Abra says,



well if it is good enough for Abra, it is good enough for me!
QED

feralcatlady,

Hey you want to believe in bigotry, slavery, hate and violence, then go right ahead.

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it." Bible, Matthew 10, 34-39

As far as finding proof of the bible, you find me a huge boat with feces of every animal in the world on the deck and then we'll talk.

Feral as well they had signs of Sodom and Gamora being destoryed as was described in the bible. The bilding had collapsed over the people as though somthing demolished them from the skys. This is also interesting.

You seem to notice this as well? It seems we provide the knowledge, someone spends time talking down on God as though, they were hurt by someone not granting thier blessing so they turned around and ran, and cursed God for not giving them what they wanted. I dont blame them for being mad.

KalamazooGuy87

Actually most of us are happy, that's why we're laughing while some of you don't seem to get the joke. I'm curious as to what knowledge you think you're giving us? I'm also curious as to what your definition of knowledge is?

Laughing at someone, comedians tell jokes becasue they are insecure with themselves, or use jokes to cover somthing up..

So laughing at someone else belifes or joking about it, seems kinda close-minded which is why i come up with such assumption.

Happiness is relative, Most of us are happy, then again how happy is your happy? That can get dragged on so ill leave it there.


Define Knowledge

Actually a lot of comedians use jokes to enlighten people, if you don't believe me look at Richard Pryor, Bill Hicks and Lenny Bruce. What we are laughing at is the fact that you just don't get it. Hey i want what you want, a world of peace and happiness, i just think we don't need a god which isn't present to get to that point. I'm happy and secure with my life and my beliefs, why? Because i'm not driven by an invisible force that doesn't exist. I live my life by my standards not a book's.

We dont need a God. Maybe we dont but think about somthing. What started the universe before matter and before Engery,, yes yes thiere Eternal, yet they didnt appear in the begining of time. Right? What thing that doesnt apply to "the rules" made the first action which allowed the gears of life to roate and build what there is today

OKay fine you're right. But by that same standard, where did god come from? Who said there was a time when there was no energy and matter? What says that it all wasn't all completely random?

First off skot.....you must understand what you are reading...because if you did....then this would simply not be a post I would be addressing.

First off this is Jesus speaking to his disciples right before sending them off to do His work.

Now for the scripture you are referring to. Matthew 10: 34-39
You should of also listed the previous scripture 33 which states "But whoever shall deny Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father. And as far as 34-39 this is Jesus saying what will happen to all if they don't put the Father God first. This is not taken literally it is meant to say that any man who doesn't love God more will be set against his own Father and same as said with mother and daughter and mother and daughter in law.

Indicating that anyone who loves anyone else more then ME (Jesus) or my Father (God) Is not worthy of either the Father nor the Son.

Now here is a good example of this. My daughter one day after church (she was 7 at the time) Said mom can I tell you something and promise not to get mad. I said of course honey what is it. She said I love God more then you....I looked and her and said Praise God....and told her thats how it should be. Now I didn't take that ever that my daughter didn't love me....she just loved God/Jesus more.....

There are many many that we could list. Which depending I might just do.

GOD IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE

Archaeological discoveries that prove the Bible is base on history not that history is based on the bible.

Archaeologist also proved the Greek mythological tale of the Trojan War but that doesn't mean that the mythological tale is acturate to what actually happened in history. Greek won the war and wrote "tall tale" stories to promote their version of events.

Like wise Christianity won a great deal of people in terms of religious fallowing. But like the Greeks it's their version of "tall tales" and not the actual events that they preach.

Any intelligent archeaologist knows this when interperating the any bias text. They only find some grains of truth in Biblical stories when it relates to archeaoloigical finds but sometimes those same findings go in conflict with elements in Biblical stories.

God comes from- This is why i say "someone" that does not apply to the rules. There has to be somthing that does not follow the rules of life. Action reaction theory. I agree with such Theory however example using math

0= begining of time

0+0+0+0+0=0 NO change in life now we add God
0+1+2+4+8+16,ect.

The begining of time there is nothing besides God. Whatever he may have done, maybe touch the earth creating the matter =), who knows. And from then on "Evolution" "Newtons laws" "gravity" all come into play. There is common ground with religion and Science we just have to realize that for science to exists somthing that doesnt apply to "science" must exist


Skot there are somethings our brain is not powerful enough to understand. As wel

feralcatlady

"And as far as 34-39 this is Jesus saying what will happen to all if they don't put the Father God first. This is not taken literally it is meant to say that any man who doesn't love God more will be set against his own Father and same as said with mother and daughter and mother and daughter in law. "

Not to be taken literally? How do you know this? How do you know what it is "ment" to say. Don't you think that god would be able to clarify what he means, i mean being the creator of language and all.

Either it's the EXACT word of god or not at all. You can't say anything good that happens is literal and anything that's bad is not to be taken literally.

Oh and please feralcatlady list more "Archaeological Discoveries That Prove The Bible Writings " please.

"Okay fine you're right. But by that same standard, where did god come from? Who said there was a time when there was no energy and matter? What says that it all wasn't all completely random?"


"GOD IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE"

Oh right that explains it. Thank you for that scientific proof, It just is. Sorry but CAPS DON'T MAKE A CASE.

KalamazooGuy87

"There is common ground with religion and Science we just have to realize that for science to exists somthing that doesnt apply to "science" must exist."

Not too sure how i feel about that. Maybe, maybe not, but what says that a god, any god, had anything to do with it?

Skot there are somethings our brain is not powerful enough to understand. As well.

But since we were created in god's image you'd think he'd give us the knowledge to understand. So was it a design flaw? If so wouldn't that made god an inperfect being? Wouldn't that contradict that god is all powerful? Wouldn't that prove there isn't a god?

I have posted with you about for science to exists there had to be somthing to start science. The laws we have in place of science "Action Reaction statement" There had to be somthing that doesnt apply to "science" in order for it to exist.
Skot there are somethings we will not beable to grasp since somthings are never 100% certain and becasue it is not there must be faith in some things. What ever it may be is up for you to decide.



If we knew all would we then be God? If we knew all we wouldnt need God. WE are given the opportunity to be "perfect" however. We have a choice on wether or not to sin. As we all are humans we are curious and to be honest enjoy the pleasures evil has to offer. IM saying that by no means am i a perfect or claim to be such. I have plently of flaws that i am aware of, and becasue i am such a christian i work on trying to become a better christian/human. Christianity isnt about instant change, its change over your gradual life.

Because sweets I have studied the Bible for a very long time. I am in the word every single day. The single most problematic thing I see with people....Is misinterpreting scripture. I study the original text and I learn exactly what the meaning is. Now for the most part it's pretty clear, but with what you posted for example it could be looked at different ways. This particular scripture is Jesus instructing his twelve apostles before they go and preach for Him. Its also a mistake for people to only take one lil piece of the scripture and try to understand it....you can't do that. You have to read the entire context of the word in order to see what the instruction was. Either from God or Jesus thats what the Bible is......It's an instruction of how man should be.
If you read all of chapter 10 it might make it a little more clear what Christ was telling his disciples.

Now again as you were given free will....you can believe whatever you want.....for me God is the reason for science......God already knows everything...but man being man wants to know. You think it was an accident that the great scientist we have we have....no God was there as with the writers of the Bible....He knew who and who not to let through His divine inspiration know things. Just as even nowadays.....This has become one of my favorite scriptures for one line. Read Matthew 11: 25-29 and tell me what that means to you...... Also reading this scripture Skot will answer your last paragraph.

Feral- in response to what you said about minunderstood scripture i totally agree.. A good example is reading a book.... unless you read the book from start to finish the book will not make sence, Some people will quote the bible yet not continue to read after the quote they posted. The bible makes secne its just people dont want to spend time reading such a book

thats very true...and it's so easy to take it out of context...I probably post about 15 a day to people who take scripture out of context......Study it....learn it.....read it....If you could imagine reading a book 10,000 times over and over your bound to understand it a whole lot more then googling passages to try to make a point. I always have my bible right next to me whenever I am speaking about it.

Also Kalamazoo a special invitation to come and visit Christian Coffeehouse Chat....You will love the ppl there....great great ppl.....who teach me every day. Debbie

Indeed i spend much of my time here when i too need to learn more about what i am preaching about. I seem to totally agree about the googling of passages =). I seemed to have come up with that assumption myself. Ill definatly give that a shot