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Topic: Seven U.S. states shut doors to Syrian refugees
IgorFrankensteen's photo
Wed 11/18/15 07:41 PM



i don't know how they think they can stop it, but whatever... sounds good for voting purposes, i guess...


There you go. It's functionally more of a protest/political grandstanding ploy than anything else.
Jindal has dropped out of the presidential race and isn't running for governor either... Idk know abt the rest of the repubs AND dems calling for a pause in the receiving of Syrian refugees but you fancy yourself a genius so fill us in.
And grandstanding? Look it up in the dictionary and you'll find Obama's picture. Widows and orphans my azz....

None of what you say is correct, save that Jindal gave up on trying to be President.Other than that, all bombast. You show US an actual dictionary with Obama's picture in it.

The reason why I and others have pointed out that these States rejection of immigrants is nothing but political posturing, is that they aren't empowered under the Constitution to block immigrants.

Understand? They CAN'T do what they say they want to do. Hence, their actions are more in the nature of a formal protest, and since they are sitting office holders, that means it is a political game they are playing.

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Wed 11/18/15 08:26 PM
Edited by RebelArcher on Wed 11/18/15 08:27 PM
You show US an actual dictionary with Obama's picture in it.
You thought I was serious about that? Your perceived genius is fading.
You DO understand that several politicians...repubs AND dems think its a good idea to put the Syrian refugee vetting process on hold until its reviewed more thoroughly, dont you? And you DO know that the president, who's nuts you have wrapped up all in your tongue, threatens to veto any bill of such sort ?
That same president also states that those politicians are "scared of widows and orphans" but thats not grandstanding also?
For someone who claims to not be a fan of Obama, you sure overlook alot of his bs.
I specifically mentioned Jindal and asked you to produce if others are grandstanding...which you did not...The fact is, you dont know for sure if theyre grandstanding....or actually believe what theyre doing is right. You just wanted an oppurtunity to flaunt your faux knowledge again.
Its not about what they can or cant do....its about concerns they have and a petulant president who stomps his foot and takes his ball and goes home when anyone questions his decisions.
Understand?

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Wed 11/18/15 10:46 PM





Saw seven plain white/nondescript buses, rollin' southbound on hwy 75...
Looked like middle easterners, in the two buses that I could see into.

That's at least 350 refugees foisted on Texas in just the past 36 hours.

No telling, how many more bus loads there have been.


probably heading here to Houston... but no 7-11's here tho...


I know of at least one 7/11 in Houston.
It's my enroute stop for coca cola, on the way to Galveston from here.


where at? i've never seen one south of centerville


There's one about two blocks from the museum of fine arts.
(That isn't the one I stop at.)




Come to Jersey.. the 7-11 mother land.. B.O. & Cherry incense to go with the fossilized hot dogs.

If your lucky, they have some of that New Delhi wooden hand clapper instrument thing music piping thru the place.

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Thu 11/19/15 09:11 AM
FBI director, among others, warns of current refugee vetting process...

"" FBI Director James Comey added in
congressional testimony last month that “a
number of people who were of serious
concern ” slipped through the screening of
Iraq War refugees, including two arrested
on terrorism -related charges. “ There’ s no
doubt that was the product of a less than
excellent vetting ,” he said.
Although Comey said the process has since
“improved dramatically , ” Syrian refugees
will be even harder to check because,
unlike in Iraq, U .S . soldiers have not been
on the ground collecting information on
the local population . “If we don’ t know
much about somebody, there won’ t be
anything in our data, ” he said. “ I can’t sit
here and offer anybody an absolute
assurance that there’ s no risk associated
with this. ”"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2015/11/17/senior-obama-officials-have-warned-of-challenges-in-screening-refugees-from-syria/

Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein has her doubts too....

"" She said she and Republican Senator Jeff
Flake of Arizona will introduce a bill
Thursday that would bar anyone who
has been in Syria or Iraq within the
past five years from entering the U.S.
under a visa waiver.""
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11-18/house-democrats-said-to-mull-alternative-bill-on-syria-refugees

But Im sure the Obama cuckolds will pass it off as more "grandstanding"...

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Thu 11/19/15 07:46 PM

You show US an actual dictionary with Obama's picture in it.
You thought I was serious about that? Your perceived genius is fading.
You DO understand that several politicians...repubs AND dems think its a good idea to put the Syrian refugee vetting process on hold until its reviewed more thoroughly, dont you? And you DO know that the president, who's nuts you have wrapped up all in your tongue, threatens to veto any bill of such sort ?
That same president also states that those politicians are "scared of widows and orphans" but thats not grandstanding also?
For someone who claims to not be a fan of Obama, you sure overlook alot of his bs.
I specifically mentioned Jindal and asked you to produce if others are grandstanding...which you did not...The fact is, you dont know for sure if theyre grandstanding....or actually believe what theyre doing is right. You just wanted an oppurtunity to flaunt your faux knowledge again.
Its not about what they can or cant do....its about concerns they have and a petulant president who stomps his foot and takes his ball and goes home when anyone questions his decisions.
Understand?


No, I didn't think you were "serious." I thought you were carelessly mixing bombastic nonsense into your serious assertions, and therefore either making your entire post nothing but unsubstantiated fussing (for comedy effect?) or you were purposely alternating between childish insults and facts, in hopes of getting both into the discussion as being valid at the same time.

Crap is crap. If you want to have a serious discussion of real issues, then do so. If you play coy games instead, then we wont learn anything from you.

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Thu 11/19/15 07:58 PM
Crap is crap. If you want to have a serious
discussion of real issues, then do so. If you
play coy games instead, then we wont learn
anything from you.
You would definitely know about crap. You pompously berate repubs for grandstanding while ignoring obvious grandstanding by your savior Obama. Your definition of being serious is proclaiming that youre some sort of historian and we should all bow to your perceived greater knowledge....when, in fact, you actually dont know chicken$hit from chicken salad.
Ive given you documented examples of dems expressing concerns over not pausing before letting these refugees in and you continue to overlook it. Ill even agree with you that some repubs ARE grandstanding......the difference is....you wont return the favor from the other side of the aisle.....you just continue with your pompous azz ways....thinking you can teach us peons something and therefore sate your desire for attention. Carry on with your fantasy.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Fri 11/20/15 05:26 AM

Crap is crap. If you want to have a serious
discussion of real issues, then do so. If you
play coy games instead, then we wont learn
anything from you.
You would definitely know about crap. You pompously berate repubs for grandstanding while ignoring obvious grandstanding by your savior Obama. Your definition of being serious is proclaiming that youre some sort of historian and we should all bow to your perceived greater knowledge....when, in fact, you actually dont know chicken$hit from chicken salad.
Ive given you documented examples of dems expressing concerns over not pausing before letting these refugees in and you continue to overlook it. Ill even agree with you that some repubs ARE grandstanding......the difference is....you wont return the favor from the other side of the aisle.....you just continue with your pompous azz ways....thinking you can teach us peons something and therefore sate your desire for attention. Carry on with your fantasy.


Show me even ONE place where I declared Obama to be my savior. Learn to read what people ACTUALLY say before you attack them, it makes your attacks appear to be more genuine and less prejudice-based.

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Fri 11/20/15 07:36 AM


Crap is crap. If you want to have a serious
discussion of real issues, then do so. If you
play coy games instead, then we wont learn
anything from you.
You would definitely know about crap. You pompously berate repubs for grandstanding while ignoring obvious grandstanding by your savior Obama. Your definition of being serious is proclaiming that youre some sort of historian and we should all bow to your perceived greater knowledge....when, in fact, you actually dont know chicken$hit from chicken salad.
Ive given you documented examples of dems expressing concerns over not pausing before letting these refugees in and you continue to overlook it. Ill even agree with you that some repubs ARE grandstanding......the difference is....you wont return the favor from the other side of the aisle.....you just continue with your pompous azz ways....thinking you can teach us peons something and therefore sate your desire for attention. Carry on with your fantasy.


Show me even ONE place where I declared Obama to be my savior. Learn to read what people ACTUALLY say before you attack them, it makes your attacks appear to be more genuine and less prejudice-based.
Like I said....not returning the favor and being honest from the other side....typical. Always right and everybody else is always wrong.
And speaking of genuine....you definitely aint it....

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 11/20/15 09:43 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 11/20/15 09:46 AM
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/11/the_refugee_resettlement_tango.html

November 20, 2015
The Refugee Resettlement Tango
By Joe Herring

Under normal circumstances, the screening process for a refugee coming to America takes, on average, between 8 and 14 months, frequently stretching to a full two years if the refugee is from an area of high concern.

The process begins with a designation of refugee status, most often by the United Nations High Commission on Refugees (UNHCR), followed by a referral to the United States by the UNHCR, a U.S. embassy, or, increasingly, certain international non-governmental organizations (NGOs).

Once the status is conferred, the screening process begins at a resettlement support center (RSC) contracted by the U.S. Department of State. It is the staff of the RSC who compiles all that can be known about the refugee – personal information, background checks, and other elements of identification.

Once the dossier is complete, it is forwarded to the State Department for security screening against a number of databases before the applicant is fingerprinted and photographed. The refugee then goes into an in-person interview with an officer of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS).

Based on the information provided by the RSC and the results (if any) from the electronic database checks and the in-person interview, the USCIS officer makes the determination as to whether the applicant is approved for resettlement in the United States.

There are two more cursory checks performed before final resettlement. Right before the candidate leaves the RSC, a second interagency check is run to look for any new information. The final check comes when the refugee arrives in the U.S. and a Customs officer reviews the documents to make certain the refugee arriving is indeed the refugee who applied and was cleared.

The astute among you will have already identified the weak link in the chain: the resettlement support center. The RSC is not an American entity. International and local organizations are contracted to staff and operate the RSCs, and while there is a measure of screening applied to the workers, it is largely limited to typical employment information as opposed to high-level security clearance screening.

The gatekeepers to America aren't Americans. Couple this with the reality on the ground in Syria – there are no government records to search – and the dossier prepared on Syrian refugees is thin indeed. There have been credible reports that at least one of the RSCs tasked with processing requests for asylum has been routinely rejecting applications from Christians – not after careful consideration, mind you, but rather by tossing them directly into the trash.

The RSCs in these areas are staffed by Muslims, and clear preference has been given to Muslim applicants, resulting in a 96:4 ratio of Muslim asylees to Christian/non-Muslim asylees.

The claim by refugee advocates that stringent vetting is the norm, not the exception would be laughable if it were not so deliberately false and absurdly dangerous. The system relies on information gleaned almost entirely from the refugees themselves.

The vaunted electronic database searches conducted by the State Department are worthless without reliable data, and as we have seen, even the "JV" team is capable of crafting rudimentary identities. It would not be too great a challenge for ISIS to insert as many jihadists as they might want into the refugee stream.

Absent a refugee waving an ISIS flag strung on the bloody blade of a scimitar, we have literally no reliable way of ascertaining threats among the crowd clamoring for entry.

Surely the refugee resettlement organizations in America are aware of these shortfalls in our screening capabilities…aren't they? The short answer is yes. The long answer is yes, but they don't care.

The amount of money involved in the refugee resettlement business rivals the gross revenues of the Fortune 500. Many of these organizations derive a majority of their entire operating budgets from federal resettlement funds. The prospect of increasing their revenues fourfold has these organizations salivating.

They are also growling and snapping at anyone who threatens their expected feast. Conservative estimates expect the overall disbursements of federal funds to these organizations to nearly double in FY 2016 as a result of Syrian immigration. If they get their way, that doubled figure will double yet again in FY 2017.

These altruistic mavens see dollar signs as far as their rent-seeking eyes will allow, and they will brook no opposition to their plans. Not even national security dangers can tear their eyes away from the cash flowing into the federal trough.

Indeed, the flow of refugees is far too slow to satisfy their rapacious desires. A coalition of these trough-feeders has banded together, calling themselves the Refugee Council USA. They penned a letter to President Obama on the 18th of September urging him to raise the number of refugees for 2016 to a mind-boggling 200,000, with 100,000 of those being Syrian.

Notably, our own Lutheran Family Services is a signatory to this letter.

Remember when we discussed the process for resettlement? Remember the average length of time it takes for that process to be completed? It is patently obvious that there is no way to feasibly process 200,000 refugees in that short a time period – not unless one dispenses with the screening process altogether, a scenario that is not as far-fetched as one might think.

The U.S. Department of State's Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM) has the power to expedite processing of a refugee case for resettlement in the United States. They can expedite all steps or only select steps.

Security clearance procedures, the requirement for a face-to-face interview with applicants, can be expedited to the point of absurdity, condensing the usual 8- to 14-month time frame for resettlement to less than 8-10 weeks from referral to arrival in the United States.

All that is needed is a request from the UNHCR, the processing RSC, or one of the NGOs to initiate expedited processing. The NGOs handling Syrian refugees are:

Al Batoul
Al Nada Development
Al Ta'aluf
Al Tamayouz Cooperative Society
Danish Refugee Council
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate for Antioch and All the East
International Medical Corps
Première Urgence - Aide Médicale Internationale*
Secours Islamique France*
Syrian Society for Social Development
The Syria Trust for Development

Of the eleven, all but three are entirely Muslim organizations – led by Muslims and staffed by Muslims. The remaining three are staffed locally, again by Muslims, who are responsible for operations on the ground.

Simply put, the refugees selected for transfer to the United States are chosen by their ideological peers, investigated and screened by their ideological peers, and sent to a city near you without a single agent of the United States government having any meaningful involvement in the gathering or compiling of Intel on these applicants.


Quite soon, the number of Syrian refugees being accorded "expedited status" will be raised to 100%.

The administration has announced the establishment of additional RSCs tasked with handling the expedited application process. We are no longer looking at an 8- to 14-month window, but rather a 2- to 3-month window. Scared? You should be.

As so often happens with the left, while they are wagging their fingers at you with one hand, the other one is buried deep in your pocket. This time, however, we have more to lose than our tax dollars. Our lives are at stake.

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Fri 11/20/15 11:16 AM

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Fri 11/20/15 11:35 AM


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