He was..... 2 parties, 2 sides, same coin, the corporations own the politicians and the banks own them both

Let me write this down so I won't forget..."Its Bush's fault" is out....now its "Bush did it so its ok for libs to do it also". Got it....you cant make this $hit up


And I call total bs on this also...

"" Though I'm not a Hillary fan either"".....

I've only ever wanted to know Hilary by one title.....

"Convicted former candidate."

That works for me.

Yea, well I heard on the radio (it was either Savage or Levin, I think Savage) today that and Admiral and General gave testimony that they had troops(including Delta Force) geared up and ready to go and could have been on the ground fairly quickly but was given the order by Hillary to stand down.

Just like a Libbo to not make any sense.

They very well may not be BUT the top military officer's who have talked to the committee and the public about this are pretty damn good sources.

I am truly surprised that they haven't tried to pin Benghazi on President Bush yet.....

It's interesting that these military officers say Hilary gave them an 'order' to 'stand down'. Since 1986 military orders start with the President, bypass the Joint Chiefs (who no longer control their military branches) and go straight to theatre command staff.

Under secession rules the Sec State comes after the vice-president, and speaker of the house. So, she's not even in the military chain of command.

Now the State Department has meddled in military operations for decades by trying to tailor how the military behaves in certain countries so that the host country is not 'offended'. They also try to dictate tactics and rules of engagement, BUT state does not issue 'orders' to grunts in the field.

I find their 'excuse' personally unacceptable. If I'm a general and Hilary says do this or you're fired, you hand her the phone and tell her to call the President and he can fire you.

Any commander who doesn't work to save his men and women in the field doesn't deserve the position and should be removed.

So...can we deduce it was the POSoTUS who gave the order to stand down? And may we apply your last sentence to same?

Well as I understand the situation unfolded at the time, the Benghazi 'compound' had two parts. One, the physical consulate, and a short distance away a CIA compound,called The Annex.

The CIA team worked to fight its way to the 'consulate' and rescue the ambassador and his staff, and were unsuccessful. That CIA team says they were told to stand down by the most senior on site CIA team member, and that he did so on his own authority. This individual only ever referred to as 'Bob' spent 20 minutes on his cell trying to get a rescue op sanctioned, but apparently never did. It resulted in a 30 minute delay before the CIA team entered the fight. They say they also asked for close air support, and none was ever provided.

The team went of its own volition and saved 20 American lives.

The more confusing 'order' was in Tripoli. You had 4 security team members who wanted to go to Benghazi but were told to 'stay in place' to protect Tripoli staff who had actually bugged out of the embassy there. They had also destroyed classified materials and computers, and were at a 'safe house' location. The team stayed with diplomatic staff, and eventually wound up treating the Benghazi injured who were later evacuated.

Rear Adm. Brian Losey who was the African Theatre Spec Ops commander is the one who issued the 'stay in place' order. Stand down by any other name as it were. His opinion is they wouldn't have made a difference, and they had other duties.

Of note is if he makes the call himself or if the White House or State provided 'input'. No one has ever actually answered THAT question.

NOW STUDENTS (lol) here's the REAL issue you need to find the answers to. The U.S. compound was a CONSULATE, NOT AN EMBASSY. Why does that matter? Consulates are where you go for help to replace a lost passport, find a local doctor or lawyer if you've broken a local law, had a birth or death on your trip, or been a victim of crime.

EMBASSIES are created to the tune of exactly ONE per country, AND in the capital city of that country. CONSULATES can be several in number throughout a large country based on need.

So WHY did the U.S. have a facility in the middle of a civil war zone that primarily is supposed to assist tourists, and is being guarded by 'contractors' and in close proximity to a CIA facility? Oh and what were Christians In Action doing there as well?

Find the answers to those questions and you may be able to posit a theory as to why seemingly no one made much of an effort beyond the local CIA guys to save anyone during this attack.

Fast and Furious on Steroids!

I guess as one of your lol students I'd happily drink the koolaid. As it stands bullspit is bullspit. I suppose I just don't read the same bathroom stall graffiti.

Edited for off-topic.

soufie
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According to the 300 NEW emails, just released of Hillery's (largely classified) Lady Ga Ga had direct access by email to her. So did other fine examples of Hollywood.

The fact that our Ambassador had to go through "security channels" for access gives the priorities.

funny you mention that... obarry has removed more officers in the military than any other president...