The controversial Oscar-winning film director told the UK’s Sunday Times he believes Jewish domination of the media has prevented honest discussion about the Holocaust. He also said he thinks Hitler is a misunderstood figure, and hopes his upcoming film about the German dictator will present a more nuanced view of the WWII villain “in context.”
Apparently, the director is peeved that six million Jews get all the attention when Hitler killed a lot more Russians. “Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30 [million killed],” he told the Sunday Times.

https://jewishjournal.com/uncategorized/81598/

Gee, and they say President Trump is a Nazi and a Racist...…..

I never got the memo that Jews should be hated. What they do is their business. What I liked about them, is that they never pushed their religion on other people. Their success is a product of hard work, some sacrifice, and future planning. If you hate them because they're successful and you aren't, then it's your problem- not their's.

Having visited auschwitz recently (auschwitz and the jews thread ) it was a terrible machine the nazis built to dispose of the jews.
Both Europe and the usa plus many other commonwealth countries, Canada, Australia etc suffered losses in there millions. These are very well documented in the west.
As you say lp Russia lost some 25 million people and we don't seem to recognise this!
I'm often ashamed when I see the Russians commemorate there losses and no western leaders attend.
What ever Russia is now (partly made by us ) it is the past that we should remember regardless!
Yes, the jews have a very strong voice.
Now is this more seen because they care?
And is the Russian voice on this matter not listened to because we don't like them now?
Not sure.
Many American and British died in the north Atlantic getting essential supplies to Russia.
Not so long ago they were recognised by Russia with medals, we had snubbed them for years!
As for film makers, well many have an agenda of there own.
Good post

Gee another Anti Semite twisted opinion.
What a shock.

Oliver Stone is taking a page from the Trump Playbook, be controversial and it will sell.

The problem with people like Stone is, history doesn't lie

Hitler was a monster, while Russia depending on whose report you find credible, the Russian academy of science, the Russian ministry of defense among many other agencies and services say that Russia lost between 20 and 25 million people.

Except that it was because of WW2, Hitler's nazis didn't capture all those civilians and military personnel and marched them to death camps and had them exterminated like he did with the Jewish folks.

I dont see how Hitler is a misunderstood figure?

He was a dictator that promoted The völkisch movement built on German scientific theories of racial hierarchy and Social Darwinism, identifying the Germans/Aryan as the master race.

As much as he hated communism and Bolshevism he hated them because of the Jewish influence ( Trotsky, Zinoviev,Kamenev)

I dont see how Hitler was misunderstood?

Just curious, why does the title of this post say "Dem," when the actual story is about a person who's name is NOT "Dem," and who does NOT represent Democrats in any way shape or form?

A typo, perhaps?

Trust if this person WHOEVER they are runs for President, they will say it about him too...

perhaps misunderstood is referring to the perceived lack of coverage of all the Countries impacted by the Holocaust other than Germany.

but with only one ACTUAL quote from this person which may or may not be accurate,, who is to say? The thread title doesn't seem to be included as an actual quote in the OP.

Filmmakers have their own agendas, and you cannot believe everything
Hollywood makes up. Most is about what sells. $$$$$$

Stalin was just as evil and twisted as Hitler. We made a deal with the Devil when we aligned ourselves with Russia.

Oliver Stone has been a very outspoken Democrat for many years endorsing and donating to Clinton, Obama and Sanders just to name a few then criticizes Republicans for being racist warmongers.

You know what their agenda is by who they support and what they donate to!

Definitely but the war could have dragged on for years more and possibly a different outcome if Hitler hadn't tried to fight both fronts!
At the end Churchill did warn Roosevelt about the Russians, I think supplying them was the lesser of the two evils at the time!

Okay, so you can dump on Stone if you want. Just watch out how you do it. What you've done here with this simile, is that you've validated the people who criticize Trump and other Republicans. I doubt you intended that, but logically, that's what you've done here.

This is why I think it's a good idea to avoid trying to make "clever" arguments like this. It's inherent to all "yeah, but THIS guy did it too!" arguments.

I guess he forgot that Hitler didn't kill that many Russians...Stalin has lots of those killed himself...

There were a few things that would have changed the outcome of the war. First Hitler should have waited the extra four to five years until Germany was fully armed. Second he should never have attacked Russia. That made the Germans fight on so many different fronts. Plus if they would have waited until after winter to attack the probable would have been successful against Russia. Stalin thought his Government was going to collapse to the Germans and ordered every Russian Citizen to fight with what ever they could find, if they didn't they were to be killed for cowardice. Also he should have listened to his Generals and top officers instead of playing them off one another.

Well it seems a bit non-sequiteur for Stone to make a comment like Nazism killing more Russians than Jews since the primary qualifier for mass execution on the Eastern Front was being a Russian Jew, the first ghetto massacres were Jewish sectors in occupied Soviet cities and a good number of new inmates at death camps were being shipped from the Eastern Front on the return trip of supply trains, since Himmler himself had noted too much psychological toll on his troops performing mass killings personally, so preferred the use of industry to murder.

However it is certainly true that Soviet intellectuals and public officials of any kind were also marked for summary execution, in fact the Ukrainian SS Gauleiter (provisional governor) remarked in his diary words to the effect, "I like to meet Soviet prisoners over dinner, but if I see one at my table who is my equal I must have him shot immediately."

My point is I think it's splitting hairs to get caught up in how Nazis justified mass murdering civilians in occupied territories when the act itself, no matter who you're doing it to is unjustifiable. Anyone who can build death camps is way beyond any need to split hairs over who they hated the most.

With that said, it is totally fair for Jewish people to make citation of the affair. And equally fair for modern CIS populations to do the same, in turn for their like sufferings. And that each would be more concerned about their own experience, being so incredibly horrific, to be expected to also doll out more emotional energy with sympathy for other demographics that also suffered, unless they were feeling emotionally generous. I mean, say you mourn your own G-Grandparents, maybe you're already drained too much to also mourn your neighbours on their behalf, and all the ones in the next county, the next country and halfway across the continent. Maybe you've only got enough energy to worry about yours, being such a terrible thing, tortured to death, etc. Drain the life out of anyone just thinking about it happening to your own family.

So I don't think we really need to make Israel cry for the CIS nations and vice versa, they've all plenty to cry about for themselves and that's fair.
I think Mr Stone is being a bit sensationalistic if he expects any differently, perhaps as a marketing exercise for his upcoming film.


However I will say that I agree with his contention that Hitler has been popularly misrepresented, although I do not believe it has anything to do with Jewish media ownership, I think well meaning Christians and also good natured secular types are also behind it and I understand perfectly their reasoning, although like Mr Stone I don't personally advocate dishonesty even with good intentions. Explaining what the misrepresentation is and why will clear things up a bit.
Hitler is portrayed as a fool in western propaganda and subsequent media, including current entertainment media bar one film, which was extremely controversial for portraying him as too likable and not foolish enough (the German film Downfall). Even documentarians describe Hitler as foolish, manic, raving, cowardly. Actors portraying him are specifically cast and scripted to be uncharismatic above all, to the extent of being asked to create a distaste among the audience beyond the role of an historical psychopath. The rather ignorant assertion of this tact is that Hitler devotion was a result of Svengali powers and mass hypnosis.
This abandonment of truth and realism is to discourage neo-worship as an antihero, which as the popularity of fictional characters like Darth Vader, or inaccurate depictions of mobsters as rebellious larrikins merely being dealt their hand and making the best of it, shows people can be prone to.

Uncharacterised fact research shows Hitler was certainly a thug and of that, a mere thug, no genius, not even particularly intelligent although at various times, to various degree quite delusional. It also shows he was tough as nails, was the very first to leap over a table and throw the punches in a streetfight and that's where he won most of his fanatical early friendships among combat experienced soldiers and the respect of high ranking officers.
His military record is greatly misrepresented, he volunteered for the single most dangerous field assignment as a message runner, whom were specifically targeted by enemy snipers and expected to sprint across open ground between trench complexes during fire exchange, often skirting or crossing enemy salients. General heroism won his Iron Cross 2nd class and single handedly capturing an enemy machine gun post with nothing but a pistol won him IC 1st class and the offer of promotion and reassignment, which he refused to remain in his dangerous post. It was during this time that some of his most devoted followers from within and outside his company were won and he became popular with introductions. His social networking really started with his fanaticism in the field, although some like his company commander found him unremarkable and didn't understand the popularity. But the section commander did. And it sort of went like that.
During the failed Munich Putsch documentarians often claim he cowardly fled whilst his comrades were killed when facing off against police, eyewitnesses contend however that he attempted to charge at the police line with rounds whizzing over his head and his comrades were forced to drag him away, closing ranks around him as they did so and being wounded/killed in the process.
The description of his streetfight with numerically superior communist rioters at Brunswick talks of a brutal melee in which the nascent brownshirts and Hitler himself readily sustained mortal combat for hours and put down the extremist left wing coup where local police and military were unable to do anything about it. A local Duke and Duchess of the deposed monarchy became fervent Nazi devotees following this battle and this won him more introductions.
He really single handedly fought his way to equal standing among the Freikorps and Stahlhelm, which by comparison were concerted efforts by deposed military infrastructure to provide social order under Treaty restrictions. It is a bit fanciful to assert this was done by foolishness and powers of hypnosis when it is much easier to believe something like that happens with merit. In one explanation you assert everyone is an idiot and the more believable contention is that people aren't stupid and only follow those they have genuine reason to believe in.

And that's both the lesson of Hitler and unfortunately the reason for his misrepresentation. Just as a serial killer can also be a wonderful clown at children's parties and hold down a perfectly healthy family unit and community friendships, whilst they murder compulsively in their spare time; so too Hitler could only have attained his position with genuine merits of character, things to look up to and respect and yet at the same time was a raving psychopath whom was knowingly instrumental in pathological homicides and mediaeval social policies.

I would support an Oliver Stone film portraying a more realistic Hitler because I think in this day and age we need to grow up enough to stop treating the general public like retarded children incapable of thinking for themselves or making conscious decisions. We need to recognize that dangerous people like Hitler don't come from alien spaceships, nor are they the bully victim nobody wants to be, it's just as likely to be the footy quarterback nobody messes with, the successful and charming lawyer everybody likes, the heroic medal winner of an Army Rangers platoon.
When we portray Hitler and his inner circle as foolish buffoons all we're really doing is continuing a nasty tradition of socially victimizing the uncharismatic for no reason other than distaste. Hitler wasn't the little bedwetter you bullied in school, he was the scrapper who knocked you out and spent the next three days ranting about it by himself in the yard. And nobody followed him because they had diminished capacity, it was because they had intelligent reasoning. Goering was a fighter ace and proven tactician and combat leader, Ludendorff was a five star General, Duke and Duchess of Brunswick were educated by the world's best private tutors from birth, etc., etc., etc.
And he was also a raving lunatic, not any kind of genius, completely full of crap in any academic conversation and largely, a psychopath that kind of needed a fairly regular punch in the face and told to stfu if you ask me, but that would be illegal. Misrepresented but not misunderstood I'd say.

And as I said earlier, I perfectly understand why.

I think you are correct, but my line of thinking is Hitler made 3 main mistakes..
1. He had England on its kness, another month or so he would have taken England...he should have finished off England before betraying Russia...
2. He started his Russian attack in the beginning of winter...they lost supply routes from the snow and ice, and his troops were starving and unable to do much without supplies and food, because the Russians were using a "scorched earth" policy while retreating....
3. He should have never declared war on the U.S. till he had more of Europe under his control... He figured the Japanese would keep us busy and destroy most of our naval fleet... But what he didn't understand is how fast we swithed from peace time conversion to full war conversion On our manufacturing of warships and other wartime needs...

Both hitler and stalin were selected and trained and did what they were told to do by their financiers in america and europe. They were willing pawns in the machinations of higher powers who allowed and encouraged them to do their worst. Follow the money/gold.

It still goes on. Every land clearing border changing war or skirmish or terrorist act benefits the financiers no matter who wins or loses; only the rest of the world loses.
Just the same as in casinos, the house always wins no matter who else wins and loses. The owner of the games, or the theatre of war, always wins.

So a film maker upsets some people with their findings and analysis; another film maker will upset some other people with different findings and analysis.
Forget the pawns, get angry with the knights and kings and queens.
Follow the money/gold.