I'm thinking bigger scale, the THE UNIVERSE, where there is nothing outside of it except void, where that void can not be discerned. Including everything that exists anywhere at every level at any 'time', even anti-matter universes.

The 1 in the 1 / 0 duality.

That 1 is divided into innumerable sub parts like multiverses, parasimilar universes, infinite dimensions and space/time expressions beyond human comprehension, through infinite radiations, and molecules, atoms, and sub atomic things, and things humans have never observed or predicted.

All of that must find balance to exist totally contained within the 1.
There can be no more or less than 1, [totality], so MY 'net zero' means zero change to 1's value, although the components of 1 may be in constant change and/or interaction, even violently.

Yes all within that 1 is riddled with all manner of forces creating potential differences, polarities, clines over distances and times and concentrations etc..
All positives and negatives must balance within their space, but it doesn't need to be a fixed static balance, it can be dynamic and fluctuating and interacting with diverse and multiple other existing things, and notional things.

Pain and suffering, and joy and well being here may be balanced against pain and suffering, and joy and well being in an alien world we know nothing about, or spread across many.
Our attitude to the distributions of everything may make little difference to its distribution, including things like pain and suffering, and joy and well being. Everything involves energy, which can not disappear.

I must not grasp what you are trying to relay.

How is a duality of 1/0 a balance? Balance would be 0/0 or 1/1 or +1/-1.
O is nothing, flat, zilch. O balances only against 0.
In nature, there is no negative values. Something either exists or it doesn't.
Its not missing, its flat, zilch, no value.

I don't understand how you can think there is balance in this Universe.
A fact that can't be realized unless you know everything about everything, everywhen. Humans only have a very, very small slice of a really big picture.

Even in this small slice of the picture we have there is no balance.
We live in a star system with one planet of eight sporting indigenous life.
As far as we know, Earth is the only planet supporting indigenous life. That's 1 out of 8 planets (imbalance). Since we know of no other planet anywhere with indigenous life, to assume there is balance is a guess based on something other than proof (belief/religion).

In the case of considering Universal balance, if one thing is off-balance it imbalances the whole. However, I'm sure if we look with a 'clean eye' we would find many things imbalanced.


This is another example where you assume balance based on a belief or guess.
The lack of proof invalidates the assumption.

The very nature of existence in this Universe (according to local observations) is one of entropy. To have a 1/1 balance some things would thrive while other things decay but in our observations things decay.

Many people think the Universe is a huge state of being everywhere. Vastly distant and filled with vast amounts of matter but the sub-atomic (quantum) realm is also part of the Universe. We have no idea how far the quantum realm extends. Does it continue getting smaller and smaller for 14 billion light years? In the scale of the Universe are we at the center? Does scale balance out?

As for the nature of energy. We do not understand energy. Its possible even energy decays over time but we have not been around long enough to determine that. So, to believe energy does not disappear is also a belief. A belief based on limited observations over a short period. Plus, since we can't identify a single piece of energy, the entire Universe may be composed of one single energy unit, including the energy in the quantum realm and the energy in mass. That puts energy out of balance.

Thriving and declining are human values used to build delusions so we can cope with the reality before us. To find the balance point one must realize it can only be at the point between thriving and declining. Since this Universe has bits of both, it can't be in balance with another Universe or itself.

To balance life, there would need to be a balance where life is reversed. To put it simply, you would get healthier the longer you live and begin life sick and frail. Puberty and reproduction would occur near the end of life.

Something like that does occur in nature. Binary Fission is how single cell bacteria reproduce. However, once again this puts life out of balance.
There are far more bacteria and single cell organisms than multi-cell ones.
In this case, humans are the out of balance lifeform. Remember its not life by volume its life by instance. For example: One bacteria equals one human (one life to one life).

Yin/Yang
In Ancient Chinese philosophy, yin and yang is a concept of dualism, describing how seemingly opposite or contrary forces may actually be complementary, interconnected, and interdependent in the natural world, and how they may give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another. ~ wiki
The way I read it, Yin/Yang is not balance. It is the connection and correlation of reality. Duality does not mean balanced.

Most of us teach our children to be equal and fair but the nature of reality is not equal and fair. It isn't balanced, it isn't fair. To believe nature is balanced is a delusion despite the evidence which surrounds us.

The balance is within the 1, the whole.
You can not balance zero, except with zero, = 0 anyway.

Had to go to work.

Think of a closed system, where nothing enters or exits, eg. a simple refrigerative A/C system.
Theoretically nothing can enter the system (except by a breach with a valve attached), and nothing can leave.
Within the A/C system is a pumping system and a high pressure side, and a cooling circuit, and a restrictive orifice, and an expansion chamber/circuit, and a resultant low pressure side, leading back to the intake of the pump.

Although in operation there are pressure differences, temperature differences, velocity differences, and other elements of change and variability, there is a balance - or several balances within the system, depending on the phase of operation. The refrigerant gas is not more or less than it was at any other time, even though there is a lot going on within the system.

Sure it is entropic, and not fully closed since electricity provides external energy input to the system, and heat and coolth escapes, but disregarding that, within the greatly varying gas circuit all adds up to the same, no matter what it is doing.

So too, the whole of everything is balanced within the 1 (whole) despite being in constant flux. The zero of 1 / 0 doesn't exist, except as a datum point of nothing.

I can't prove anything, and I'm not qualified to state anything with authority, I'm just flexing my imagination

I enjoy this debate. It makes for an interesting discussion.

The A/C analogy is inadequate. The idea the Universe is a 'closed system' is an assumption. Fact is, nobody knows if it is or isn't.

Likewise, nobody knows if the reality we experience in our lifetimes is balanced even on a small planet as this.

There are however, many examples of real life imbalances.
Environmental
Health
Wealth
Land mass
Temperature
Intelligence
Wisdom
Justice (punishment/reward)
Plant/Animal/Bacterial populations
and so on...

True they all equal what is known as Planet Earth but even that is imbalanced to the bodies of the Solar system.

The observation that space is expanding also indicates a Universe imbalance.
In weather, low pressure/high pressure differences causes winds and storms (a condition of imbalance). Space has storms as well.

If one believes in the Big Bang (an exploding Universe), and many people do, The very act of an explosion is an imbalanced condition. If the Big Bang is believed, we are currently inside a great explosion because we have observed the Universe expanding (in movement). If the Universe were in balance it would be tranquil (as a whole).

In reality, we see cause and effect. We see chaos. We see generation and destruction. We are part of the Universe and reflect its nature.

The human species is out of balance as well. More people are born than die.
Our over-population sets other things out of balance. One imbalance affects others. It ripples outward.

Uniqueness is also a condition of imbalance. It puts an unequal condition into the mix. The Earth has a specific Moon at a specific size at a specific distance that allows a specific condition to occur on a specific planet in a specific star system in a specific galaxy. If it were a balanced system, all star systems would have the same conditions we find in the solar system.
Our uniqueness indicates an imbalanced Universe.

There are many things we assume without proof.
We assume there is a single Universe but there might be billions of Universes. Every moment in time could be a separate Universe.
Every Boson could be a separate Universe.
With something like gravitational lensing, what we think is part of our Universe may be another Universe which we can't see the boundaries to differentiate the edges. So many unknown factors.

The only reality we actually know is the reality before us at a specific time. Even that is subject to perception and expectation. Add into that the fact we humans have the capacity for self-delusion and biased perception and who knows what reality actually is.

I see a Universe which is imbalanced and unequal.
You may see a Universe which is balanced and equal.
Who is actually right? Does it really matter?

You have a scale (calibrated correctly).
There are 10 bricks on each side balanced out.
You add one brick to one side and remove one brick from the other.
The scale is imbalanced.
It will remain imbalanced until equality returns.
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On the subject of parallel Universes if there are, if one is imbalanced the others will be too. If one is balanced, the others will be too.
We don't know if there is an ultra-existence in which Universes reside.
But if there were, parallel Universes would also put that ultra-existence realm out of balance.

More likely, in a multiverse scenario, the different Universes are similar but not parallel. Kinda like a vast line of color shades at a paint store.
Each Universe similar to the one next to it but differing more and more at a distance. At the two extreme ends of the scale very different.

In my mind I picture it as a 1 dimensional point bisected with a line thru it. Each bi-sectional direction radiates outward like a sphere. Then each radial line is composed of more 1 dimensional points likewise bisected.
Every moment of time has multiple paths and reality is the path we are aware of because it is the path we follow.
When we die, our path stops, no more bisection, no more lines. Yet all the other possible paths remain. In effect, we continue on the paths of our similar dimensions. It is not until all paths have ended that we actually die from existence. Since the bi-sectional paths initiate from the moment of our conception, our dimensional probabilities diminish as time occurs. Eventually there will be only one occurrence of us on a single path bisection. It may be the one right now or a path on the other side completely.
There could be billions of versions of you, some similar, some very different but all you.

I hope the powers that create have made several backups for this planet, because this version is corrupt almost beyond any salvage, and could only ever be a shadow of its former glory, even with human removal and intense reconditioning.

If you upscale magnitude, atoms - asteroids - planets - solar systems - galaxies - and so on, you must (human think) eventually get to an end magnitude that encapsulates everything that is, including any 'world creators' and their bigger 'universe'. Somehow, somewhen. But we will never see it, just as we will probably never find the finally, totally indivisible prime entity within any atom, because we are still cave men biologically and technologicaly.

And we would be looking for something we could recognise, where the truth may be unrecognisable, without further human development.

The 'creator' concept is a blinkering notion, and a dead end argument: who/what created the creator, and the creator of the creator, and so on - if you assume one, you must assume infinite creators, which is cumbersome.

I like the idea of efficiency of form being repeated: seemingly random scatterings of alternative universes, in all orientations and attitudes and strengths, and frequencies, (a bit like how we see the distribution of distant and near galaxies), all intersecting with no noticeable confluence. Like myriad radio/TV stations radiating from many points, in all directions, many different instances and versions of the same types of signals, which 'normal' humans can never see without special equipment.

I know AM, FM, short wave, long wave, LF, HF,VHF, UHF, microwave, TV, CB, and many other 'radio' signals exist within the same space at the same time, without affecting each other (FCC rules), so it's not a big leap to see matter based worlds ghosting eachother without being seen by the others.

A Sarah Lee layer upon layer cake stack of universes is unlikely, when seemingly random chaos rules, and not much in nature is straight, flat, parallel, and equally spaced, or even easily observed.

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I don't know, but it would be neat. Then again, what difference would it make? One, we'd never get to experience it, and secondly, would science be able to benefit from it? Doubtful. How are scientists going to be able to study parallel universes?

How do you EVEN know what is or isn't out there? Then I'll have a discussion with you. And your 1/0 or 0/1 whatever you want to call it logic, is anything but logic.

How do you EVEN know what is or isn't out there? Then I'll have a discussion with you. And your 1/0 or 0/1 whatever you want to call it logic, is anything but logic; and that's where I stopped reading your post. Nothing sensical could have come after that.

I'm not one for drugs, but damn that was funny!! LMBO (probably also very true)

I don't believe in parallel universes....makes no sense, we are one being, with one soul and one lifetime experience.

I'm curious why you would say "We"?
Ever heard of Multiple Personalities?

We implies multiple.
One implies singular.
Your statement contradicts itself?

Gaia theory or the Gaia principle is a belief that the Earth is the single lifeform and all other life upon it are but parts of the whole.
Is that what you are saying?

I meant we as a global population....we as a human race each have a soul and one lifetime, we certainly don't exist simultaneously on multiple earths elsewhere. As a Christian that theory makes no sense, it is as tho if one life is less than satisfactory then we have multiple chances to do it better elsewhere. Jesus died to purify me, I cannot do it myself no matter how I try and how many lives I could live.

i'm assuming from your reference to religion you believe in an after-life?
what is an after-life if not a different dimensional state of being from this one? if one exists in an after-life are they not continuing to exist in a different dimension?
what about nde where you die but are brought back to life? isn't that an accounting of traversing at least two dimensions?

the same way you can't exist in life and after-life at the same time, if there are multiple dimensions out there/in here its unlikely you could exist here and in any other one at the same time either.

plus, its anybody's guess how many times you will pass to an after-life before you no longer exist at all? you might die, move to an after-life, exist there for awhile, die, move to another after-life and so on? we may pass thru all the possible manifestations of self before we no longer exist? each time not remembering our previous life. sorta like a reset.

if you don't die, you might snap to a different timeline and your previous past dissipates and that new timeline's past solidifies. you are left only with a feeling certain things have changed which also dissipates as you continue to exist in that timeline.
you can't put your finger on it but you know something is different.

wow, for me it is simple, we live this life to the best of our ability, accept Christ who died for us (as said before we can't perfect our soul's journey with life repeats) and then we do have an afterlife forever with God, no returning, redoing, and certainly no ceasing to exist. I am afraid we are on two different pages here Tom. If one isn't a believer there will always be these theories you speak of. I know where I will go after my last breath.

i believe in a God.
i don't believe religion.
my God is not the same as religion God(s).

as for multiple dimensions its all speculation.
no one opinion is right or wrong.
at least not till there is proof positive either way.
religions offer no proof positive and science has been unable to.
so, its all speculation.

About 12 years ago, I had a serious motorcycle accident in which two physicians thought I would die, and the head nurse in the hospital I was in thought that if I lived, I would be in a coma for life. I survived that, but had a difficult time for months being able to communicate with others again. I survived that as well. While there are similarities here from before my accident, there are many vast differences as well. Rather extreme, abrupt alterations in many things, people, politics, religion. I truly have no interests in many things, I am fascinated with quantum physics, and how and why I'm still here! I spend a lot of time doing as much research as possible, listening to music, and with the animals in my house (I have cats and dogs). Anyone here that has had a similar experience, or know of someone who has is of great interest to me.

Yes there is a multiverse why do you think there are other galaxies out there

I've never been that stoned.