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Topic: Eric Holder for president?
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Mon 02/12/18 03:01 PM
Eric Holder for president?

Former Obama Attorney General Eric Holder raised eyebrows last week when he said that he may run for office, as in the Oval Office, and he’d make his final decision by the end of the year. Given the trail of abuse and misconduct he left in his wake at the Justice Department, the opposing ads pretty much write themselves.

His time in the Obama administration was plagued with corruption that left a stain on the Justice Department, and he resigned with a dark cloud of scandal hovering over him.

Holder is the first Cabinet appointee to be held in contempt of Congress for not turning over documents relating to the Department’s Fast and Furious scandal. The scandal permitted the sale of assault weapons to drug cartels in Mexico as a way to supposedly track them.

However, it was later discovered from internal communications that it was all just a front to win political points in the gun debate. Holder thought if the Obama administration could devise a dangerous enough situation, then they would be in a position to demand more gun laws.

While they were busy trying to score political points with assault weapons, people died. People like Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, who was killed with one of the almost 2,000 guns the Justice Department sold, but then failed to keep track of through the program.

Holder’s Justice Department was also embroiled in an IRS political persecution scheme that purposely targeted conservative and Tea Party groups who applied for tax-exempt status. Their applications were stalled, sometimes for years, while IRS agents probed for additional information that was inappropriate and out of the ordinary. Last year, the IRS admitted to the wrongdoing in court and publicly apologized.

However, in 2015, the Obama Justice Department, headed by Holder until Loretta Lynch replaced him in April of that year, announced they would not prosecute anyone at the IRS for the scandal. Their reasoning? Apparently after investigating they said no evidence was uncovered “that any IRS official acted based on political, discriminatory, corrupt or other inappropriate motives that would support a criminal prosecution.”

But of course there was no evidence, because the IRS destroyed countless hard drives containing the evidence. The apparent crime was bad enough, but Holder’s cover-up was even worse.

Eric Holder has a history of scandal and corruption that will follow him into any public office that he pursues. He tarnished our Justice Department with reckless discrimination, questionable judgement and outright lawlessness.

However, if Holder wants to run, bring it on. He’s given Republicans all the campaign material they need.

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Mon 02/12/18 03:10 PM
nowadays there's ample 'material' for either side to nitpick about.




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Mon 02/12/18 03:20 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Mon 02/12/18 03:21 PM

nowadays there's ample 'material' for either side to nitpick about.
nitpick? He sold guns to drug runners.

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Mon 02/12/18 03:23 PM
He sounds like a perfect candidate for the Democratic party.

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Mon 02/12/18 03:35 PM

He sounds like a perfect candidate for the Democratic party.


I agree

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Mon 02/12/18 03:46 PM


nowadays there's ample 'material' for either side to nitpick about.
nitpick? He sold guns to drug runners...

drugs were sold to drug runners, its called a sting, it happens in law enforcement, they often try to defend themselves as being entrapped. It was a decision that is part of his job. Just as it was Oliver Norths under Reagan to do something very similar.

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Mon 02/12/18 03:58 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 02/12/18 03:58 PM
Holder didn't do anything others before him didn't also do, others who would still have had the support of their supporters. Scandals can be made of anything when people are not held to consistency or facts.

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Mon 02/12/18 04:02 PM
Run, Eric! Run!
No really, RUN!


Wait!
President of what?

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Mon 02/12/18 04:22 PM
Edited by alleoops on Mon 02/12/18 04:32 PM

Then lets say Holder didn't do anything others before him didn't also do, others who would still have had the support of their supporters. Scandals can be made of anything when people are not held to consistency or facts.


yes, and Holder is responsible for all scandals that
he is responsible for.
Question is, because of that, would he make a good presidential
candidate?

So far, three of us have said yes.

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Mon 02/12/18 04:54 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 02/12/18 04:55 PM
well, if the question regards an assumption that a 'good presidential candidate' has to be 'scandal' free, we would not have our current President, would we?

so, its a very subjective measure, depending upon what one chooses to see as a 'scandal' or not.

I would say I would need to research his skill and knowledge base for the job, like any other open position. HE may be good or not, but its certainly not determined by how 'scandal free' he is anymore than it has been determined that way for any other presidential hopeful or president.

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Mon 02/12/18 05:07 PM
I know what happened as part of a plan to reach higher players in the gun running game, it was nothing new or unique.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

I am not defending anything, just stating it was more operational tactic than scandal.


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Mon 02/12/18 05:08 PM

Would Erick Holder be a good candidate for President?



Considering how low the bar has become, I know of no reason yet that he would not be.

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Mon 02/12/18 05:09 PM

Considering how low the bar has become, I know of no reason yet that he would not be.


great! Let's hope he runs then.

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Mon 02/12/18 05:11 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 02/12/18 05:18 PM
Lets hope more sane people vote this time, and that at least one candidate is a qualified grown up, regardless of who runs.

Robxbox73's photo
Mon 02/12/18 05:24 PM
Eric Holder for President???
Hold on.....

rofl rofl rofl :laughing: rofl rofl rofl

Oh wait....your serious....in that case...
Let me laugh harder...

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Mon 02/12/18 05:31 PM

Lets hope more sane people vote this time, and that at least one candidate is a qualified grown up, regardless of who runs.


That depends on what you believe what "sane" is.

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Mon 02/12/18 06:27 PM



Would Erick Holder be a good candidate for President?

Considering how low the bar has become, I know of no reason yet that he would not be.

great! Let's hope he runs then.


laugh laugh

Yes !!

Argo's photo
Mon 02/12/18 06:34 PM
Holder for president ?....why ?

because he's not a tears crybaby hypocrite...

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Tue 02/13/18 04:29 PM

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Tue 02/13/18 04:35 PM



nowadays there's ample 'material' for either side to nitpick about.
nitpick? He sold guns to drug runners.

drugs were sold to drug runners, its called a sting, it happens in law enforcement, they often try to defend themselves as being entrapped. It was a decision that is part of his job. Just as it was Oliver Norths under Reagan to do something very similar.
stings involve arrests... So who was arrested?

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