I know. Vague, contrived, inviting controversy, right?

I just got a call from a friend (a Boss at one time) who was an absolute "ballbuster" (intended) in the the Boardroom.

I really don't know if her wage was equal to that of "the good ole boys".
I just know that I have immense respect for her!!!!!!!!!!!

She went all "quality of life" on me. She is exercising her right of free will to be a stay at home mom.

I am so stoked for her and her decision....but the Boardroom will suffer in her absence.

Thoughts?

feminism is used in positive and negative contexts

in the positive, it is a belief in equality for females
in the negative, it is a belief in superiority of females



whenever the choice is our kids or our job, regardless of gender
it is never easy

I respect those who choose the job as kids need financial support

I also respect those who choose the kids, as they also need real time physical support, guidance and example


those I don't respect would just be those who have others taking care of their kids while they continue to do everything but actually work at a job

I just think it's a sad reflection on society that we have women still fighting for equal rights, pay and the right to become members of a golf course, yes it happened just a few weeks ago here in the UK.
We are hardly out of the dark ages in this context.

I'm not brown nosing women by the way, people can see bullchit a mile away.

I do believe that there are certain jobs that men do better than women, but equally, there are certain jobs that women do better than men, The buzz word being equally.

Not sure if I read the question correctly but that's my take on it anyway.

I know how you Louts treat the birds.

OK, who's turn is it to provide the popcorn for this thread? My turn was two weeks ago.

should I have perhaps used the term, "kitties" David?

Feminism well I was raised by mostly men, that thought a woman should not need one if she doesn't have to. So, I was taught mechanics, worked on the Studebaker with my stepfather, worked on the VW with my uncle, so I knew how to use tools. This eventually led me to fix pipes in the house, dishwasher, fridge, and replace the fan in the air conditioning unit when it went up. If I had a problem I would just dial up whoever's specialty it was to fix pretty much anything. I worked my butt off. I do respect these men for teaching me the value of do it yourself. It has served me well in the years in the work place as well. I feel just because a woman can be, as you so aptly put a ball buster does not mean she doesn't still like being treated like a woman too. Yes, still fighting for equal pay in equal jobs. The feminine movement has definitely come a long way.

It's popping right now...

Feminism, was the beginning to the end to the family unit.

It allowed women the opportunity to earn money, vote, etc, etc, etc.

Changing the need for a man to survive, to wanting a man for pleasure.

So, if things get tough on the family women she can easily quit and run.

It kind of makes marriage obsolete.

Dude, my late wife earned money by working, and she voted.
Yet, my marriage to her wasn't harmed or made obsolete.
My family unit benefited.

Nice. I'm happy for you. Your part of the old generation.

Let me tell ya something kid that's so not true. If a girl is walking out on you and is independent. It's because you are causing stress instead of being easy going. Apparently the malmacian kept her happy and laughing and was easy to forgive. And maybe it was just smple personality issues. Take time to get to really know her know your triggers understand her triggers and figure out if that is the person for you. My daughter has been with her husband for 6 years now two children and she is 25. Don't blame your generation blame the ending on two people that couldnt respect each other enough.

And on top.of that most.of.my friends from high school have been married since high school and still are.

I think feminism has two sides to it. There is the part that embraces the equality of opportunies and pay, and then the other side is the freedom to choose her lifestyle, whether it be as a home maker or a combination of homemaker and career woman .

I always find it so unfair that men are seldom ever forced to make that difficult choice

I agree, but for different reasons

I believe it made things worse, men could and did already quit and run, so it was no picnic



but, I believe a lot of times women pick up the selfish(perhaps myself included)options men ALWAYS had , to put themselves and their own 'happiness' above all else

the standard of "why is it ok for men to do it but not women?" should really have been 'why is it ok for the man to do it? period"

when the unit stopped being as important as the self,, it was detrimental to the unit

when no one had responsibility except to themselves and their own happiness,, a lot of what made marriage so fundamental all but disappeared


but there are those who maintain those old fashioned standards and priorities about the importance of the marital and family 'unit' and my hat is always off to them in a culture that so adamantly promotes the 'self'

I don't disagree with you. As a matter of fact I'm accepting the kid remark as a compliment. Thanks!

I find it interesting that you read negativism in my remarks that were not in there.

I'm saying that NOW a woman CAN leave if she wants too. Before she was trapped. She didn't have a choice. She had to stay for financial reasons. Just like some people stay married for "their children."

Maybe an example is needed. My grandparents were together their entire lives. My grandfather was an ahole to my grandmother. He controlled her every move. She COULDN'T leave because she had no way to earn money. Same situation today, she would have left.

incorrect
what it did was level the playing field

no longer does a woman have to stay with a man
because she is unable to financially support herself


so now a man must have something more to offer than a roof over her head


shacking up is making marriage obsolete

^^^^^ I second that :)
Apart from the marriage thing. I don't think marriage is obsolete at all.

I think that as long as ppl still feel the need to discuss feminism, we still aren't there yet as a species. And then there is likely to still be a need for feminism.

I don't busy myself with it. Too many negative connotations to just the word alone.
I rather focus on what it's really about.
I must also say that in the Netherlands we have come quite a long way with this, I believe Scandinavian countries too, but also not there yet.

I think I might need to make another batch of popcorn...

This is good reading.

oh it seems to be a real popular topic on dating site forums


usually always started by men wanted to complain about women