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Topic: The Truth Behind Love?
lu10nt's photo
Tue 06/16/15 03:53 AM
This is a simple topic where people post their views about love and what it truly is. Everyone has different understandings of many things and interpretate in which ever way they see is right.

My view on "love" is that it is not real. I believe that love is a word created to hide the fact that really it is just a motive. Whether it is a motive for sex, breeding, belonging, security, financial stability and so on. I do believe however that the joining of 2 peoples motives can also depend on certain other factors such as how attractive the other person may be and any additional motives such as rich, famous etc. The reason I put belonging is because of relationships that you hear about lasting 50+ years. This I can only assume is an evolution of motives and therefore as you age with the partner your with, both your motives and eventually just being in each others company is all the you really want in the end thus staying together forever more.

I would like to hear other peoples opinions of love and all its mystery and maybe we can collectively solve the puzzle surrounding love.

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Tue 06/16/15 04:03 AM
If you truly believe 'love is a motive' than you may never be happy.
Perhaps you are looking at 'relationships as contracts?;'... yes, ALL relationships are contracts, no matter what kind of relationship.

atshaan555's photo
Tue 06/16/15 04:19 AM
you should read "The Art of Loving" by Erich Fromm and you will get the answer

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Tue 06/16/15 05:54 AM

This is a simple topic where people post their views about love and what it truly is. Everyone has different understandings of many things and interpretate in which ever way they see is right.

My view on "love" is that it is not real. I believe that love is a word created to hide the fact that really it is just a motive. Whether it is a motive for sex, breeding, belonging, security, financial stability and so on. I do believe however that the joining of 2 peoples motives can also depend on certain other factors such as how attractive the other person may be and any additional motives such as rich, famous etc. The reason I put belonging is because of relationships that you hear about lasting 50+ years. This I can only assume is an evolution of motives and therefore as you age with the partner your with, both your motives and eventually just being in each others company is all the you really want in the end thus staying together forever more.

I would like to hear other peoples opinions of love and all its mystery and maybe we can collectively solve the puzzle surrounding love.


Honestly, I think the reason we have the word is to describe something that does exist. We don't say we are hungry but there is no such thing. It sounds like you have yet to fall in love so it seems elusive. It has eluded me for awhile tooflowerforyou

Or perhaps you know some folk who mistake the things you listed as love. If you do find it, don't walk away

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Tue 06/16/15 06:25 AM
LOVE--
If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.a

And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient,

love is kind.

It is not jealous,

it is not pompous,

it is not inflated,

it is not rude,

it does not seek its own interests,

it is not quick-tempered,

it does not brood over injury,

it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.

It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails.

If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.

For we know partially and we prophesy partially,

but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.

When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.

At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.

So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

flowerforyou

tanyaann's photo
Tue 06/16/15 06:31 AM

LOVE--
If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.a

And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient,

love is kind.

It is not jealous,

it is not pompous,

it is not inflated,

it is not rude,

it does not seek its own interests,

it is not quick-tempered,

it does not brood over injury,

it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.

It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails.

If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.

For we know partially and we prophesy partially,

but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.

When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.

At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.

So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

flowerforyou


:thumbsup:

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Tue 06/16/15 06:34 AM
Love in a relationship is often confused with lust. Love is caring for the other person and their needs. Like a child, grandparent, mate etc.

tanyaann's photo
Tue 06/16/15 06:36 AM
The purpose of life is to truly know the meaning of love.

Love is the word given for an emotional biological physical social cultural action of selflessness that is felt deep within one's soul.

lu10nt's photo
Tue 06/16/15 03:27 PM
Edited by lu10nt on Tue 06/16/15 03:28 PM

LOVE--
If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.a

And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient,

love is kind.

It is not jealous,

it is not pompous,

it is not inflated,

it is not rude,

it does not seek its own interests,

it is not quick-tempered,

it does not brood over injury,

it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.

It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails.

If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.

For we know partially and we prophesy partially,

but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.

When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.

At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.

So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

flowerforyou



I have no idea what I just read. I have no faith, no hope and no love and can survive in this world without any of those things, however through deep understand as to the purpose of life, I only see one purpose. Survive. I can survive far too easily without faith, hope and love. However to truly survive the species must go on and thus breeding must occur. Now If I don't breed, the species will still survive so I have no real purpose but I want to breed to give myself purpose, for without purpose, I may as well be a predators prey and sacrifice myself to aid something elses survival. I have never felt love and sadly in an immature sounding way believe I may just be above it. My Beliefs tend to strip to the core the reality of such things hence most of what I write. When I write things such as this, I always try to gauge the responses I will receive from saying such things and if people feel the need to call me immature, so be it. I know what I am and immature is not it. I just see beyond the colourful pictures everyone else sees and sadly black and white is bland and boring which is me down to a tee.

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Tue 06/16/15 04:00 PM
The Truth Behind Love?

Is easily found with google searches and school.

Everyone has different understandings of many things

Everyone has different understandings of everything.
And even if they don't, you put everyone in a room, a lot are going to disagree just on principle even if in reality, deep down, they agree.

My view on "love" is that it is not real.

If you believe everyone has different understandings....then you should really define exactly what you mean by "love."

I believe that love is a word created to hide the fact that really it is just a motive.

...So?
So what if it is just a motive? A complete lie? A total delusion?

Are you confusing the idea that something that is "true" automatically means it is "right" and "good" or even "practical?"
Or that proving something is "false" means it's "bad" or "wrong?"

I would like to hear other peoples opinions of love and all its mystery

I believe it's not really that big of mystery.

I believe that a lot of people need it to be a mystery so they can come to their subjective opinions of it and therefore feel control over it, or manipulate it into their own self image and thereby feel more important than others who couldn't crack the mystery in the "right" way that is like their own.

maybe we can collectively solve the puzzle surrounding love

See?
It's a "puzzle" that needs to be "cracked."
It's not that scientists, and researchers, and philosophers might have solved it or good ideas.
Oh no! They're a bunch of idiots who don't know what they are talking about.
Especially since we aren't handed a handbook on the way out of the uterus that explains everything up to this point, or information isn't just easily handed to us, we aren't chased down and shown absolutely the absolute truth about what is known.

Nope. It's a big ol' puzzle that this magic generation of people can unite to buy the world a coke (thanks to the genius of one uniting figure) to figure out this completely unfathomable mystery.
Oh thank you for this savior to bring us out of the dark!



I believe that love is a word created to hide the fact that really it is just a motive

All emotions can be used as motives.

lu10nt's photo
Tue 06/16/15 05:00 PM

The Truth Behind Love?

Is easily found with google searches and school.

Everyone has different understandings of many things

Everyone has different understandings of everything.
And even if they don't, you put everyone in a room, a lot are going to disagree just on principle even if in reality, deep down, they agree.

My view on "love" is that it is not real.

If you believe everyone has different understandings....then you should really define exactly what you mean by "love."

I believe that love is a word created to hide the fact that really it is just a motive.

...So?
So what if it is just a motive? A complete lie? A total delusion?

Are you confusing the idea that something that is "true" automatically means it is "right" and "good" or even "practical?"
Or that proving something is "false" means it's "bad" or "wrong?"

I would like to hear other peoples opinions of love and all its mystery

I believe it's not really that big of mystery.

I believe that a lot of people need it to be a mystery so they can come to their subjective opinions of it and therefore feel control over it, or manipulate it into their own self image and thereby feel more important than others who couldn't crack the mystery in the "right" way that is like their own.

maybe we can collectively solve the puzzle surrounding love

See?
It's a "puzzle" that needs to be "cracked."
It's not that scientists, and researchers, and philosophers might have solved it or good ideas.
Oh no! They're a bunch of idiots who don't know what they are talking about.
Especially since we aren't handed a handbook on the way out of the uterus that explains everything up to this point, or information isn't just easily handed to us, we aren't chased down and shown absolutely the absolute truth about what is known.

Nope. It's a big ol' puzzle that this magic generation of people can unite to buy the world a coke (thanks to the genius of one uniting figure) to figure out this completely unfathomable mystery.
Oh thank you for this savior to bring us out of the dark!



I believe that love is a word created to hide the fact that really it is just a motive

All emotions can be used as motives.


I have not a clue what you were on when you wrote this but I definitely missed every point you tried to throw across. Pretty sure most people on here look for an argument or a fight of words because they can't be civil about giving their responses in a normal way that might make sense during a discussion. Instead it erupts into flames and pointless junk getting thrown out of a uterus

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Tue 06/16/15 09:06 PM


LOVE--
If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.a

And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient,

love is kind.

It is not jealous,

it is not pompous,

it is not inflated,

it is not rude,

it does not seek its own interests,

it is not quick-tempered,

it does not brood over injury,

it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.

It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails.

If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.

For we know partially and we prophesy partially,

but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.

When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.

At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.

So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

flowerforyou



I have no idea what I just read. I have no faith, no hope and no love and can survive in this world without any of those things, however through deep understand as to the purpose of life, I only see one purpose. Survive. I can survive far too easily without faith, hope and love. However to truly survive the species must go on and thus breeding must occur. Now If I don't breed, the species will still survive so I have no real purpose but I want to breed to give myself purpose, for without purpose, I may as well be a predators prey and sacrifice myself to aid something elses survival. I have never felt love and sadly in an immature sounding way believe I may just be above it. My Beliefs tend to strip to the core the reality of such things hence most of what I write. When I write things such as this, I always try to gauge the responses I will receive from saying such things and if people feel the need to call me immature, so be it. I know what I am and immature is not it. I just see beyond the colourful pictures everyone else sees and sadly black and white is bland and boring which is me down to a tee.


If that is how you see it, then there is no point in your asking the question in the first place...

regularfeller's photo
Tue 06/16/15 09:49 PM
What is love?
Baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more





I don't believe love is so much an emotion as an intentional act. One must have an ability to love and the desire to demonstrate that ability to another.

If you lack the ability of course you question the validity and existence of this "unattainable" pursuit.

Because "romantic" love does not currently exist in my life does not mean t does not exist. Love, too, survives.





no1phD's photo
Tue 06/16/15 10:33 PM
the truth about love.. She's a cold mistress..:wink:

theseacoast's photo
Wed 06/17/15 12:19 AM
Edited by theseacoast on Wed 06/17/15 12:27 AM
Many things in life, particulary emotions, just cannot be described or, better, transferred to someone else, they can be just felt and lived. And even so, each of us experiences them differently. It�s not something you can mathematically count and come to some solution that would be fitting for all. It is impossible because love is not a matter of head. Love is both: a matter of the heart and of the head.

All what you counted as motives for love: belonging, security, financial status etc. can be motives for relationship but they are not motives for love.

Motive for love is only and only that special person for himself/herself. For just their own existence. For being themselves. Point. Nothing else.

Ofcourse we will have desires, ofcourse we will want to belong to them, we will need security, we will want them sexually and it is okay, there is nothing wrong with that. But there is difference, nicely expressed with one sentence that I read somewhere: I don�t love you because I need you, I need you because I love you.

Besides, love is not only about pleasures, happiness, feeling that you are on the top of the world. It is also about conquering difficulties, complete accepting of the person, fight with our own fears...
Because when we love we become vulnerable as the most fragile glass - but only toward that special person. Noone can bring us more happiness and noone can hurt us more.
Except the children, as they say.

Complication with love is also that you can�t take it for granted. It can change. You have to take care of it as if it would be human being, cherish it as if it would be a child. You have to feed it, you have to caress it, you have to change diapers and clean it when it does a pee or even worse... Or it will disappear.

And that�s not everything, when you did all of it you still have to place that person on your open palm. Love does not request and does not hold firmly - it gives freedom. And if the person wants to go away always has to have that possibility. You can never own person you love. You can only share time, space, feelings, events, thoughts... But you can never really know if it would last a day or the whole life.

Don�t mix relationship with love. Even when relationship comes to an end it does not mean that love came to an end. Nor the start of a relationship means start of love. These things can and don�t have to go hand in hand.

As I said love is a matter of heart, but love also needs support of head. We need a firm decision to overcome all the difficulties that are on our way. And to take a risk to come out of the comfort zone where we can nothing lose but also nothing get.

If love would be only about motives you counted, you would be right - it wouldn�t exist.

But fortunatelly it is about something else.

Lukinfolov's photo
Wed 06/17/15 12:35 AM

This is a simple topic where people post their views about love and what it truly is. Everyone has different understandings of many things and interpretate in which ever way they see is right.

My view on "love" is that it is not real. I believe that love is a word created to hide the fact that really it is just a motive. Whether it is a motive for sex, breeding, belonging, security, financial stability and so on. I do believe however that the joining of 2 peoples motives can also depend on certain other factors such as how attractive the other person may be and any additional motives such as rich, famous etc. The reason I put belonging is because of relationships that you hear about lasting 50+ years. This I can only assume is an evolution of motives and therefore as you age with the partner your with, both your motives and eventually just being in each others company is all the you really want in the end thus staying together forever more.

I would like to hear other peoples opinions of love and all its mystery and maybe we can collectively solve the puzzle surrounding love.


Like many other emotions and state of our mind, love is a long term state of the mind and has been proved as real by measuring levels of hormones like oxytocin, serotonin and some others that are produced more when someone is in the company of the loved one.

But hey... you gotta be in love with someone before you start understanding it.

Can you describe the taste of butter to someone who hasn't tasted it?

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Wed 06/17/15 03:00 AM
more often than not, love starts out one-sided...but becomes beautiful and meaningful once reciprocated...:heart: :heart:

nigellr's photo
Wed 06/17/15 03:55 AM
Love is a state of mind, and an emotional necessity. I believe that the human bean, as a social animal, has 2 basic needs. A physical need to pro-create and survive, and/or to feel the pleasure of bonking,lust, if you will.The other need, is one of a spiritual kind. To be a well balanced animal, the human being, needs to feel 'wanted, cherished' etc. After all, we were designed to be social. This spiritual requirement is, in my most humble opinion. 'Love'. As previously stated, it can be felt by one, or both parties. It can be transferred to another, as we probably all, know. But I wonder if the cause of the dying of love for one and the transference of love to another, is not simply brought about, by our physical needs.

Lukinfolov's photo
Wed 06/17/15 04:16 AM
Ian Stevenson, in his quest for understanding reincarnation, found out many cases of soul-mates. These souls, who were in love with each other in one life tended to come close to each other during their next life. He has documented some cases of soul-mates in his book on Reincarnation.

This proves, the process of love, if really true, happens between souls and never dies by itself. Memories get erased between births so can't be proved in many cases.

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Wed 06/17/15 05:40 AM


The Truth Behind Love?

Is easily found with google searches and school.

Everyone has different understandings of many things

Everyone has different understandings of everything.
And even if they don't, you put everyone in a room, a lot are going to disagree just on principle even if in reality, deep down, they agree.

My view on "love" is that it is not real.

If you believe everyone has different understandings....then you should really define exactly what you mean by "love."

I believe that love is a word created to hide the fact that really it is just a motive.

...So?
So what if it is just a motive? A complete lie? A total delusion?

Are you confusing the idea that something that is "true" automatically means it is "right" and "good" or even "practical?"
Or that proving something is "false" means it's "bad" or "wrong?"

I would like to hear other peoples opinions of love and all its mystery

I believe it's not really that big of mystery.

I believe that a lot of people need it to be a mystery so they can come to their subjective opinions of it and therefore feel control over it, or manipulate it into their own self image and thereby feel more important than others who couldn't crack the mystery in the "right" way that is like their own.

maybe we can collectively solve the puzzle surrounding love

See?
It's a "puzzle" that needs to be "cracked."
It's not that scientists, and researchers, and philosophers might have solved it or good ideas.
Oh no! They're a bunch of idiots who don't know what they are talking about.
Especially since we aren't handed a handbook on the way out of the uterus that explains everything up to this point, or information isn't just easily handed to us, we aren't chased down and shown absolutely the absolute truth about what is known.

Nope. It's a big ol' puzzle that this magic generation of people can unite to buy the world a coke (thanks to the genius of one uniting figure) to figure out this completely unfathomable mystery.
Oh thank you for this savior to bring us out of the dark!



I believe that love is a word created to hide the fact that really it is just a motive

All emotions can be used as motives.


I have not a clue what you were on when you wrote this but I definitely missed every point you tried to throw across. Pretty sure most people on here look for an argument or a fight of words because they can't be civil about giving their responses in a normal way that might make sense during a discussion. Instead it erupts into flames and pointless junk getting thrown out of a uterus


cireTOM does not have a uterus, and this point solves the issue , a bad attitude toward women, so no, sorry, love will probably continue to elude you

unless and until you clean up the 'tude

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