and have an option to do it LEGALLY when they become of age to do so, without fear of deportation unless some reason comes that their request is denied.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 08/24/18 09:21 AM
We should back charge Mexico for the 250,000 illegals we are housing, feeding, giving medical attention to in our prisons. Or at the very least boot their a*s back where they came from. That cost is currently 2 BILLION DOLLARS per year Would that money not be better spent on our kids? how many of those are kids? how many came across the border illegally versus overstayed legal documents? what money will get spent on our kids? most who oppose illegal immigrants also seem to oppose helping 'our kids' with assistance programs too. Their parents need help, too bad, let them work or starve ... right?

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 15055	Fri 08/24/18 02:19 PM Edited by Toodygirl5 on Fri 08/24/18 02:31 PM
we dont 'vet' children even when they are legal, they have nothing to 'vet' children should not have their life turned upside down, beyond losing a parent, because of a parents crimes. its just vindictive to treat them the same as the adult who had the choice and knew better. It's vindictive for Adults to sneak into the US illegally with their children and expect the US to SUPPORT their family. It is Criminal and cruel to the people in US who work and don't want their tax money going to ILLEGAL immigrants! Children are NO excuse!! Parents are responsible!! again. I agree, parents are responsible, children are not vindictive: having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge. taking it out on kids for what a parents choice was is vindictive. Sending them back with their parents is justified.!! Well like I said it was vindictive of the parents to come to US in the first place. Without any Legal paperwork in order. They were criminals. Hundreds sucking up government assistance, here in US. US should have a strong. desire and take action in kicking All Out. Illegal immigrants children are guilty because their parents are! Doesn't matter Kids were babies, when they arrived in US ! NO EXCUSE !! Adult citizens of US use children as their excuse for not working and being on welfare. Another example of NO EXCUSE! Many people raise children and WORK. Illegal immigrants don't need to work in US unless they get Legally documented !!! Yes adults and children were vindictive, when they sneaked across the US boarders to take advantage of US government funds to support themselves. Unreasoning desire to get what they DIDN'T EARN. !!