They shouldn't be allowed to buy 4-wheeler and go on cruises with tax payers money. People should only have rights to money they earn. Too many people never doing any better. It's time to stop throwing money out the window. The system isn't working. There needs to be a change. I believe making people work for welfare would make a huge difference.

While April was on her cruise, I was at work. My vacation days went to taking my kids to the Dr and parents day at school. I really can't blame her from enjoying what the govt gift wrapped for her.

I Cant tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

Look, all poor people have a wish to get out of poverty,but wishes and desire are two different things.

Which is why many of them buy lottery tickets and hope for the best, and if they are lucky and win the jackpot, most of them I think I read it was 70% go broke within 5 years of winning it.

Many dont have the skill set, education etc.

Sure geography plays a part but the difference between those who succeed and dont and you call it a outlier is that they dont accept the trends, they have an unbelievable desire to get out,whether its sports, music, education, learning new skills etc.

why not? If they can save up enough on the welfare pittance and THEY choose to forego THEIR needs, they are the ones suffering, not the 'taxpayer'.

People should have rights to money they earn and to basic needs in times when the ECONOMY is such that they are unable to be earning money.

no one is throwing money out the system. there is no country without communities and the people that make them up, and the children of a country are going to be the ones that lead it into the future. if we cannot invest in just helping their parent to survive with them through childhood, shame on us.

Across the MAJORITY of the US, people are ALREADY required to be in some training or work related activity to receive cash benefits.

I dont know how April paid for her cruise, nor do I really care. Her budget is hers, just like everyone else's.

its ONE difference, like the difference between a well known actor and those who dont 'succeed' is that they dont accept trends. for many others, merely not accepting the trends does not result in 'success' no matter how hard they are working

because along with that desire and hard work comes the need to have and understand the right networks and support systems that will AID in those dreams and goals, networks and support systems that many just dont have or get or know HOW to get.

And who said life was fair?

Many people work hard and have a desire to succeed but dont succeed but at least they tried and some falls back on a secondary plan, meanwhile other give up or dont try at all.

I dont know. I didnt say it was fair for sure.

I did respond on the topic of welfare being used to 'lift' people up and how it is not the purpose of welfare, which led to my sharing how most in the USA remain in the same socioeconomic status they are born to.

I dont know. I didnt say it was fair for sure.

I did respond on the topic of welfare being used to 'lift' people up and how it is not the purpose of welfare, which led to my sharing how most in the USA remain in the same socioeconomic status they are born to.

A couple of years ago I worked with 2 teenage mothers. Both lived with family for free. Both were receiving Medicaid and other welfare. I of the mothers was volunteering for overtime and saving for a house. She early went out. The other mom was spending her money going to the club and for a hotel after. The one going to the club got pregnant again and quit her job.
Poverty has a lot to do with choices. I was a teenage mother so I know personally what it takes to pull yourself up out of poverty. It's a lot of hardwork and saving money. Things like clubs and cruises aren't in the formula.

no the purpose of welfare was to provide temporarily relief, not to Lift people up.

Somehow FDR convinced the Americans that welfare is there to help you live,calling for guaranteed benefits for poor single mothers and their children along with other dependent persons.

and when you have bureaucrats who are trained at missing the points because they are too stupid or inept to know any better, hence why you have all this fraud in the welfare system.

And why people dont want to get off of welfare, I mean what is the incentive?

who says people dont want to get off of welfare, but they want to starve or be without shelter even more ...

and again, there is the issue of other RESOURCES and networks to assist like family, acquaintances, friends that some have and many do not...

I think his point is that welfare was never meant to be a long term source of income, not that I'm trying to speak for him, but the democrats learned that to use welfare as a tool to gain support and votes...people are inherently lazy, if there's no reason to get dressed and go look for a job, they won't...and in turn, the democrats bring in migrants to fill these empty jobs positions that the people on welfare refuse to take...

April paid for her cruise and 4-wheelers with eic. It does hurt tax payers because then she was back again for another handout. Like I've said before, I see poor people living better than middle class. I have friends who can't afford to go to the Dr even though they have a middle class income. People voted in Trump because our country is in desperate need of a change.

I dont think democrats have 'used' welfare any more than republicans have, when they speak of it, it is in support, and when republicans have it is against

in fact, 'welfare' has not been much of a political point in decades, since the issues of terrorism or immigrants or English as required language, or religious liberty took the spotlight ..

there is reason to look for a job, IF it is going to meet the basic needs and IF the resources are there to PERFORM the job while making sure dependents have safe and reliable support systems during those hours.

But if one is gonna spend 50 hours away from their family and home every week, a couple hundred on gas, a few hundred on car notes, a hundred on insurance, money for work clothes and childcare, ON TOP of the expenses for rent/mortgage, utilities, food, and connection costs(internet, telephone)

Then wages are gonna factor into the 'motivation' , compared to if one can be home WITH Their children, foregoing transportation, work, and childcare costs and not have to choose between homelessness and starving kids or wages that don't improve their situation and only continue to leave their kids without.

It doesnt work that way. You cant come back as needed for 'handouts' you have a SET budget that you get, and that is ALL you get, you are left to manage it the best YOU can, just like any working person.

It seems you have a bias. If you see poor people living better than middle class, I suggest maybe you dont know everything about their situation or what additional resources or supports they may have HELPING them do a little better.

Welfare is not something thats in need of'desperate' change. its a tool that keeps millions of children with families who may or may not have the other support systems so many take for granted, from being starving and/or homeless.

People stay on welfare year after year and generation after generation. April could have used the money to pay for a home. April isn't the exception to the rule. People can lift themselves out of poverty. When the kids go to school, mom can go to work. But there is no incentive. Why pay for a home with eic when you can get section 8 and go on a cruise? Again no incentive. Yes, it desperately needs to change.

that's exactly my point... What's the incentive of going to get a job if they can sit on their azz all day and play xbox? About to lose your car or home is a good incentive to get off that couch and earn a living

or ... whats the point of getting a job that's not gonna pay you what you need to maintain a job and basic needs ? It helps the employer's bottom line but does next to squat for you.

In the beginning you really aren't any better off. You are basically working for what you used to get for free. That's why people choose to stay on welfare. But as time goes by you get raises at your employment and your home eventually gets paid off, and the kids become adults.

that is why some people are poor Miss harmony its that type of thinking is why people are indigent.

Look, An employers job isn't to make your life better, the employer or business owner job is to profit, that is why people are hired to assist him or her to make profit because they provide surplus value, and for their labour they are paid "wages".

The more skill and value one has the more they are paid, do you know who the highest paid people in the world are?
take a guess?

This may shock you but, Problem solvers are the highest paid people in the world in the majority of industries.

Flipping burgers and stocking shelves in a retail store isn't problem solving.




you pretty much said what I was thinking and about to say Mightymoe.

I was a married "single mom". I had some people who put me down because I worked a lot. They said I should go on welfare and be a stay at home mom. But I knew that my family would be better off with me working and paying a mortgage. My kids grew up with a work ethic. I gave my daughter that house I paid for when she was growing up. I couldn't have done that if I had went on welfare. From what I'm seeing, the women who raised kids on welfare, are now attempting to get disability. The kids are grown and they haven't acquired anything and still need the welfare benefits.