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If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions?
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If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? It varies by state. |
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If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? It varies by state. In Maryland? Does the state get back all the money that pensioner put in or the family? |
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Racists mugshots
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it should go to the family, but I dont know what the law says about it
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lets not forget, they have only been charged, not convicted. IMO theres little chance that all the charges will actually stick and the majority of these cops will get off. just my opinion.
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If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? It varies by state. In Maryland? Does the state get back all the money that pensioner put in or the family? If they have more than 10 years of service they will collect the pension as far as I know. They can retire before they are sentenced and then definitely collect it. |
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lets not forget, they have only been charged, not convicted. IMO theres little chance that all the charges will actually stick and the majority of these cops will get off. just my opinion. yeah, could be another rodney king verdict, but I think the neglect part is easier to prove than the unnecessary force (when someone is seen or depicted as a monster or animal,, that unnecessary force argument somehow begins to elude jurors) |
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lets not forget, they have only been charged, not convicted. IMO theres little chance that all the charges will actually stick and the majority of these cops will get off. just my opinion. yeah, could be another rodney king verdict, but I think the neglect part is easier to prove than the unnecessary force (when someone is seen or depicted as a monster or animal,, that unnecessary force argument somehow begins to elude jurors) just wait till theyre all found not guilty, you think the riots were bad before? |
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Innocent until proven guilty.
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Innocent until proven guilty. if your a cop then yeah, everyone else is guilty until proven innocent. |
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Edited by
Seakolony
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If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? They will lose all pensions and benefits due to losing their jobs. That need to work 30 years in their jobs to receive full compensation during retirement. If they are just suspended and are not convicted and go back to their jobs to work the thirty years all would be reinstated. |
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If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? It varies by state. In Maryland? Does the state get back all the money that pensioner put in or the family? If they have more than 10 years of service they will collect the pension as far as I know. They can retire before they are sentenced and then definitely collect it. Even if they have to do a prison sentence? I always thought that the state have to recuperate any acquired assets to offset the money it would cost to do a prison sentence. |
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lets not forget, they have only been charged, not convicted. IMO theres little chance that all the charges will actually stick and the majority of these cops will get off. just my opinion. Given the social implications of those officers and the notoriety of the case, I think it's highly likely that at least 3 of them will be convicted. |
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If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? It varies by state. In Maryland? Does the state get back all the money that pensioner put in or the family? If they have more than 10 years of service they will collect the pension as far as I know. They can retire before they are sentenced and then definitely collect it. Even if they have to do a prison sentence? I always thought that the state have to recuperate any acquired assets to offset the money it would cost to do a prison sentence. Maryland is a very pro union state as is Baltimore City. I would have to look at the police union contract with the city to be sure, but I seriously doubt they lose their pensions if convicted. |
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urbanexchange asked >>>
If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? Hmmm, interesting question and as I thought this was unilaterally covered under their Police Union Rules & guidelines --- It's not! SHOCKED ME...but here's something from 2010 in Philadelphia that they were discussing about this very issue and crocked cops >>> PhillyConfidential Should criminal cops lose their pensions? I've fielded a ton of calls and e-mails in the last few days from readers who are angry about city cops who are keeping their pension benefits even after they've been fired from the force or arrested for committing serious crimes. One reader asked today, "Can't you find out if anyone is going to do something about this?" Here's an excerpt of the answer that will appear in tomorrow's Daily News: One after another, stories about bad cops have fallen around the city like dominoes lately, each one more disturbing than the next. There has, however, been one common thread: many of those who have been fired from the force or arrested have had no fear of losing their pension. Some of accused face charges that range from murder to rape to soliciting sex from a minor. As it stands now, the city code doesn't call for a city employee - be it a cop, firefighter or trash collector - to lose his pension, even if he's convicted of one of those crimes. Count City Councilman Frank Rizzo among those who are wondering if the code needs to be changed. "I just began discussing this my staff today," Rizzo said earlier today. "It's something that we're going to look into after the [city] budget is finished," he said. "We'll probably have to hold hearings." Rizzo said he was bothered by a recent spate of stories about cops who have retired from the force a day before they were arrested. Many have interpreted the sudden retirements as last ditch attempts on the cops' behalf at saving their pension benefits. Officer Anthony Floyd, a 14-year veteran, retired on Tuesday, and was charged the following day with assaulting and harassing a woman he was dating. Another longtime cop, Tyrone Wiggins, retired a day before he was arrested on rape charges in November. "We can't have cops retiring one day, then getting arrested the next," Rizzo said. Even cops fired for gross misconduct are not blocked from receiving a pension. Also this week, Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey fired Sgt. Robert Ralston after the 21-year veteran admitted that he shot himself last month and created a phony story about being shot by a black man with corn rows. Chapter 22-1300 of the city code states that a city employee could lose retirement benefits only if he or she pleads or is found guilty of perjury; accepting or offering a bribe; engaging in graft or corruption; theft, embezzlement or willful misapplication of city funds; malfeasance in office or engaging in conspiracy to commit any of the above. Former city managing director Phil Goldsmith said that the city code should be amended to include harsh penalties for employees who committed serious felonies. "If someone has violated the public's trust, they should lose their benefits," he said. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncrime/Should_criminal_cops_lose_their_pension_.html#Ir21524F2qRuXWwP.99 So...if some of these 6 think they're more apt to be found copeable then the rest they may opt out for an early retirement and skate under any penalties if this city has the same problem that Philly does! |
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If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? They will lose all pensions and benefits due to losing their jobs. That need to work 30 years in their jobs to receive full compensation during retirement. If they are just suspended and are not convicted and go back to their jobs to work the thirty years all would be reinstated. Hence, the City of Baltimore's motive to render a conviction. One less cop to shell out benefits and pension. Pension payouts are costing major cities, including Baltimore across the nation a lot of money. In NYC (where I live), police pensions are almost 1/2 of NYC budget. I'm not saying that 1 conviction will help them save money. I'm just questioning the City of Baltimore's motive. It would financially be to their advantage to convict those officers. And it's easier for them to do that because of the race of each officer. |
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If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? They will lose all pensions and benefits due to losing their jobs. That need to work 30 years in their jobs to receive full compensation during retirement. If they are just suspended and are not convicted and go back to their jobs to work the thirty years all would be reinstated. Hence, the City of Baltimore's motive to render a conviction. One less cop to shell out benefits and pension. Pension payouts are costing major cities, including Baltimore across the nation a lot of money. In NYC (where I live), police pensions are almost 1/2 of NYC budget. I'm not saying that 1 conviction will help them save money. I'm just questioning the City of Baltimore's motive. It would financially be to their advantage to convict those officers. And it's easier for them to do that because of the race of each officer. that just proves even further we are living in a police state, if half of your whole budget is being used to pay for cops, your living in a police state. |
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urbanexchange asked >>>
If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? Hmmm, interesting question and as I thought this was unilaterally covered under their Police Union Rules & guidelines --- It's not! SHOCKED ME...but here's something from 2010 in Philadelphia that they were discussing about this very issue and crocked cops >>> PhillyConfidential Should criminal cops lose their pensions? I've fielded a ton of calls and e-mails in the last few days from readers who are angry about city cops who are keeping their pension benefits even after they've been fired from the force or arrested for committing serious crimes. One reader asked today, "Can't you find out if anyone is going to do something about this?" Here's an excerpt of the answer that will appear in tomorrow's Daily News: One after another, stories about bad cops have fallen around the city like dominoes lately, each one more disturbing than the next. There has, however, been one common thread: many of those who have been fired from the force or arrested have had no fear of losing their pension. Some of accused face charges that range from murder to rape to soliciting sex from a minor. As it stands now, the city code doesn't call for a city employee - be it a cop, firefighter or trash collector - to lose his pension, even if he's convicted of one of those crimes. Count City Councilman Frank Rizzo among those who are wondering if the code needs to be changed. "I just began discussing this my staff today," Rizzo said earlier today. "It's something that we're going to look into after the [city] budget is finished," he said. "We'll probably have to hold hearings. ." Rizzo said he was bothered by a recent spate of stories about cops who have retired from the force a day before they were arrested. Many have interpreted the sudden retirements as last ditch attempts on the cops' behalf at saving their pension benefits. Officer Anthony Floyd, a 14-year veteran, retired on Tuesday, and was charged the following day with assaulting and harassing a woman he was dating. Another longtime cop, Tyrone Wiggins, retired a day before he was arrested on rape charges in November. "We can't have cops retiring one day, then getting arrested the next," Rizzo said. Even cops fired for gross misconduct are not blocked from receiving a pension. Also this week, Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey fired Sgt. Robert Ralston after the 21-year veteran admitted that he shot himself last month and created a phony story about being shot by a black man with corn rows. Chapter 22-1300 of the city code states that a city employee could lose retirement benefits only if he or she pleads or is found guilty of perjury; accepting or offering a bribe; engaging in graft or corruption; theft, embezzlement or willful misapplication of city funds; malfeasance in office or engaging in conspiracy to commit any of the above. Former city managing director Phil Goldsmith said that the city code should be amended to include harsh penalties for employees who committed serious felonies. "If someone has violated the public's trust, they should lose their benefits," he said. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncrime/Should_criminal_cops_lose_their_pension_.html#Ir21524F2qRuXWwP.99 So...if some of these 6 think they're more apt to be found copeable then the rest they may opt out for an early retirement and skate under any penalties if this city has the same problem that Philly does! So this means that the local government are trying to defund pensions by convicting them. The only difference in the Baltimore case is that 3 cops are Caucasian: 3 cops are African American. I know at least 2 of them has been on the force since the 90s: at a time when pension contributions were relatively low. |
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urbanexchange asked >>>
If those officers are convicted of murder, what would happen to their pensions? Hmmm, interesting question and as I thought this was unilaterally covered under their Police Union Rules & guidelines --- It's not! SHOCKED ME...but here's something from 2010 in Philadelphia that they were discussing about this very issue and crocked cops >>> PhillyConfidential Should criminal cops lose their pensions? I've fielded a ton of calls and e-mails in the last few days from readers who are angry about city cops who are keeping their pension benefits even after they've been fired from the force or arrested for committing serious crimes. One reader asked today, "Can't you find out if anyone is going to do something about this?" Here's an excerpt of the answer that will appear in tomorrow's Daily News: One after another, stories about bad cops have fallen around the city like dominoes lately, each one more disturbing than the next. There has, however, been one common thread: many of those who have been fired from the force or arrested have had no fear of losing their pension. Some of accused face charges that range from murder to rape to soliciting sex from a minor. As it stands now, the city code doesn't call for a city employee - be it a cop, firefighter or trash collector - to lose his pension, even if he's convicted of one of those crimes. Count City Councilman Frank Rizzo among those who are wondering if the code needs to be changed. "I just began discussing this my staff today," Rizzo said earlier today. "It's something that we're going to look into after the [city] budget is finished," he said. "We'll probably have to hold hearings. ." Rizzo said he was bothered by a recent spate of stories about cops who have retired from the force a day before they were arrested. Many have interpreted the sudden retirements as last ditch attempts on the cops' behalf at saving their pension benefits. Officer Anthony Floyd, a 14-year veteran, retired on Tuesday, and was charged the following day with assaulting and harassing a woman he was dating. Another longtime cop, Tyrone Wiggins, retired a day before he was arrested on rape charges in November. "We can't have cops retiring one day, then getting arrested the next," Rizzo said. Even cops fired for gross misconduct are not blocked from receiving a pension. Also this week, Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey fired Sgt. Robert Ralston after the 21-year veteran admitted that he shot himself last month and created a phony story about being shot by a black man with corn rows. Chapter 22-1300 of the city code states that a city employee could lose retirement benefits only if he or she pleads or is found guilty of perjury; accepting or offering a bribe; engaging in graft or corruption; theft, embezzlement or willful misapplication of city funds; malfeasance in office or engaging in conspiracy to commit any of the above. Former city managing director Phil Goldsmith said that the city code should be amended to include harsh penalties for employees who committed serious felonies. "If someone has violated the public's trust, they should lose their benefits," he said. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncrime/Should_criminal_cops_lose_their_pension_.html#Ir21524F2qRuXWwP.99 So...if some of these 6 think they're more apt to be found copeable then the rest they may opt out for an early retirement and skate under any penalties if this city has the same problem that Philly does! So this means that the local government are trying to defund pensions by convicting them. The only difference in the Baltimore case is that 3 cops are Caucasian: 3 cops are African American. I know at least 2 of them has been on the force since the 90s: at a time when pension contributions were relatively low. I looked up the contract and you only need 5 years in service to be eligible for a pension. |
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