Should this also pertain to Fathers of the unborn children (babies)

sure lots of ladys would like the father to carry
can we start with you first ? : )

what if there's one or more possibility of fatherhood?

Yes

I believe both parents should have rights unless or until they legally give them up,,,,

Which also brings to light the rights of surrogate mothers who hatch em?

surrogates are only a vehicle

there is no right except those that protect the baby they carry,,,


at least, that's as I think it should be if someone signs on to be only a vessel,, the law should allow them to be only a vessel,,

Really? That would mean if you accidentally got pregnant, the man would have the right to decide what you do with and what happens to YOUR body! If a person loses say over their own body, it comes close to ownership by others, and thus slavery.

- A pregnancy could cost you your job for instance, ie. if you have to travel a lot, or are ill a lot due to pregnancy etc. etc.
Meaning your life goes down the drain. Does the man cover those cost for the rest of your life?

- You could be forced to take care of the child, even though you didn't want it, but were forced to keep it.
That's going to be healthy for the child! Wow!

- It could cost you your health. There are many ailments where the woman cannot really be pregnant (again) without doing (serious) damage to her body. I know cos I'm one of them (hyperlaxaty)

NO WAY should any other person ever have a say in that. It's MY body, and I'm nobody's slave or property. And since babies grow in a woman's body, not a man's, it gives us more right to decide.

If men got to decide over our bodies, we would be reduced to nothing more than breeding machines. We are HUMAN beings!!

simply put

YES

control over my body would be insisting I have an abortion,, that affects MY body as well as his childs

carrying the pregnancy,is only about the baby



if I get pregnant, I laid down and took that chance, if its gonna cost me a job,, than thats not the mans responsibility, but they should be responsible for covering the cost of the BABY for as long as I am actually 'unable' to work


if both parents are responsible, neither is 'forced' to do anything alone,, they are both responsible for the child


if its going to be a life or death situation, thats a much more serious and complex issue, that shouldnt be left up to the man


there is a difference between 'my body' and the childs life,,,


both parents who create a CHILD, however, should have responsibility and rights to that child,,,,

I see some validity in this view point: surrogate motors as a vessel.

In fact, this post coincided with a recent article in the n_papers here about an ongoing industry where Indian women were volunteering as surrogate mothers for overseas couples.
The news mentioned the government banning "foreign implants". I suppose it had something to do with our country's resources being drained; haha.

Branching off to a scientific view; if a test tube baby can grow in a human womb why not in an animal womb, like say some orangutan's? The reason for this inquiry is my growing belief that if man is to colonize planets like Mars he needs to acquire a skin with furs to resist radiation effects. (w.r.t a debate on the value of skin in the post: NASA Makes Major Mars Discovery );

The human embryo in the orangutan womb, if he/she survives to birth, could very well acquire superhuman powers; some details if any however unlikely genetically; like tail growth could be amputated. What I mean is if a womb is a vessel; we do need to consider all potential nature offers.

Ah, the many inferences of Law: There's a possibility that governments may wrangle over kids born of rental-wombs. If we go by the rule that any child born in the US territory automatically becomes a US citizen then we must allow this rule to extend to kids born off surogate moms in Indian territory.

This would not apply if the kids were born off a lab or an orangutan's womb. It would then be deemed as similar to a contract between companies and shipyards for building 'vessels'.

On an aside: Orangutan mom's don't feel anything when they lose a child year after year till her womb can no longer be milked to bear any more human kids. They call it karma.

Which finally leads me to think that Indian surrogate mothers, mired in poverty as they are; are this new age O_moms. Maybe they harbor a secret solace that their kid is in a better home. (just thinking aloud in tangents).

Which finally leads me to conclude that giving equal rights to women; how-so-ever revered for their motherhood (which by this post means zilch) is not only against nature's law of male-female equation but the root of all disaster in our modern society.

Thanks for wakening me up.
Yeah, i'm going to relish those 'yo-mom' jokes after all.

You are going to find this harsh, and I am sorry for that, but very simply put, your attitude is disgusting.

Your entire post is about YOUR CONVENIENCE an what YOU WANT. You mention if yuo become pregnant by accident... I have to ask "how do you become pregnant by accident? did you trip and fall into a vat of sperm and could not get out before some of it found its way into your vaginal tract?"

Very simply, if you do not want to become pregnant (which is completely all right and I respect 100%) then DO NOT HAVE SEX.

I mean, COME ON, you cannot tell me that you do not know pregnancy is a possible consequence of having sex. And if you are going to take the risk, then yuo have to accept that you are giving up any "rights" you had in regards to being the sole judge of what happens if you become pregnant.

Personally, I think ALL surrogate situations should be required to have a legally signed contract and possibly even involve family court mediation prior to ensure all parties are knowledgeable on their rights (or lack there of) and that one side can not back out after the fact, or try and negate the other sides half of the contract because they changed their minds.