I rest my case

What did the child do to deserve such a punishment? If nothing, then why is the child punished for something someone else did? Where's the justification in that?

I didn't say right or wrong. You have no clue the nightmare it would be. Right or wrong, it's for God to judge not you

When a man gets pregnant from rape, then I will listen

Again, it's not the woman's life being taken away we're talking about here. It's about the little child inside of her that has absolutely nothing to do with how it was created. And abortion is murdering that child before again it does anything whatsoever and will never experience life's experiences. And only ever have experience of being murdered through the abortion. For again the baby did absolutely nothing to deserve the death penalty. And the "the baby doesn't feel it" doesn't justify it, for that execution will keep that child from ever experiencing anything in this world good or bad and even down to again feeling the grass between their twos or the wind on their face. Just because someone decided their life wasn't worth anything because of the way it was made.

I didn't say that at all! A woman's life is in a sense taken away! Right or wrong it is for God to judge. Humans aren't God!

Yes, woman's life is "in a sense taken away", the baby's life is literally taken away. No we aren't God, so why is it our discretion to say if the child lives or dies?

so the woman has a choice - get raped or die, and your talking about the life of something that not really even alive? the woman had NO choice, but yet your saying she should continue to have NO choice in whether to keep it or not? you say yourself that all people have choices, but yet here you are saying we/women don't have a choice... no wonder people can't grasp the ridiculousness of religion....


the moral codes were broken when the poor women were kidnapped and raped, and yet here you are glorifying god by saying it's not their place to have an option of abortion??

why don't you go to Nigeria and take care of these 200 kids? feed them, cloth them, buy everything they need for the next 15 years... god wants you to do this...

for me, no,, there is no avoiding the trauma, rather one goes through the procedure of giving birth and giving the child away or having an abortion and seeing the child discarded,,,

I am not in favor of forcing those particular pregnant girls to conform to the religious beliefs of a third party that doesn't even live in their nation.

Also, it is the state that determines which killings are murder and which killings aren't.

So, has the government of Nigeria declared abortion to be murder?

So your saying a child's life is no more important then say a vehicle someone doesn't wish to "keep"? The child isn't their's to "keep". That child has a life all in it's own, yes that baby child will depend on someone(s) for a time being while they grow up due to ignorance of the world. But none the less in speaking of a "life" isn't their's just as much valuable as any other's? So why should the mother have the "choice" to end "another's" life before they can do anything in it? Again, that baby's life isn't their mother's possession, nor the dad's, nor anyone else's but their own.

Doesn't really matter if the government of Nigeria deemed it "lawful" to "murder" the fetus. It's again not their possession, nor their life to choose if the baby keeps it or not. It's not about "religion" when it boils down to it. The mother got raped, is a true tragedy. But why should the child be punished for it? Especially when the child in no which way or other had any influence on the decision? Who has the right to choose weather another living, breathing, human being looses their life or not. Especially once again when the "person" in question has done literally absolutely nothing to deserve it.

not a child, it's a fetus... and it's not up to me to decide, it's up to the woman to decide.. my whole point is that it really doesn't matter what me or you think, we will never be put in that position, so we should honor what the woman wants.... and in this case, schoolchildren... you really think you know better than the woman on this matter?

there is legal and illegal, which is based only on the law

there are religious laws where illegal is called 'sin'

there are mans laws where illegal is called 'criminal'

there is right and wrong, and then beyond all that there is understandable and unreasonable

people can do things wrong, criminal, and sinful, but understandable because they are human and emotional and taking the 'right' path is sometimes very hard


I believe the original question is about right and wrong and in a religious thread, is being asked in the context of religious law,,,,

in which case, because abortion is mentioned only in the sense that God knows us BEFORE we are in the womb, most following religous doctrine consider life in the womb Gods creation and only Gods to take,,,

it is not as clear and direct as though shall not commit adultery , for instance, so there will always be debate

A fetus is just as much a child as the one crawling around on the ground, or crying in their cribs, or anything. Again, how is it up to the woman if the baby keeps their life or looses it before doing anything to influence either decision on the case?



So what would the baby want? As again, that's whom we're discussing, the baby's life, not the woman's. A baby is not a "possession", is not a "thing" or an "object". It is an entire singular being just as you or I. So if the mother gets to choose over the baby's life in pregnancy, why is she not allowed ability to choose life or death over the child at a later date?

all laws, sins or whatever aside, i'm just pointing out my opinions on this... seems more logical for the woman to have ALL the decision making power, since she has to be responsible for the children till they are grown...

Again, the taking the life of another is just that. The taking the life of another. What's it truly matter if it's a fetus, a baby, a toddler, a teenager, a grown person, or an elderly? It's still that person's own life to live.

i would argue they aren't people till they take their first breath...

Again, how does she have all the decision making power? It is not her life, not her soul, not her body, not her anything in that context. Yes, it's her child. But children are not objects or things a person can do anything they wish with. It is still a living soul, in her, or after the child comes out.

How are they not a "people"? What makes them change into a "people" at birth? What's the difference between the being inside the woman or the being outside the woman?

just a difference of opinion, nothing more... if a fetus hasn't had a life, no thoughts, seen nothing, tasted nothing, probably can hear things, but can't possibly understand what it is hearing, how is that alive? it's heart is beating, not much else going on...