Topic: Indonesia Executions
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Wed 04/29/15 09:07 AM
Should drug traffickers be hanged?

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Wed 04/29/15 09:13 AM
Edited by Pansytilly on Wed 04/29/15 09:14 AM
They should be interrogated properly for them to give out the names of the higher ups...
Hanging them makes the industry more lucrative, eventually...
And can potentially victimize the people who are in it without a way out...

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Wed 04/29/15 09:24 AM
Hanged? Why hanged?spock

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Wed 04/29/15 09:26 AM

Hanged? Why hanged?spock


Indonesian law... Brazilian and australian drug traffickers...

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Wed 04/29/15 09:33 AM

Should drug traffickers be hanged?
If they want to commit a crime in a country that they know has the death penalty for that crime, if caught, then they made that choice at the end of the day? No use crying cos it's all gone pear-shaped?

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Wed 04/29/15 09:37 AM
wonder how much Drugs went through while they intercepted the Small Fry!

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Wed 04/29/15 09:39 AM


Should drug traffickers be hanged?
If they want to commit a crime in a country that they know has the death penalty for that crime, if caught, then they made that choice at the end of the day? No use crying cos it's all gone pear-shaped?


Lol...reminded me of that teen that threw gum on the singaporean sidewalk...

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Wed 04/29/15 09:47 AM

Should drug traffickers be hanged?


NO.

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Wed 04/29/15 09:48 AM
Edited by alleoops on Wed 04/29/15 09:50 AM

wonder how much Drugs went through while they intercepted the Small Fry!

Maybe the Indonesian government wants to eliminate the competition.
Hanging is a form of a death penalty so ok, I guess.

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Wed 04/29/15 09:53 AM



Should drug traffickers be hanged?
If they want to commit a crime in a country that they know has the death penalty for that crime, if caught, then they made that choice at the end of the day? No use crying cos it's all gone pear-shaped?


Lol...reminded me of that teen that threw gum on the singaporean sidewalk...

Sidewalk?? Good grief woman, it's a pavement you mean? ha ha ha, only joking with you Pansy!

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Wed 04/29/15 10:00 AM




Should drug traffickers be hanged?
If they want to commit a crime in a country that they know has the death penalty for that crime, if caught, then they made that choice at the end of the day? No use crying cos it's all gone pear-shaped?


Lol...reminded me of that teen that threw gum on the singaporean sidewalk...

Sidewalk?? Good grief woman, it's a pavement you mean? ha ha ha, only joking with you Pansy!


Bahaha... You say loo...they say toilet...i say CR...:laughing:

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Wed 04/29/15 04:37 PM
The whole case has sent a strong political message to Australia. Canberra has no business in telling the Indonesians how to conduct its Justice System, and it is somewhat hypocritical in light of the fact that the Aust. Federal Police provided information to the Indonesian authorities regarding the trafficking ring, which ultimately led to the arrests.

This is just another episode in the 'strained' relations between Australia and Indonesia.

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Wed 04/29/15 04:45 PM

The whole case has sent a strong political message to Australia. Canberra has no business in telling the Indonesians how to conduct its Justice System, and it is somewhat hypocritical in light of the fact that the Aust. Federal Police provided information to the Indonesian authorities regarding the trafficking ring, which ultimately led to the arrests.

This is just another episode in the 'strained' relations between Australia and Indonesia.


Including that Schapelle Corby fiasco.

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Wed 04/29/15 05:09 PM

Should drug traffickers be hanged?


If one willfully chooses to break
the law, one should expect the possibility
of consequences.

This falls under 'natural selection'.
Whereas, a person's own actions
dictates their fate.


No sympathy for those who knowingly forsake
a future.


Thoughts and prayers for the decedents' families.

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Wed 04/29/15 05:14 PM
Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Wed 04/29/15 05:39 PM
Indonesia 16 Statutory Provisions = DEATH Sentence {shots to the chest/beheading}

The following is a list of the criminal offenses that carry the death penalty in Indonesia:


Attempt with intent to deprive the President or Vice-President of his or her life or liberty or to render him or her unfit to govern

Aiding or protecting Indonesia’s enemies at war

Fraud in delivery of military materials in time of war

Killing the head of state of a friendly state

Premeditated murder

Robbery or theft resulting in grave injury or death

Piracy resulting in death

Instigating or inciting rebellion or riot against a state defense company during times of war

Extortion with violence

Possession and misuse of firearm and/or other explosive

Criminal acts during air flights or against aviation infrastructure

Production, transit, import and possession of psychotropic drugs

Production, transit, import and possession of narcotics

Corruption under �certain circumstances,� including repeat offenders and corruption committed during times of national emergency/disaster

Gross violations of human rights, including genocide and crimes against humanity

Acts of terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Indonesia

Method

Prisoners (particularly those convicted of murder, terrorism or drug trafficking offences) spend a long time languishing in prison before their sentence is finally carried out. Usually their final appeal has been exhausted through the courts and President. Prisoners and their families are notified 72 hours in advance of their pending execution. They are usually transferred to Nusa Kambangan island. They are woken up in the middle of the night and taken to a remote (and undisclosed) location and executed by firing squad. The method has not changed since 1964.

Capital punishment is carried out in Indonesia by a firing squad. The prisoner blindfolded is led to a grassy area where they have an option to sit or stand. The 12 armed executioners shoot the prisoner in the chest from a range of five to ten metres. Only three fire live bullets and the rest fire blanks. If the prisoner does not die, the Commander is required to issue a final bullet to the prisoner's head.


STATS - executions
2015: Ang Kiem Soei (Netherlands - Drug trafficking), Marco Archer Cardoso Moreira, 53 (Brazil - Drug trafficking), Daniel Enemuo 38 (Nigeria - Drug trafficking), Namaona Denis, 48 (Malawi -�� Drug trafficking), Rani Andriani (Indonesia -�� Drug trafficking), Tran Bich Hanh (Vietnam -�� Drug trafficking),[13]Martin Anderson (Nigeria – Drug trafficking), Raheem Agbaje Salaami (Nigeria -�� Drug trafficking), Sylvester Obiekwe Nwolise (Nigeria - Drug trafficking), Okwudili Oyatanze (Nigeria - Drug trafficking), Zainal Abidin (Indonesia -�� Drug trafficking), Rodrigo Gularte (Brazil -�� Drug trafficking)Andrew Chan (Australia -�� Drug trafficking), Myuran Sukumaran (Australia -�� Drug trafficking).[14]
2014: None
2013: Ademi (or Adami or Adam) Wilson alias Abu (Malawi - Drug trafficking), Suryadi Swabuana (Murder), Jurit bin Abdullah (Murder), Ibrahim bin Ujang (Murder)
2012: None
2011: None
2010: None
2009: None
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So do they have a serious drug problem there '?' anyone know???


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Wed 04/29/15 09:54 PM


Should drug traffickers be hanged?


If one willfully chooses to break
the law, one should expect the possibility
of consequences.

This falls under 'natural selection'.
Whereas, a person's own actions
dictates their fate.


No sympathy for those who knowingly forsake
a future.


Thoughts and prayers for the decedents' families.


Agreed, it is bad enough when ANY nation, smacks it's citizens on the wrists.
But letting a non national get off easy is an even bigger mistake. It just opens the door wider for a foreign criminal element.



*Ask any American about our illegal alien criminal (slash) criminal element. frustrated
Many European courts who have found Islamic Terrorists guilty are not deporting them back to their country. They are literally walking out.
Deportation is not being carried out, for fear that their own country will execute them.... OH WELL... if 2 counties find you guilty, you probably are. *

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Thu 04/30/15 09:54 AM
Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Thu 04/30/15 09:56 AM
Well...that's the end of the 2 pending Auzzie's that were being held; I don't know if there are other's over there on death row...but I'd think that this would STOP ANY FURTHER attempts of those drug smugglers from traveling there!

But wasn't there a movie/by line/TV series about some American getting caught up in a drug ring but the stuff was planted in her luggage? Now I can't remember if I read about it or it was on some show?


Tony Abbott Prime Minister of Australia
· April 28 at 5:51pm ·

The Australian Government deeply regrets the executions of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

The Government had hoped that Indonesia would show mercy to these young men, who have worked hard since their arrests to rehabilitate themselves and improve the lives of other prisoners.

They committed a serious crime. Lengthy prison terms would have been an appropriate punishment.

In jail, Andrew Chan brought comfort and hope to others and Myuran Sukumaran shared his skills to give prisoners the chance of a better life. Our thoughts and prayers are with Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran'��s family and friends at this extremely difficult time.

Australia respects Indonesia’s sovereignty, but deeply regrets that Indonesia could not extend the mercy it so often seeks for its own citizens. We will withdraw our Ambassador for consultations once the men'��s bodies have been returned to the Chan and Sukumaran families.

Ministerial visits will remain suspended.


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Thu 04/30/15 11:10 AM
seems the under lying message here is "don't sell drugs in Indonesia"... not hard to understand...

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Thu 04/30/15 11:15 AM

Well...that's the end of the 2 pending Auzzie's that were being held; I don't know if there are other's over there on death row...but I'd think that this would STOP ANY FURTHER attempts of those drug smugglers from traveling there!

But wasn't there a movie/by line/TV series about some American getting caught up in a drug ring but the stuff was planted in her luggage? Now I can't remember if I read about it or it was on some show?


Tony Abbott Prime Minister of Australia
· April 28 at 5:51pm ·

The Australian Government deeply regrets the executions of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

The Government had hoped that Indonesia would show mercy to these young men, who have worked hard since their arrests to rehabilitate themselves and improve the lives of other prisoners.

They committed a serious crime. Lengthy prison terms would have been an appropriate punishment.

In jail, Andrew Chan brought comfort and hope to others and Myuran Sukumaran shared his skills to give prisoners the chance of a better life. Our thoughts and prayers are with Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran'€™s family and friends at this extremely difficult time.

Australia respects Indonesia’s sovereignty, but deeply regrets that Indonesia could not extend the mercy it so often seeks for its own citizens. We will withdraw our Ambassador for consultations once the men'€™s bodies have been returned to the Chan and Sukumaran families.

Ministerial visits will remain suspended.


Seems there were on 8 of the Bali 9 executed:

The guns were loaded. The coffins were open. Mary Jane Veloso was prepared to die.

Some of her family members waited in the “tent of grief” on Indonesia’s Nusakambangan Island. Others were on a bus to the country’s capital, Jakarta, to wait for Veloso’s body. Her children were asleep in a van parked along a road near “Execution Island” when, shortly after midnight, a news crew told her two young sons that she had been granted a temporary stay.

“My mama is alive! My mama is alive,” they shouted, according to the Sydney Morning Herald.

Veloso, 30, became the sole survivor — for now — of Wednesday’s executions. Eight people were put to death by a firing squad, including two ringleaders of the “Bali Nine,” a group of Australians convicted of smuggling heroin from Indonesia into Australia. “The executions have been successfully implemented, perfectly,” Indonesian Attorney General Muhammad Prasetyo said, the Associated Press reported. “All worked, no misses.”
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She was the lady that I'd heard about; the maid that had traveled there for a job only to find out that it had been filled and when she tried to fly home the government confiscated her luggage and found drugs stuffed into her carry on!

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Thu 04/30/15 01:31 PM

Should drug traffickers be hanged?


No I don't think they should be hung.

But

If you go into a country that has those type of published penalties for drug smuggling on the books. Then you are knowingly taking that risk when you strap on those bricks of coke or heroin ( or whatever)

get caught doing that and you face their penalties.. Plain and simple