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No one is right or wrong.
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Edited by
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right and wrong are just words, they mean different things to everyone... the church just uses them to gain control of people, to influence their actions into what the church deems best... What inspires your assessment of what is right and what is wrong moe? personal beliefs, past lessons, the law... Cool 
thats kind of misleading, on my part... all right and wrong to me is based on making my life better/easier, not much else... I dont want to misunderstand you so.let me ask... Is your assessment of right and wrong soley based on.the benefits that it brings to your life? pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Well I think a motive behind an action and a fringe benefit after the action are 2 different things. I may rescue a stranger as some have done with the motive of giving them a shot at life but the fringe benefit of that act may be joy on my part or i may even receive a gift from the person I saved but that wasnt my motive "motive" has to do with right and wrong decisions to begin with... is it right or wrong to save everyone you can, regardless? would you rescue Hitler or a KKK member? if rescuing this person puts you in extreme danger, would you still? whenever anyone does what they think is right, they feel better about themselves, and the opposite is true when someone does something they feel is wrong... so i will stand by my statement... Your original statement was that everyone's assessment of right and wrong was based soley on the benefits that it brings to their life. Your eg to reinforce that point is that if a person saves a puppy , then one's motive/goal is the joy of saving the puppy. I questioned the example you used because there are people , who save perfect strangers from harm, not for any benefit it brings to them, but out of pure unselfishness. Therefore some people make what they consider to be right decisions out of unselfish motives and some do it for the benefits they gain like you suggested. My question earlier was specifically directed at you , asking you what was YOUR inspiration for assessing right or wrong. There is no incorrect answer to that question and when it comes to other people's inspiration however, I prefer not to generalise. |
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peggy ! check ur skype please :))
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right and wrong are just words, they mean different things to everyone... the church just uses them to gain control of people, to influence their actions into what the church deems best... What inspires your assessment of what is right and what is wrong moe? personal beliefs, past lessons, the law... Cool
thats kind of misleading, on my part... all right and wrong to me is based on making my life better/easier, not much else... I dont want to misunderstand you so.let me ask... Is your assessment of right and wrong soley based on.the benefits that it brings to your life? pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Well I think a motive behind an action and a fringe benefit after the action are 2 different things. I may rescue a stranger as some have done with the motive of giving them a shot at life but the fringe benefit of that act may be joy on my part or i may even receive a gift from the person I saved but that wasnt my motive "motive" has to do with right and wrong decisions to begin with... is it right or wrong to save everyone you can, regardless? would you rescue Hitler or a KKK member? if rescuing this person puts you in extreme danger, would you still? whenever anyone does what they think is right, they feel better about themselves, and the opposite is true when someone does something they feel is wrong... so i will stand by my statement... Your original statement was that everyone's assessment of right and wrong was based soley on the benefits that it brings to their life. Your eg to reinforce that point is that if a person saves a puppy , then one's motive/goal is the joy of saving the puppy. I questioned the example you used because there are people , who save perfect strangers from harm, not for any benefit it brings to them, but out of pure unselfishness. Therefore some people make what they consider to be right decisions out of unselfish motives and some do it for the benefits they gain like you suggested. My question earlier was specifically directed at you , asking you what was YOUR inspiration for assessing right or wrong. There is no incorrect answer to that question and when it comes to other people's inspiration however, I prefer not to generalise. pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... i believe everything has a uncertain selfish motive... none of us are here to help others, we are here to survive as long as possible... helping others is a decision we make... all that aside, you didn't answer my question about rescuing Hitler or a KKK member... would that be right or wrong to you? |
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mighty u check ur skype as wel !!
but i donno urs anyway you check maybe someone has written. |
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mighty u check ur skype as wel !! but i donno urs anyway you check maybe someone has written. ?? i don't use skype... |
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mighty u check ur skype as wel !! but i donno urs anyway you check maybe someone has written. ?? i don't use skype... bad for u. |
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mighty u check ur skype as wel !! but i donno urs anyway you check maybe someone has written. ?? i don't use skype... bad for u. it's never been good for me, either... 
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well. up to u of course.
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anyway, i wa just joking
the only person i will contact personally is peggy no!!body else i do not want to be fluenced elseway. |
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Edited by
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Mon 02/29/16 12:30 PM
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peggy ! check ur skype please :)) I will check it when I get home hun :) I think you might have sent the request to the wrong person, but I will check it and see. I am now seeing your posts here. Sometimes I don't see some posts on my phone until I switch on my computer. |
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right and wrong are just words, they mean different things to everyone... the church just uses them to gain control of people, to influence their actions into what the church deems best... What inspires your assessment of what is right and what is wrong moe? personal beliefs, past lessons, the law... Cool
thats kind of misleading, on my part... all right and wrong to me is based on making my life better/easier, not much else... I dont want to misunderstand you so.let me ask... Is your assessment of right and wrong soley based on.the benefits that it brings to your life? pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Well I think a motive behind an action and a fringe benefit after the action are 2 different things. I may rescue a stranger as some have done with the motive of giving them a shot at life but the fringe benefit of that act may be joy on my part or i may even receive a gift from the person I saved but that wasnt my motive "motive" has to do with right and wrong decisions to begin with... is it right or wrong to save everyone you can, regardless? would you rescue Hitler or a KKK member? if rescuing this person puts you in extreme danger, would you still? whenever anyone does what they think is right, they feel better about themselves, and the opposite is true when someone does something they feel is wrong... so i will stand by my statement... Your original statement was that everyone's assessment of right and wrong was based soley on the benefits that it brings to their life. Your eg to reinforce that point is that if a person saves a puppy , then one's motive/goal is the joy of saving the puppy. I questioned the example you used because there are people , who save perfect strangers from harm, not for any benefit it brings to them, but out of pure unselfishness. Therefore some people make what they consider to be right decisions out of unselfish motives and some do it for the benefits they gain like you suggested. My question earlier was specifically directed at you , asking you what was YOUR inspiration for assessing right or wrong. There is no incorrect answer to that question and when it comes to other people's inspiration however, I prefer not to generalise. pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Very interesting point this has gotten to ... Benefit and gain isn't necessarily the so called wrong type... Even if you give out of pure unselfishness, from the heart, isn't it still for your own benefit and gain (as well)? I mean ... YOU'd feel like crap if you wouldn't do it. It might bug you for days, you may feel guilty for not doing it. So it's still because you feel better yourself for helping someone. Even when it's from the heart. Because if you're like that, you know it's wrong to not do it. What I'm trying to say is ... there's ego based benefit and gain and 'heart based' benefit and gain. NOt sure which one Moe was getting at, but I do agree with him. Pretty much everything in life you do, is for your own benefit. |
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right and wrong are just words, they mean different things to everyone... the church just uses them to gain control of people, to influence their actions into what the church deems best... What inspires your assessment of what is right and what is wrong moe? personal beliefs, past lessons, the law... Cool
thats kind of misleading, on my part... all right and wrong to me is based on making my life better/easier, not much else... I dont want to misunderstand you so.let me ask... Is your assessment of right and wrong soley based on.the benefits that it brings to your life? pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Well I think a motive behind an action and a fringe benefit after the action are 2 different things. I may rescue a stranger as some have done with the motive of giving them a shot at life but the fringe benefit of that act may be joy on my part or i may even receive a gift from the person I saved but that wasnt my motive "motive" has to do with right and wrong decisions to begin with... is it right or wrong to save everyone you can, regardless? would you rescue Hitler or a KKK member? if rescuing this person puts you in extreme danger, would you still? whenever anyone does what they think is right, they feel better about themselves, and the opposite is true when someone does something they feel is wrong... so i will stand by my statement... Your original statement was that everyone's assessment of right and wrong was based soley on the benefits that it brings to their life. Your eg to reinforce that point is that if a person saves a puppy , then one's motive/goal is the joy of saving the puppy. I questioned the example you used because there are people , who save perfect strangers from harm, not for any benefit it brings to them, but out of pure unselfishness. Therefore some people make what they consider to be right decisions out of unselfish motives and some do it for the benefits they gain like you suggested. My question earlier was specifically directed at you , asking you what was YOUR inspiration for assessing right or wrong. There is no incorrect answer to that question and when it comes to other people's inspiration however, I prefer not to generalise. pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Very interesting point this has gotten to ... Benefit and gain isn't necessarily the so called wrong type... Even if you give out of pure unselfishness, from the heart, isn't it still for your own benefit and gain (as well)? I mean ... YOU'd feel like crap if you wouldn't do it. It might bug you for days, you may feel guilty for not doing it. So it's still because you feel better yourself for helping someone. Even when it's from the heart. Because if you're like that, you know it's wrong to not do it. What I'm trying to say is ... there's ego based benefit and gain and 'heart based' benefit and gain. NOt sure which one Moe was getting at, but I do agree with him. Pretty much everything in life you do, is for your own benefit. people are misconceived about our "duties" in life... the most basic law of nature is to survive(and reproduce), no matter what... everything else is just choices we make based on what we think right and wrong is... nobody is right, and nobody is wrong, we just are... |
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Edited by
Unknow
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Mon 02/29/16 12:58 PM
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right and wrong are just words, they mean different things to everyone... the church just uses them to gain control of people, to influence their actions into what the church deems best... What inspires your assessment of what is right and what is wrong moe? personal beliefs, past lessons, the law... Cool
thats kind of misleading, on my part... all right and wrong to me is based on making my life better/easier, not much else... I dont want to misunderstand you so.let me ask... Is your assessment of right and wrong soley based on.the benefits that it brings to your life? pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Well I think a motive behind an action and a fringe benefit after the action are 2 different things. I may rescue a stranger as some have done with the motive of giving them a shot at life but the fringe benefit of that act may be joy on my part or i may even receive a gift from the person I saved but that wasnt my motive "motive" has to do with right and wrong decisions to begin with... is it right or wrong to save everyone you can, regardless? would you rescue Hitler or a KKK member? if rescuing this person puts you in extreme danger, would you still? whenever anyone does what they think is right, they feel better about themselves, and the opposite is true when someone does something they feel is wrong... so i will stand by my statement... Your original statement was that everyone's assessment of right and wrong was based soley on the benefits that it brings to their life. Your eg to reinforce that point is that if a person saves a puppy , then one's motive/goal is the joy of saving the puppy. I questioned the example you used because there are people , who save perfect strangers from harm, not for any benefit it brings to them, but out of pure unselfishness. Therefore some people make what they consider to be right decisions out of unselfish motives and some do it for the benefits they gain like you suggested. My question earlier was specifically directed at you , asking you what was YOUR inspiration for assessing right or wrong. There is no incorrect answer to that question and when it comes to other people's inspiration however, I prefer not to generalise. pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Very interesting point this has gotten to ... Benefit and gain isn't necessarily the so called wrong type... Even if you give out of pure unselfishness, from the heart, isn't it still for your own benefit and gain (as well)? I mean ... YOU'd feel like crap if you wouldn't do it. It might bug you for days, you may feel guilty for not doing it. So it's still because you feel better yourself for helping someone. Even when it's from the heart. Because if you're like that, you know it's wrong to not do it. What I'm trying to say is ... there's ego based benefit and gain and 'heart based' benefit and gain. NOt sure which one Moe was getting at, but I do agree with him. Pretty much everything in life you do, is for your own benefit. I agree with that premise Crystal but again, it wont apply to everyone, There have been people we read about in the news, who died making a split decision to save someone else. They didn't even have time to consider motives or benefit or even the guilt that they might feel afterward , but their instincts kicked in in a noble and unselfish way. Ofcourse this isn't the norm , but it has and does happen occasionally. And yes, the issue of self gain as it relates to the topic of right and wrong is a fascinating one, but don't tell Moe. He will never let us hear the end of it.  Also the link between self interest and morality dates as far back as the authority of the church does.
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Edited by
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Mon 02/29/16 01:00 PM
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right and wrong are just words, they mean different things to everyone... the church just uses them to gain control of people, to influence their actions into what the church deems best... What inspires your assessment of what is right and what is wrong moe? personal beliefs, past lessons, the law... Cool
thats kind of misleading, on my part... all right and wrong to me is based on making my life better/easier, not much else... I dont want to misunderstand you so.let me ask... Is your assessment of right and wrong soley based on.the benefits that it brings to your life? pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Well I think a motive behind an action and a fringe benefit after the action are 2 different things. I may rescue a stranger as some have done with the motive of giving them a shot at life but the fringe benefit of that act may be joy on my part or i may even receive a gift from the person I saved but that wasnt my motive "motive" has to do with right and wrong decisions to begin with... is it right or wrong to save everyone you can, regardless? would you rescue Hitler or a KKK member? if rescuing this person puts you in extreme danger, would you still? whenever anyone does what they think is right, they feel better about themselves, and the opposite is true when someone does something they feel is wrong... so i will stand by my statement... Your original statement was that everyone's assessment of right and wrong was based soley on the benefits that it brings to their life. Your eg to reinforce that point is that if a person saves a puppy , then one's motive/goal is the joy of saving the puppy. I questioned the example you used because there are people , who save perfect strangers from harm, not for any benefit it brings to them, but out of pure unselfishness. Therefore some people make what they consider to be right decisions out of unselfish motives and some do it for the benefits they gain like you suggested. My question earlier was specifically directed at you , asking you what was YOUR inspiration for assessing right or wrong. There is no incorrect answer to that question and when it comes to other people's inspiration however, I prefer not to generalise. pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... i believe everything has a uncertain selfish motive... none of us are here to help others, we are here to survive as long as possible... helping others is a decision we make... all that aside, you didn't answer my question about rescuing Hitler or a KKK member... would that be right or wrong to you? My decision as to whether rescuing Hitler or a KKK member is wrong or not is based on the circumstances. Ultimately, I think it would be wrong to enable either persons to persist in murders and brainwashing. If they are rescued to do hard time in prison without parole, I don't consider that wrong. If they are rescued and released at the detriment of the public, then I would consider that wrong, but that's just my take on it. |
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right and wrong are just words, they mean different things to everyone... the church just uses them to gain control of people, to influence their actions into what the church deems best... What inspires your assessment of what is right and what is wrong moe? personal beliefs, past lessons, the law... Cool
thats kind of misleading, on my part... all right and wrong to me is based on making my life better/easier, not much else... I dont want to misunderstand you so.let me ask... Is your assessment of right and wrong soley based on.the benefits that it brings to your life? pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Well I think a motive behind an action and a fringe benefit after the action are 2 different things. I may rescue a stranger as some have done with the motive of giving them a shot at life but the fringe benefit of that act may be joy on my part or i may even receive a gift from the person I saved but that wasnt my motive "motive" has to do with right and wrong decisions to begin with... is it right or wrong to save everyone you can, regardless? would you rescue Hitler or a KKK member? if rescuing this person puts you in extreme danger, would you still? whenever anyone does what they think is right, they feel better about themselves, and the opposite is true when someone does something they feel is wrong... so i will stand by my statement... Your original statement was that everyone's assessment of right and wrong was based soley on the benefits that it brings to their life. Your eg to reinforce that point is that if a person saves a puppy , then one's motive/goal is the joy of saving the puppy. I questioned the example you used because there are people , who save perfect strangers from harm, not for any benefit it brings to them, but out of pure unselfishness. Therefore some people make what they consider to be right decisions out of unselfish motives and some do it for the benefits they gain like you suggested. My question earlier was specifically directed at you , asking you what was YOUR inspiration for assessing right or wrong. There is no incorrect answer to that question and when it comes to other people's inspiration however, I prefer not to generalise. pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Very interesting point this has gotten to ... Benefit and gain isn't necessarily the so called wrong type... Even if you give out of pure unselfishness, from the heart, isn't it still for your own benefit and gain (as well)? I mean ... YOU'd feel like crap if you wouldn't do it. It might bug you for days, you may feel guilty for not doing it. So it's still because you feel better yourself for helping someone. Even when it's from the heart. Because if you're like that, you know it's wrong to not do it. What I'm trying to say is ... there's ego based benefit and gain and 'heart based' benefit and gain. NOt sure which one Moe was getting at, but I do agree with him. Pretty much everything in life you do, is for your own benefit. I agree with that premise Crystal but again, it wont apply to everyone, There have been people we read about in the news, who died making a split decision to save someone else. They didn't even have time to consider motives or benefit or even the guilt that they might feel afterward , but their instincts kicked in in a noble and unselfish way. Ofcourse this isn't the norm , but it has and does happen occasionally. And yes, the issue of self gain as it relates to the topic of right and wrong is a fascinating one, but don't tell Moe. He will never let us hear the end of it. Also the link between self interest and morality dates as far back as the authority of the church does.
Even then you could ask yourself if their motives were completely unselfish in the way you mean. If they hadn't saved that person, they would have had to live with the guilt of not doing that ... But I think this is really getting into deep deep realms of psychology... As for church ... beg to differ there too. You give church way too much credit. The knowledge and wisdom of many ancient people was far greater and more pure than church's. I'm not a fan of churches, nor of outside guidance, which is what church is. That's why my answer to your OP question was; Inner guidance. |
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I decide what is right or wrong for ME.
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I approve of keeping murder illegal, for extremely practical reasons. |
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Edited by
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Mon 02/29/16 02:48 PM
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right and wrong are just words, they mean different things to everyone... the church just uses them to gain control of people, to influence their actions into what the church deems best... What inspires your assessment of what is right and what is wrong moe? personal beliefs, past lessons, the law... Cool
thats kind of misleading, on my part... all right and wrong to me is based on making my life better/easier, not much else... I dont want to misunderstand you so.let me ask... Is your assessment of right and wrong soley based on.the benefits that it brings to your life? pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Well I think a motive behind an action and a fringe benefit after the action are 2 different things. I may rescue a stranger as some have done with the motive of giving them a shot at life but the fringe benefit of that act may be joy on my part or i may even receive a gift from the person I saved but that wasnt my motive "motive" has to do with right and wrong decisions to begin with... is it right or wrong to save everyone you can, regardless? would you rescue Hitler or a KKK member? if rescuing this person puts you in extreme danger, would you still? whenever anyone does what they think is right, they feel better about themselves, and the opposite is true when someone does something they feel is wrong... so i will stand by my statement... Your original statement was that everyone's assessment of right and wrong was based soley on the benefits that it brings to their life. Your eg to reinforce that point is that if a person saves a puppy , then one's motive/goal is the joy of saving the puppy. I questioned the example you used because there are people , who save perfect strangers from harm, not for any benefit it brings to them, but out of pure unselfishness. Therefore some people make what they consider to be right decisions out of unselfish motives and some do it for the benefits they gain like you suggested. My question earlier was specifically directed at you , asking you what was YOUR inspiration for assessing right or wrong. There is no incorrect answer to that question and when it comes to other people's inspiration however, I prefer not to generalise. pretty much... isn't it that way for everyone? if you save a puppy, does it not bring you some kind of joy? same with giving a homeless person a dollar... seems that every choice on right and wrong has something to do with your life and how it impacts it... Very interesting point this has gotten to ... Benefit and gain isn't necessarily the so called wrong type... Even if you give out of pure unselfishness, from the heart, isn't it still for your own benefit and gain (as well)? I mean ... YOU'd feel like crap if you wouldn't do it. It might bug you for days, you may feel guilty for not doing it. So it's still because you feel better yourself for helping someone. Even when it's from the heart. Because if you're like that, you know it's wrong to not do it. What I'm trying to say is ... there's ego based benefit and gain and 'heart based' benefit and gain. NOt sure which one Moe was getting at, but I do agree with him. Pretty much everything in life you do, is for your own benefit. I agree with that premise Crystal but again, it wont apply to everyone, There have been people we read about in the news, who died making a split decision to save someone else. They didn't even have time to consider motives or benefit or even the guilt that they might feel afterward , but their instincts kicked in in a noble and unselfish way. Ofcourse this isn't the norm , but it has and does happen occasionally. And yes, the issue of self gain as it relates to the topic of right and wrong is a fascinating one, but don't tell Moe. He will never let us hear the end of it. Also the link between self interest and morality dates as far back as the authority of the church does.
Even then you could ask yourself if their motives were completely unselfish in the way you mean. If they hadn't saved that person, they would have had to live with the guilt of not doing that ... But I think this is really getting into deep deep realms of psychology... As for church ... beg to differ there too. You give church way too much credit. The knowledge and wisdom of many ancient people was far greater and more pure than church's. I'm not a fan of churches, nor of outside guidance, which is what church is. That's why my answer to your OP question was; Inner guidance. I dont feel I am giving the church credit for anything in this thread. I only reference them in this thread because for years the church was perceived to be almost the sole authority on morality when in fact some of the standards set by them were for personal gain. That unsavory fact doesnt stop me from holding on to my faith or myspiritual beliefs, but it destroys in me any inclination towards blind or mindless loyalty to the church or their doctrine |
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right and wrong , I believe are society's way of control for example its seen in Russia as being gay is wrong and people are killed for being gay while in England you can get married if your gay, Right and wrong is mostly society and where you live impact right and wrong for you.
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