Some people are just violent.

Years back I knew a guy completely ruled by his Wife. She beat him almost daily.

Everything is not Black and White?.
Even some records are inaccurate.
History is being re-written daily for example. Science absolutes being adjusted often!!!

During most confrontations there is an aggressor and a victim.
Sometimes who is what gets cloudy...confused.

Don't most say "He/She started it"?
No matter accuracy stories carry long and far. Sometimes even innocent are convicted. I have been told Domestic violence is pretty much un-defendable. Maybe similar to child sex abuse.

One can be tried, convicted and executed via social media BS in matter of hours. Most could care less about Truth and Justice. There is new definitions of Justice daily. Truly means revenge?

its a COMPARISON

the NFL and the POLICE have domestic abusers amongst them, yet one is having the whole INDUSTRY singled out as responsible for 'supporting' it based upon their responses while the other continues to be revered and have those incidents seen solely as the INDIVIDUAL situations they are regardless of the possibility that it has more of a preponderance of said 'abuse' and just as poor of a response .....

Huh?

Based on the article snippet from the OP this seems it could be reworded as:

"I just wonder the logic behind deciding all football players should be penalized because of domestic abusers existing within the NFL in some cases, and football players continue to be revered in spite of domestic abusers in law enforcement."


And my mother used to say I had to eat my peas because there were starving children in Africa.
How dare she marginalize the starving in the U.S. or China or India or Iraq!
How dare she give to Unicef, especially when she sometimes skipped meals to make sure her kids had enough to eat!
Where is the logic behind the decision?!

I just wonder the logic behind the decision of the U.S. giving aid to foreign countries or local natural disaster areas when there are local problems and foreign countries suffering too!



Are you suggesting Trump create an agency to monitor appropriate levels of social outrage and industry response?
Maybe start a website that says something like:
"Okay, the level of domestic abuse in the NFL is lower than the national average, but the level of domestic abuse among police families is higher (according to studies 25-35 years old, comprised of less than .05% of a population, from one state, using terms that aren't really defined).

NFL domestic abuse deserves outrage level magenta.
Cop domestic abuse deserves outrage level chartreuse.

Therefore we will moderate and influence all mainstream and social media to make sure the correct amount of reporting engendering outrage, and subsequent 'organic' outrage, is focused on what we've now legally defined as adequate relevancy and equitability.

If private and/or public organizations respond to social outrage in ways that do not match our defining deserved outrage levels we shall use IRS agents to seize funds and compel appropriate relevancy compliance.

Please click on the FAQ for guidelines and help section to notify us if you see any individual, group, or business, allocating outrage, and outrage response, inappropriately.
If you see something, say something!"

I think the only real difference, is that the POLICE don't have a single, nationally televised industry for profit, based in part on the detailed lives of the players. The NFL does. So the concerns about it are addressed differently.

Are you really saying that you would like to see the entire idea of having a police force, be questioned because spousal abuse takes place amongst them? That is what is going on with the NFL.

I have never seen anyone of consequence declare that spousal abuse by police officers should be IGNORED, because they are police officers.

The NFL profit is based upon ATHLETES playing football, and being quite aggressive in those goals.

I dont know how much of their 'detailed' lives matters.

But what Im saying is that PEOPLE involved in domestic abuse may or may not be charged and may or may not be convicted, regardless of their occupation. And if people being accused of domestic abuse doesnt taint one profession, why should it taint another.

Im saying if someone is involved in domestic abuse or allegations of domestic abuse, in EVERY occupation the employers have discretion of how to handle it.

The profession of police man is revered, and noone dares taint it by highlighting instead the domestic abuse some of its members are suspected of or their employers reaction to it even though the 'details' of how well they abide by the laws they keep should possibly matter.

In contrast, the profession of pro football player has been attacked by the public and sponsors highlighting the domestic abuse some of its members are suspected of and their employers reaction to it even though no part of making touchdowns and tackles has anything to do with abiding by any laws except on the court.

Interesting....why not compare military, doctors, politicians?

There is domestic violence everywhere. I can't hold a whole organization accountable

It is an individual thing. We don't hold all doctors accountable for rape, right?

The reason again, for the difference in how this is being addressed, has to do with the structure of the things. The NFL is being judged as a whole, for two main reasons:

* one is the usual misunderstanding by idealists who fail to bother to investigate what they proceed to attack;

* the second, is that the NFL as a single unit, itself is in charge of policing it's members or not. For many years, they chose NOT to address such concerns. Now they are being called upon to do so. The "Police" are not a single structure, hence they can't be as directly called upon AS a single enterprise, to do so.

Now. A certain amount of this, as usual, is due to media fad. The reason for the recent fad concerning spousal abuse in the NFL, is probably mostly a result of the existence of newer technology that allows everyone to be directly shown the abuses taking place. Also, it came to be an issue in connection with previous fad foci, first on the use of performance enhancing drugs (steroids in particular), and then on various violent tragedies which may have been a result of head injuries within the sport.

Perhaps the reason why spousal abuses amongst the police and other groups is not as focused, simply because we don't have video recordings of the abuses occurring.

I don't agree with the stats. Example: Cowboys Ezekiel Elliott. No charges filed because of "conflicting and inconsistent information." Did he assault her or was it thw woman making things up for money, attention, fame, whatever? The NFL tried to auspend him even without charges. Thwy fought that

Btw...I come from a military family and have friends and family that are active or retired cops. They don't condone these things. Can't hold all for the actions of a few

that's my point exactly. People do what people do, in every occupation. Hold them accountable. And if they aren't being held accountable then either support that decision or dont but be consistent is my point.

I want to see domestically disabled/emotionally disabled people have an opportunity to seek help without the demonization, personally.

and after thinking about my own standards for consistency, I would like to see the NFL members do more to bring awareness to the issue and accountability to those among them with this problem. Same as I do with police or any other group who have these issues highlighted, especially as a way to directly address and bring their victims or victims loved ones closure and acknowledgement.

Then why the NFL or police? Sorry but the point isn't clear

The NFL is responsible? The PD is responsible?

the police and the NFL are in the news for conduct of its members.

neither the police nor NFL can control what its people choose to do in their personal lives . They can only react to it when it is brought to their attention.

They should react by holding those members to some accountability towards those they have harmed.

In the NFL, that means those individuals owe something to THEIR spouse, which I personally would believe it best to help them instead of take away the livelihood that may be providing for that same 'wronged' person.

In the Police Force, that means individuals owe something to the FAMILIES of those they harmed, namely acknowledgement of the harm and efforts to improve the likelihood of it happening again in the future so someone else.

well thought out responses, as usual.

and always there are other 'possibilities'. I tend to not believe it has to do with video recordings though, for the fact that few, Id dare to say only two or three of the recordings of actual INCIDENTS while happening exist or are shown. All that seems necessary is the allegation.

In any case, it sucks IMHO for an entire occupation of individuals to be judged as if they are all accountable for every other individual in the occupation or responsible for their actions. IMHO all we can do is to hold INDIVIDUALS(in all occupations) accountable for their actions and hold them accountable TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE. And by 'we' I mean those who are outsiders/observers AND those who are fellow colleagues.
And by 'the right people' I mean those DIRECTLY and individually suffering or harmed by someone elses choice of action, not fans or general public or observers of media.

Men who hit women are like dogs that bite.. they don't do it just once. It is a sever character flaw that personally I don't think can be fixed.

I think aggression is aggression and doesnt change or not change based upon gender, but rather upon the persons interest in changing it.

My ex hit me ONE NIGHT< got help and it never happened again. Everyone can change. Hitting is hitting regardless if its same sex or not and people can learn to control it if they want to.

you have no idea if your ex has hit after your separation or will hit in the future. You have no idea if that trigger inside him with go off again. And you will always have that physiological question of " what if"

And not to bring up bad memories but from what you posted on this subject way back, he knocked you flat out cold. That is a big hard hit. And must have been a terrible experience.

The damage done to the women's mental health heals a hell of a lot slower then the physical wounds.

Most women never report it and for most, unfortunate it is a reoccurring thing.

I have as much idea as you do that they 'never change'
Im giving my actual experience. It happened once and never happened again. we worked on OUR relationship so that it didnt happen again.

inability to forgive is as difficult to overcome as hitting, but it can be done and varies with each individuals priorities and interests.

psychological damage can happen with harsh words, and noone worries much if a man is 'insulting' or non pc about whether he will continue to be.

and psychological 'damage' from a one time and off character event is quite a bit different than prolonged exposure to repeated abuse.

things that are damaged can be repaired, they can even be improved with time.

and by the way EVERY dog will bite if provoked by the right thing in the right situation. Its a reflex and humans have their own reflexes when attacked by each other.

each relationship starts over and has its own hurdles to overcome.

Hmmm..so the woman provokes.. and the man knocks her out.. As opposed to walking away.

In my opinion it is a severe character flaw. I belief once you hit a woman.. you will do it again. And I feel that once you are a sex offender.. that their is no " cure" for that either.

Someone PAID to go on a field and knock down grown men on the regular, just might KNOCK SOMEONE OUT if provoked, there is a character flaw in a grown person , male or female, who doesn't realize this or who does realize it but still puts their hands on them

And in general, there is a character flaw in anyone, male or female, who hits or spits at another person. A flaw with potential consequences of being hit back.

and each situation is different. The devil is in the details.

imho

Someone PAID to go on a field and knock down grown men on the regular, just might KNOCK SOMEONE OUT if provoked
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Like Ray Rice?...Is that who you are talking about? did ya see the tape on that. His wife may have been giving him some lip service but she wasn't hitting him and that doesn't warrant being knocked out cold for... does it?

And it wasn't football that made him do that.. it was him.