Topic: Gun Control?, what would be a most reasonable so
Conrad_73's photo
Sat 06/18/16 03:03 PM





is the gay parade a gun free zone?

do people truly believe mass killers, are researching whether some place is a gun free zone before choosing their target?




actually the Orlando-Club was!
Under Florida Law no Firearms are allowed in Locales where Alcohol is served!
Shooter with his knowledge of the Law definitely knew that.
Real Coincidence then that those Mass-shootings usually take place in a Gunfree Zone,never,say,in Police Headquarters?
California is a Gunfree Zone!

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 06/18/16 03:10 PM

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/18/16 05:33 PM
I agree, accept there is one type of penis,,,


and we should protect women from potential offenders,,,



eldarbeast's photo
Sat 06/18/16 10:25 PM
Edited by eldarbeast on Sat 06/18/16 10:43 PM





is the gay parade a gun free zone?

do people truly believe mass killers, are researching whether some place is a gun free zone before choosing their target?





YES!

Both the Sandy Hook AND the Aurora shooters bypassed schools and theatres that were much closer to their domociles to hit targets that were more vulnerable than schools and theatres that were closer or were gun free zones.


eldarbeast's photo
Sat 06/18/16 10:31 PM







is the gay parade a gun free zone?

do people truly believe mass killers, are researching whether some place is a gun free zone before choosing their target?





the smart ones would... why wouldn't they?



smart mass killer? that's why most end up dead ,, right?

brilliantfrustrated


No. They shooters are making a name for themselves in their lackluster lives - their 15 minutes of fame.

One of the reasons why many suicide BEFORE they be apprehended by police.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/18/16 10:37 PM






is the gay parade a gun free zone?

do people truly believe mass killers, are researching whether some place is a gun free zone before choosing their target?





YES!

Both the Sandy Hook AND the Aurora shooters bypassed schools and theatres that were much closer to their domociles to hit targets that were more vulnerable than schools and theatres that were closer or mot gun free zones.




what school or theater was not a 'gun free zone',,,,,,?


eldarbeast's photo
Sat 06/18/16 10:39 PM



the guns in the wrong hands are a problem,, every bit as much as those hands being on drugs or being terrorists




Except, the shooter in Orlando was properly licensed, trained and an American Citizen.

So, in YOUR opinion, how was he wrong?

You have stated several times he was not an Islamic terrorist; you discount the religion he was raised in as having zero connection to.

Why did this American Citizen slay his fellow Americans?

eldarbeast's photo
Sat 06/18/16 10:41 PM

I agree, accept there is one type of penis,,,


and we should protect women from potential offenders,,,





Women can (and do) learn to protect themselves.


msharmony's photo
Sat 06/18/16 10:49 PM




the guns in the wrong hands are a problem,, every bit as much as those hands being on drugs or being terrorists




Except, the shooter in Orlando was properly licensed, trained and an American Citizen.

So, in YOUR opinion, how was he wrong?

You have stated several times he was not an Islamic terrorist; you discount the religion he was raised in as having zero connection to.

Why did this American Citizen slay his fellow Americans?




ok, so more specifically and no longer a general discussion about guns ,,,

I never made a statement about zero connection , we are all products of many different experiences and perceptions coming together in very specific was FOR US

he had a history of violence, against his wife, he was kicked out of training, he had calls made on him that lead to fbi investigations,, this was someone who had many signs of being potentially impulsively dangerous


why does anyone take human life? I will never understand

seems this male, from reports alone anyway,, had many groups he hated,,,, the government, females, and homosexuals

take your pick

eldarbeast's photo
Sat 06/18/16 10:50 PM
Edited by eldarbeast on Sat 06/18/16 10:50 PM







is the gay parade a gun free zone?

do people truly believe mass killers, are researching whether some place is a gun free zone before choosing their target?





YES!

Both the Sandy Hook AND the Aurora shooters bypassed schools and theatres that were much closer to their domociles to hit targets that were more vulnerable than schools and theatres that were closer or mot gun free zones.




what school or theater was not a 'gun free zone',,,,,,?




ALL schools are gun free zones. There are several private schools that allow CCW on their premises.

Sandy Hook was a gun free zoned elementary school.

The Aurora shooter chose a gun free theatre to attack. He drove past at least four theatres that allowed folk to CCW in them.

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/18/16 10:56 PM


I agree, accept there is one type of penis,,,


and we should protect women from potential offenders,,,





Women can (and do) learn to protect themselves.




and so do laws, which persecute and regulate predatory or threatening activities against them

eldarbeast's photo
Sun 06/19/16 11:47 AM
Edited by eldarbeast on Sun 06/19/16 11:49 AM



I agree, accept there is one type of penis,,,


and we should protect women from potential offenders,,,





Women can (and do) learn to protect themselves.




and so do laws, which persecute and regulate predatory or threatening activities against them


Except laws can take years to provide protecting whereas having a CCW firearm in your pocket, on your belt, in your purse can provide instant protection.

Remember - when danger threatens life or property, the police are just minutes away.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 06/19/16 11:55 AM
http://gunsnfreedom.com/28-killed-in-knife-attack-at-train-station-in-china-more-proof-its-not-about-guns

28 Killed in Knife Attack at Train Station in China: More Proof it’s Not About Guns

March 1, 2014 by Guns 'n' Freedom

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/19/16 02:42 PM



you cant do anything really
if a madman wants to kill innocent people , they will find a way
killers dont need guns to kill people
Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer
9-11 terrorists used box cutters and plans
the Nazis used cyanide gas
taking guns from innocent people will not protect innocent people
the problem is not guns
(just read that on facebook)

<shrug>
as per you Que , i have no idea
people change so what ever test you come up with that they could pass today does not mean they are the same person tomorrow

but i have noticed that all most all these attacks are done in gun free zones
<shrug>

But the idea that arming everyone would lead to peace on Earth, has already been proven a lie, countless times.




In YOUR mind perhaps...

The opposite of your statement is more true than not. The majority of cities with extensive gun control laws have the highest incidents of gun crimes. Murder, drive by shootings, robberies, occur more frequently in cities like LA, NYC, Chicago, Washington, D.C..

My belief is best described by author Robert A. Heinlein - An armed society is a polite society.




a false logic, because cities are surrounded by other cities,, you may have 'extensive' control in one city but not in the one 15 minutes away,,,



msharmony's photo
Sun 06/19/16 02:56 PM

http://gunsnfreedom.com/28-killed-in-knife-attack-at-train-station-in-china-more-proof-its-not-about-guns

28 Killed in Knife Attack at Train Station in China: More Proof it’s Not About Guns

March 1, 2014 by Guns 'n' Freedom


a quick search

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

gun deaths vs knife deaths
vs

2012 8859 vs 1589
2008 9528 vs 1888


ID say the most pressing concern lately is guns,, of course something else would take its place once its no longer in first place

but that doesn't negate the need to do something about the first place right now







Kindlightheart's photo
Sun 06/19/16 03:08 PM

What are your views?, do you think we need better and longer background checks?, or what in your estimation would solve the many mass killings here in our united states?

...let's see..mass murderers and criminals don't seem to respect any existing laws..doubt they will surrender their guns or struggle obtaining them..pretty sure people that want to kill will ..perhaps we could start by getting rid of corrupt governments that are more than likely behind these mass murders...their agenda won't fly without victims...keep in mind..these "terrorist" acts only happen to civilians...never their own kind...and doubt any of those scumbags will go anywhere without an armed guard..ohwell

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 06/19/16 03:09 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 06/19/16 03:15 PM


http://gunsnfreedom.com/28-killed-in-knife-attack-at-train-station-in-china-more-proof-its-not-about-guns

28 Killed in Knife Attack at Train Station in China: More Proof it’s Not About Guns

March 1, 2014 by Guns 'n' Freedom


a quick search

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

gun deaths vs knife deaths
vs

2012 8859 vs 1589
2008 9528 vs 1888


ID say the most pressing concern lately is guns,, of course something else would take its place once its no longer in first place

but that doesn't negate the need to do something about the first place right now








so you believe in Preventive Punishment,to punish someone before they have committed a Crime?
yep,NEED TO DO SOMETHING!
Ban all Butter-knives,let only the Army,Police and Criminals have them!
The only Right you have under the 2nd,is either to arm yourself,or bow out!
Or come and collect those things that offend you so much!
But as the 2nd states,you have no right to infringe!

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/19/16 03:14 PM



http://gunsnfreedom.com/28-killed-in-knife-attack-at-train-station-in-china-more-proof-its-not-about-guns

28 Killed in Knife Attack at Train Station in China: More Proof it’s Not About Guns

March 1, 2014 by Guns 'n' Freedom


a quick search

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

gun deaths vs knife deaths
vs

2012 8859 vs 1589
2008 9528 vs 1888


ID say the most pressing concern lately is guns,, of course something else would take its place once its no longer in first place

but that doesn't negate the need to do something about the first place right now








so you believe in Preventive Punishment,to punish someone before they have committed a Crime?




did you get all that from simple numbers? interesting

to answer your question,, define 'punishment',,,,if you define it by not being able to have a gun that shoots dozens of rounds in a few seconds punishment,,,

,,,then yes, I support 'punishing' those with histories of violence, whether they ended in 'crime' or not


Conrad_73's photo
Sun 06/19/16 03:26 PM




http://gunsnfreedom.com/28-killed-in-knife-attack-at-train-station-in-china-more-proof-its-not-about-guns

28 Killed in Knife Attack at Train Station in China: More Proof it’s Not About Guns

March 1, 2014 by Guns 'n' Freedom


a quick search

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

gun deaths vs knife deaths
vs

2012 8859 vs 1589
2008 9528 vs 1888


ID say the most pressing concern lately is guns,, of course something else would take its place once its no longer in first place

but that doesn't negate the need to do something about the first place right now








so you believe in Preventive Punishment,to punish someone before they have committed a Crime?




did you get all that from simple numbers? interesting

to answer your question,, define 'punishment',,,,if you define it by not being able to have a gun that shoots dozens of rounds in a few seconds punishment,,,

,,,then yes, I support 'punishing' those with histories of violence, whether they ended in 'crime' or not


sidestepping again,are you?
BTW,why not define that vaunted "Got To Do SOMETHING" you Guys keep constantly talking about?
I asked you whether you believed in Preventive Punishment,which means to punish someone who hasn't committed a Crime,and most likely never do!
Apparently you do!

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/19/16 03:28 PM





http://gunsnfreedom.com/28-killed-in-knife-attack-at-train-station-in-china-more-proof-its-not-about-guns

28 Killed in Knife Attack at Train Station in China: More Proof it’s Not About Guns

March 1, 2014 by Guns 'n' Freedom


a quick search

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

gun deaths vs knife deaths
vs

2012 8859 vs 1589
2008 9528 vs 1888


ID say the most pressing concern lately is guns,, of course something else would take its place once its no longer in first place

but that doesn't negate the need to do something about the first place right now








so you believe in Preventive Punishment,to punish someone before they have committed a Crime?




did you get all that from simple numbers? interesting

to answer your question,, define 'punishment',,,,if you define it by not being able to have a gun that shoots dozens of rounds in a few seconds punishment,,,

,,,then yes, I support 'punishing' those with histories of violence, whether they ended in 'crime' or not


sidestepping again,are you?
BTW,why not define that vaunted "Got To Do SOMETHING" you Guys keep constantly talking about?
I asked you whether you believed in Preventive Punishment,which means to punish someone who hasn't committed a Crime,and most likely never do!
Apparently you do!



lol

'punishment' is in the eye of the beholder