my point about the bible being a product of man exemplified!

The same people ranting that it is undeniably "god's word" will now find a way to argue that the tenets of the same god can be disregarded at will.

If you find citations of this in the bible, that means that the apostle paul didn't make that statement on his own, he was iterating the word of his god.

Why would anyone do a thing in direct disobedience to the written word of their god?

Yes, women too were subjugated by this ruse.

First of all, "men/man" is suppose to be the leader(s). As in anything there can be only one "leader" eg. to many cheifs and not enough indians. It's not being sexist or one gender is greater then the other. But again in any decisions/choice, there needs to be only one decider. And that is Jesus Christ himself and what he has informed us of on how it's suppose to be. Even a "listener" has a great voice for actions speak louder then words.

The Bible, the word of God, The sword, The way He speaks to us.

The first thing I want to say is that the passage needs to be taken into context. Who it was written for, why, the time period.

At that time Christianity was in its infancy. Women at that time were not allowed to even be in a room with men discussing anything let alone eating a meal with the men. The men were the only ones teaching the laws/ Bible. The problem of the time period was that at that time women were not as educated as men were. Women were beginning to teach from a point of view that lacked knowledge. Paul wrote the letter as a reminder to women their place in the current church for that time period. When teaching Gods Word, Paul was insisting accuracy and speaking this to the people.

There was never a verbal beat down for women. Women have their place teaching and preaching totally inspired by the Holy Spirit. God does not discriminate. The same Holy Spirit lives in all Christians who believe in Jesus Christ as their personal Savior! A promise that was given to those who would believe.

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" At that time Christianity was in it's infancy. "

The Christian Church existed 300-500 years in Rome BEFORE the Roman Catholic Church.
The first official HolyBible - KJV was written in England ,ordered by King Henry VIII, & named after his uncle (also a Christian) King James .

Neither Judaism or ' Christianity was in it's infancy '.
True Faith does NOT grow-up or evolve to suit the wants of humankind.
The Creator did not change his mind.
Nor do we get to vote on his decisions.

Have a good day.


Shalom

Actually I didn't mind his answer Sass. The problem.with this piece scripture along with few others..is that its a favorite one for men to use when they feel a woman is getting to uppitty or outspoken and has forgotten her 'place' and is often used bt chauvinists or 'macho' type men who like to feel in control and superior to women

I see some futile attempts by some neo-christian "reformists" trying to rationalize or explain the raw scripture away in order to please the Jews and influence the Greeks. ALL SCRIPTURE were inspired by the Spirit of God, not paul's spirit or opinion. TAKE IT AS YOU READ OR LEAVE IT

I wonder if that was not purpose of.starting this in first place

All of the above is wrong.

1) The Christian Church existed in Rome as soon as the first Christian congregation was formed in Rome, which happened during the lifetime of the Apostle Paul ... .during the First Century of the Common Era. The Roman Catholic Church had its official beginning in 1054 CE when the Patriarch of Rome split from the other Patriarchs.

2) The Roman Catholic Church had its own official Bible long before the year 1611 CE.

3) The KJV came into existence when England's King James I commissioned the Church of England to produce a new English version of the Bible.

By the way, the Apostle Paul wrote his epistles during the First Century CE, not in the year 611 CE. So, yes, Christianity was still in its infancy when Paul was writing.

Uh, no. I simply wanted to know how female preachers and those who support them interpret the Apostle Paul's instructions.

Gee, uche9aa, are you trying to catch flies with vinegar?

Well then I do apologize
still kinda new around these parts
don't really know you yet

No harm done.

No! Except that sometimes when someone wants to catch flies with 'honey', he might end up catching ants, snakes, scorpions and other undesirable elements. Pleasing the Jews and influencing the Greeks. This has been the bane of modern christianity.

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I do not consider the Roman Catholic Church as the beginning of Christianity. Just 'organized religion'
In Rome,Christians met in secret for hundreds & hundreds of years (while Roman was pagan), in (caves,) catacombs.
I used this example to distinguish between Religion & Faith.
And to distinguish between the TRUE definition of "Church"- followers of Christ, in the body of Christ TO a human made organized & controlling doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church ... that CHURCH is NOT an organization or a building to a TRUE Christian.
As a Protestant myself (technically- protesting All Catholicism), I don't consider any other Bible but the (original) KJV, as a Holy Bible.
Nor do I consider ANY 'organized' Protestant denomination or sec as a Church.
* I can see where this would confuse some*
I see where the confusion of ' Kings & Bible's comes in. Yes, I should of specified that as the official break from the Pope & the Vatican.
Yes, I do agree about Paul.

BUT... you did NOT say this ^^^^ in your initial post & could of used a Bible concordance to find the scrpture or googled it.
This thread should be in Christian Singles, since you are NOT asking ALL Faiths about women teaching of preaching.

Have a good day

We could discuss it in private. And maybe laugh at the advantages of being ' divorced'

the Pauline Mess!

My thing is either they are paul's instructions or the god's instructions...pick either one to be the "chauvinist"...but if paul is pointed at as the culprit, and the god isn't gender biased, then paul's writings are his own and ARE NOT the "word of god". The words of a man who is using a religious organization to oppress/maintain a state of oppression of women.

AND, that renders suspect the writing of the rest of the men.

Maybe the old god was less of a misogynist, his testament did have a book of Ruth (of course that was a treatise on female conduct)....hmmmmmm

their is an order of things