Topic: Sanctuary cities?
yellowrose10's photo
Fri 03/31/17 08:19 AM


I agree. If you can't follow laws (federal) and want to claim states rights....don't take federal money. Get it from your state. Not that THAT will last long. The rest of the country shouldn't have to pay for illegal activities


Even if they don't take the money Federal Law still trumps State Law. Just like the voters voting to make Marijuana illegal here in Nevada, if President Trump wanted to he could shut that down, and he has made comments that he will.


But the money stayes with states correct?

mightymoe's photo
Fri 03/31/17 10:27 AM
Texas is now talking about arresting city leaders who don't follow the governments rules on sanctuary cities... Look out Austin and Dallas...maybe Houston...lol

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/31/17 10:38 AM

Seems like more proof there's no real difference between left and right.
Politicians, or governed.

I mean:
"Sheriff Joe Arpaio! We're the Obama administration! You can't enforce federal immigration laws! That's our purview to ignore or enforce! You must adhere to federal law, we are suing you and will cut off support!"
"Go ahead an sue! Go F' yourself! We'll do what we want!"

"Sanctuary cities! We're the Trump administration! You can't ignore federal law! That's our purview to ignore of enforce! You must adhere to federal law! We will cut off support!"
"Go ahead! Go F' yourself! We'll do what we want!"


Arpaio was pursued for PROFILING, regardless of citizenship status, not for following immigration laws..


msharmony's photo
Fri 03/31/17 10:42 AM

Those "Academic Scholars" wouldn't be biased would they?

Yea, right.laugh


as biased as anyone posting opinions here,,,

except they are paid based upon some sense of their actual credibility.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 03/31/17 11:51 AM



I agree. If you can't follow laws (federal) and want to claim states rights....don't take federal money. Get it from your state. Not that THAT will last long. The rest of the country shouldn't have to pay for illegal activities


Even if they don't take the money Federal Law still trumps State Law. Just like the voters voting to make Marijuana illegal here in Nevada, if President Trump wanted to he could shut that down, and he has made comments that he will.


But the money stayes with states correct?


If the funding isn't pulled then it does. All's I am saying is President Trump should invoke the Supremacy Clause and enforce the Federal Laws in the states that refuse to comply.

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 03/31/17 11:54 AM




I agree. If you can't follow laws (federal) and want to claim states rights....don't take federal money. Get it from your state. Not that THAT will last long. The rest of the country shouldn't have to pay for illegal activities


Even if they don't take the money Federal Law still trumps State Law. Just like the voters voting to make Marijuana illegal here in Nevada, if President Trump wanted to he could shut that down, and he has made comments that he will.


But the money stayes with states correct?


If the funding isn't pulled then it does. All's I am saying is President Trump should invoke the Supremacy Clause and enforce the Federal Laws in the states that refuse to comply.


Illegals have been illegal even before Trump. What I am saying is....if a city is a sanctuary city, that is the cities policy so they should fund it, not federal when the federal goverment has said it's illegal. Just like with pot....yes that is a state thing but just because someone has a card doesn't mean they can go anywhere in the country and it would be legal.

no photo
Fri 03/31/17 12:52 PM



I agree. If you can't follow laws (federal) and want to claim states rights....don't take federal money. Get it from your state. Not that THAT will last long. The rest of the country shouldn't have to pay for illegal activities


Again, you and others continue to ignore the fact that the states who are having trouble over this, ARE OBEYING THE LAW. They are being called upon NOT TO OBEY THE LAW. And to ignore the Constitution.

They are calling for the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to obey IT'S OWN LAWS, and the Feds are refusing to do so.

And you are calling for them to stop obeying the law, and the Constitution, because you believe political propaganda designed to use your patriotism and opposition to crime, to trick you into setting aside your support for Constitutional government.




and just how are they ignoring the constitution? when they turned the FEDERAL law legal drinking age to 21, they withheld federal highway funds to any state that didn't comply... eventually, they all did..

same thing, the government controls the federal laws, and the states to control and enforce them... if a bank robber robs a federal bank, is it only feds who chase and arrest them? .. no, it's all police that do...


He was talking about the "Delusional Constitution". The one that only liberals comprehend. They use it occasionally when they think no one is paying attention to them.
smile2

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/31/17 12:59 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 03/31/17 01:00 PM
Is there a 'federal' definition of what constitutes a 'sanctuary city'?

And, when 'funding' is threatened to be pulled, where is it pulled from? The people that enforcing the law is allegedly going to help?

and if so, how does that make sense?

what would make sense is specific citing of specific laws and prosecuting the breaking of the law, like with anyone else.

mightymoe's photo
Fri 03/31/17 01:19 PM

Is there a 'federal' definition of what constitutes a 'sanctuary city'?

And, when 'funding' is threatened to be pulled, where is it pulled from? The people that enforcing the law is allegedly going to help?

and if so, how does that make sense?

what would make sense is specific citing of specific laws and prosecuting the breaking of the law, like with anyone else.


the government wants the police to notify them of illegals they put in their jails, not much more than that...i really can't see a valid argument to this, as they have already broken two laws if they are in jail, being here illegally and whatever they in jail for...

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/31/17 01:56 PM
IF that is true

the only issue I see is disparate profiling treatment


I have not been arrested , but to my understanding, they generally have not required you to prove your citizenship when you are,, only to provide your identity,,,

but I could be wrong,,

mightymoe's photo
Fri 03/31/17 02:01 PM

IF that is true

the only issue I see is disparate profiling treatment


I have not been arrested , but to my understanding, they generally have not required you to prove your citizenship when you are,, only to provide your identity,,,

but I could be wrong,,


oh well... if the police are looking for a black man with a white shirt, i don't think they are gunna be stopping a lot of white guys, now are they?

the gangsters got you on board with the profiling crap, because it really doesn't exist but in the minds of criminals and those who believe the criminals are right... the criminals don't wanna be stopped, but yet they are:

they live in a high crime area
they just fit the description
they actually did it...

all the whining about profiling won't stop the police from doing their jobs, they have to profile to get criminals of the streets...

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/31/17 02:08 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 03/31/17 02:09 PM


IF that is true

the only issue I see is disparate profiling treatment


I have not been arrested , but to my understanding, they generally have not required you to prove your citizenship when you are,, only to provide your identity,,,

but I could be wrong,,


oh well... if the police are looking for a black man with a white shirt, i don't think they are gunna be stopping a lot of white guys, now are they?

the gangsters got you on board with the profiling crap, because it really doesn't exist but in the minds of criminals and those who believe the criminals are right... the criminals don't wanna be stopped, but yet they are:

they live in a high crime area
they just fit the description
they actually did it...

all the whining about profiling won't stop the police from doing their jobs, they have to profile to get criminals of the streets...



what are you talking about

I do not mean looking for an ACTUAL suspect who has an ACTUAL physical description


I mean lumping an entire demographic into a certain category of suspect, merely by belonging to that demographic


and no, there are no gangstas in my family, in fact, my brother is a doctor and STILL experiences the profiling, REGARDLESS of the community he is in



it's easy to not believe it exists if you or none you love lives it,,,

Id love police to continue doing their job of catching actual criminals, and not just ASSUMING ones membership in a demographic makes them one,,,

mightymoe's photo
Fri 03/31/17 02:18 PM



IF that is true

the only issue I see is disparate profiling treatment


I have not been arrested , but to my understanding, they generally have not required you to prove your citizenship when you are,, only to provide your identity,,,

but I could be wrong,,


oh well... if the police are looking for a black man with a white shirt, i don't think they are gunna be stopping a lot of white guys, now are they?

the gangsters got you on board with the profiling crap, because it really doesn't exist but in the minds of criminals and those who believe the criminals are right... the criminals don't wanna be stopped, but yet they are:

they live in a high crime area
they just fit the description
they actually did it...

all the whining about profiling won't stop the police from doing their jobs, they have to profile to get criminals of the streets...



what are you talking about

I do not mean looking for an ACTUAL suspect who has an ACTUAL physical description


I mean lumping an entire demographic into a certain category of suspect, merely by belonging to that demographic


and no, there are no gangstas in my family, in fact, my brother is a doctor and STILL experiences the profiling, REGARDLESS of the community he is in



it's easy to not believe it exists if you or none you love lives it,,,

Id love police to continue doing their job of catching actual criminals, and not just ASSUMING ones membership in a demographic makes them one,,,


so what? i've gotten profiled... i thanked the cop for doing his job and went on my way... whats your uncles problem?

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/31/17 02:20 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 03/31/17 02:22 PM
knowing his rights and expecting them to be respected,,,and being tired of being so often a resource for cops allegedly just 'doing their jobs' regardless of his working/educational/taxpaying/lawabiding citizenship status

or in short, being harassed, regardless if its someone in uniform or out,,

to harass: b (1) : to annoy persistently was harassing his younger brother (2) : to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct was being harassed by her classmates

mightymoe's photo
Fri 03/31/17 02:26 PM

knowing his rights and expecting them to be respected,,,and being tired of being so often a resource for cops allegedly just 'doing their jobs' regardless of his working/educational/taxpaying/lawabiding citizenship status

or in short, being harassed, regardless if its someone in uniform or out,,

to harass: b (1) : to annoy persistently was harassing his younger brother (2) : to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct was being harassed by her classmates


oh, so your uncle is better than everyone else in the world? so the cops just stop doing their job, and quit talking with anyone... are you gunna police your neighborhood? how are you gunna solve any crimes without talking with anyone? even if you know who did the crime, how are you going to find them without talking with other people?

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/31/17 02:29 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 03/31/17 02:31 PM


knowing his rights and expecting them to be respected,,,and being tired of being so often a resource for cops allegedly just 'doing their jobs' regardless of his working/educational/taxpaying/lawabiding citizenship status

or in short, being harassed, regardless if its someone in uniform or out,,

to harass: b (1) : to annoy persistently was harassing his younger brother (2) : to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct was being harassed by her classmates


oh, so your uncle is better than everyone else in the world? so the cops just stop doing their job, and quit talking with anyone... are you gunna police your neighborhood? how are you gunna solve any crimes without talking with anyone? even if you know who did the crime, how are you going to find them without talking with other people?


no, and no worse either, thats the point

noone suggested any extremes such as not doing their job or not talking with ANYONE either

those are lame diversions

how often have you been stopped WALKING with a book?
how often have you had guns pulled on you IN YOUR YARD?
how often have you been asked for your id as a backseat PASSENGER in someones car?
how often have you been at your job, as a doctor , IN A HOSPITAL, and had police answer a call from someone who said they felt intimidated by you?

and how often in your LIFETIME, or even ANNUALLY do these things happen in spite of you breaking no laws?

,,,,,there is a way to do the job, harassment of lawabiding citizens is not one,,,

mightymoe's photo
Fri 03/31/17 02:39 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Fri 03/31/17 02:40 PM



knowing his rights and expecting them to be respected,,,and being tired of being so often a resource for cops allegedly just 'doing their jobs' regardless of his working/educational/taxpaying/lawabiding citizenship status

or in short, being harassed, regardless if its someone in uniform or out,,

to harass: b (1) : to annoy persistently was harassing his younger brother (2) : to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct was being harassed by her classmates


oh, so your uncle is better than everyone else in the world? so the cops just stop doing their job, and quit talking with anyone... are you gunna police your neighborhood? how are you gunna solve any crimes without talking with anyone? even if you know who did the crime, how are you going to find them without talking with other people?


no, and no worse either, thats the point

noone suggested any extremes such as not doing their job or not talking with ANYONE either

those are lame diversions

how often have you been stopped WALKING with a book?
how often have you had guns pulled on you IN YOUR YARD?
how often have you been asked for your id as a backseat PASSENGER in someones car?
how often have you been at your job, as a doctor , IN A HOSPITAL, and had police answer a call from someone who said they felt intimidated by you?

and how often in your LIFETIME, or even ANNUALLY do these things happen in spite of you breaking no laws?

,,,,,there is a way to do the job, harassment of lawabiding citizens is not one,,,


it happens... sorry black people seem to think all white people are out to get them... but when it happens to me, i don't think it's a racial thing, just an unfortunate event... i was in the wrong place at the wrong time... if i had been anywhere else, just as your uncle, it wouldn't have happened..

no photo
Fri 03/31/17 03:43 PM
More then 1/2 the time I travel thru airports I am pulled to the side and given a closer check.. at times asked to answer questions. power up my lap top, take your shoes off ( again) ect, ect And not only in the U.S.A. It happens in other parts of the world where air security measures are followed.

There must be something about the way I look.. walk.. talk.. places I go to or have been to.. really don't know ... but it clicks with security .

Is that profiling.. yep.. it is. in the truest form. It is a inconvenience but it doesn't bother me one bit.. I do as they ask, answer whatever questions they have, show them whatever paperwork they want to see and then go about my way

I appreciate that they are soo thorough and I feel safer that they are doing what they are doing.

so profile away ;)

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/31/17 03:59 PM




knowing his rights and expecting them to be respected,,,and being tired of being so often a resource for cops allegedly just 'doing their jobs' regardless of his working/educational/taxpaying/lawabiding citizenship status

or in short, being harassed, regardless if its someone in uniform or out,,

to harass: b (1) : to annoy persistently was harassing his younger brother (2) : to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct was being harassed by her classmates


oh, so your uncle is better than everyone else in the world? so the cops just stop doing their job, and quit talking with anyone... are you gunna police your neighborhood? how are you gunna solve any crimes without talking with anyone? even if you know who did the crime, how are you going to find them without talking with other people?


no, and no worse either, thats the point

noone suggested any extremes such as not doing their job or not talking with ANYONE either

those are lame diversions

how often have you been stopped WALKING with a book?
how often have you had guns pulled on you IN YOUR YARD?
how often have you been asked for your id as a backseat PASSENGER in someones car?
how often have you been at your job, as a doctor , IN A HOSPITAL, and had police answer a call from someone who said they felt intimidated by you?

and how often in your LIFETIME, or even ANNUALLY do these things happen in spite of you breaking no laws?

,,,,,there is a way to do the job, harassment of lawabiding citizens is not one,,,


it happens... sorry black people seem to think all white people are out to get them... but when it happens to me, i don't think it's a racial thing, just an unfortunate event... i was in the wrong place at the wrong time... if i had been anywhere else, just as your uncle, it wouldn't have happened..



lots of things 'happen', has nothing to do with whether they are 'right' or should be accepted and continued,,,

and it was my brother, the likelihood of being in the wrong place that often is laughable,,,and less likely than being the right race and gender to be 'suspect'

msharmony's photo
Fri 03/31/17 04:00 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 03/31/17 04:16 PM

More then 1/2 the time I travel thru airports I am pulled to the side and given a closer check.. at times asked to answer questions. power up my lap top, take your shoes off ( again) ect, ect And not only in the U.S.A. It happens in other parts of the world where air security measures are followed.

There must be something about the way I look.. walk.. talk.. places I go to or have been to.. really don't know ... but it clicks with security .

Is that profiling.. yep.. it is. in the truest form. It is a inconvenience but it doesn't bother me one bit.. I do as they ask, answer whatever questions they have, show them whatever paperwork they want to see and then go about my way

I appreciate that they are soo thorough and I feel safer that they are doing what they are doing.

so profile away ;)



I would mind if it was a pattern not based on any reason beyond my race or nationality

TSA is not supposed to profile racially either,,,