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I agree. not 15
but closer to entry level office work which is 10-12 dollars an hour neither require special training and could be argued that 'anyone' can do them. |
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I agree. not 15 but closer to entry level office work which is 10-12 dollars an hour neither require special training and could be argued that 'anyone' can do them. |
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Again, considering that we have 50 states and this country literally spans across a continent, why should we have a one-size-fits-all minimum wage? Each state has its own economy, and we have a Tenth Amendment, which clearly states that the powers not granted to the federal are to be handled by the states. Wages are one of those issues. In Williston, North Dakota burger flippers actually make $15/hour because that's what the market demands. In other places, construction workers make less than $15/hour because that's what the market demands. If the employer and employee agree on the wage, what's the problem?
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Wed 04/22/15 01:32 PM
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It's important to realize that the minimum wage is not intended to be a living wage.
It's quite arrogant of fast food workers thinking they deserve a wage of $15 an hour when a Licensed Practical Nurse, for instance, starts at $17 an hour with more than a year of special training and licensing on top of college prerequisites, and has a much MUCH more stressful, as well as, important job. Priorities anyone? Problem is the lack of "middle income" jobs, which are getting outsourced. Making low income/minimum wage jobs pay as though they were middle income, is quite foolish. |
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It's important to realize that the minimum wage is not intended to be a living wage. It's quite arrogant of fast food workers thinking they deserve a wage of $15 an hour when a Licensed Practical Nurse, for instance, starts at $17 an hour with more than a year of special training and licensing on top of college prerequisites, and has a much MUCH more stressful, as well as, important job. Priorities anyone? Problem is the lack of "middle income" jobs, which are getting outsourced. Making low income/minimum wage jobs pay as though they were middle income, is quite foolish. i agree, i think the whole idea is silly and not worth any attention at all... |
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It's important to realize that the minimum wage is not intended to be a living wage. It's quite arrogant of fast food workers thinking they deserve a wage of $15 an hour when a Licensed Practical Nurse, for instance, starts at $17 an hour with more than a year of special training and licensing on top of college prerequisites, and has a much MUCH more stressful, as well as, important job. Priorities anyone? Problem is the lack of "middle income" jobs, which are getting outsourced. Making low income/minimum wage jobs pay as though they were middle income, is quite foolish. And this hurts small business owners and their employees. If minimum wage goes up to $15/hour, how many people making somewhere between the current minimum wage and $15/hour, who are doing OK, will now be unemployed? That guy who is currently supporting his family on $12/hour will find it difficult to make ends meet now that he's making $0/hour because his small business owning boss had to let someone go. |
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It's important to realize that the minimum wage is not intended to be a living wage. It's quite arrogant of fast food workers thinking they deserve a wage of $15 an hour when a Licensed Practical Nurse, for instance, starts at $17 an hour with more than a year of special training and licensing on top of college prerequisites, and has a much MUCH more stressful, as well as, important job. Priorities anyone? Problem is the lack of "middle income" jobs, which are getting outsourced. Making low income/minimum wage jobs pay as though they were middle income, is quite foolish. the real shame is those that who are skilled, are grossly underpaid also...if hospitals can charge patients 10 bucks apiece for an aspirin or a bandaid...they can sure as hell afford to pay an LPN way more than 17 bucks an hour... normal auto mechanic repair charges rated at $75.00 an hour to the customer.. normal auto mechanic pay...$25-30 dollars an hour....same difference companies today don't want to make a reasonable profit...they want to gouge your eyes out....and tell you to take it or leave it.... |
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It's important to realize that the minimum wage is not intended to be a living wage. It's quite arrogant of fast food workers thinking they deserve a wage of $15 an hour when a Licensed Practical Nurse, for instance, starts at $17 an hour with more than a year of special training and licensing on top of college prerequisites, and has a much MUCH more stressful, as well as, important job. Priorities anyone? Problem is the lack of "middle income" jobs, which are getting outsourced. Making low income/minimum wage jobs pay as though they were middle income, is quite foolish. the real shame is those that who are skilled, are grossly underpaid also...if hospitals can charge patients 10 bucks apiece for an aspirin or a bandaid...they can sure as hell afford to pay an LPN way more than 17 bucks an hour... normal auto mechanic repair charges rated at $75.00 an hour to the customer.. normal auto mechanic pay...$25-30 dollars an hour....same difference companies today don't want to make a reasonable profit...they want to gouge your eyes out....and tell you to take it or leave it.... What gets overlooked is that the owners need to pay their employees, then they have basic expenses such as rent, electricity, water, and other utilities. Then add the fact that the owners also need to cover their own personal expenses. People are quick to blame the business owners, but they don't consider that without government intervention, business expenses would be less, therefore they could charge their customers less and their employees' dollars would go farther. |
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Again, considering that we have 50 states and this country literally spans across a continent, why should we have a one-size-fits-all minimum wage? Each state has its own economy, and we have a Tenth Amendment, which clearly states that the powers not granted to the federal are to be handled by the states. Wages are one of those issues. In Williston, North Dakota burger flippers actually make $15/hour because that's what the market demands. In other places, construction workers make less than $15/hour because that's what the market demands. If the employer and employee agree on the wage, what's the problem? |
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Was the fast food industry ( store level) ever really designed to be a wage earner type job? I have always believed that these type jobs were primarily designed for kids in high school, college kids looking to earn some money and gain some business experience. or people supplementing another income and retired folks looking to work some and earn some extra income Meaning a start in the work force or a secondary type job. Meaning entry level pay. Same as the kids working in the movie theaters, caddies, car wash, ect , ect. So if you chose to work in a fast food work environment as your primary job, you expect to be paid $15 per hour??... when other service type entry level jobs pay far less? What part of the pay scale did they not understand when they took the job?.. Now its a problem? Working at a McDonald's (or other service type companies),is not mandatory... if you don't like the pay... don't work there. And if that is all you are qualified to do, then don't expect others to pay for your shortcomings. JMO this is inconsistent with society's mandate that people needing work accept whatever is out there times have changed,, from when jobs were secure , now there are fewer and fewer that offer any real security, and with most living check to check, that leaves PLENTY Of citizens between work that still need to eat in a society that disdains taxpayer money helping them get through,, so more people have to 'accept' these jobs,, making them more than just for kids and also for adults facing hard times,, whose numbers grow larger and larger so if adults must take 'entry level' work to save the taxpayer their precious taxes,, than perhaps that entry level pay should now consider that their applicant pool has adjusted and adjust its pay with it, Again... it is not mandatory to work at McDonalds. They ( and other fast food establishments) do not grab people off of the street and force them to work. They put a sign in the window.. the people come in.. they (fast food place) tells them of the job description, hours and PAY. The applicant then has a decision to make. Do they accept that offer.. or not. If not, they leave.. if so, it means they understand the job, time and PAY We all have worked in those type places when we were kids..as our first " real job"...then we moved on...I worked in a ice cream store when I was in High school... I can not ever remember saying to myself " I'll put my 20 years in here giving people banana splits and then retire" don't like the pay.. then by all means.. don't take the job |
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It's important to realize that the minimum wage is not intended to be a living wage. It's quite arrogant of fast food workers thinking they deserve a wage of $15 an hour when a Licensed Practical Nurse, for instance, starts at $17 an hour with more than a year of special training and licensing on top of college prerequisites, and has a much MUCH more stressful, as well as, important job. Priorities anyone? Problem is the lack of "middle income" jobs, which are getting outsourced. Making low income/minimum wage jobs pay as though they were middle income, is quite foolish. You are right. Plus, LPN's and nurses have to have work related insurance. |
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this is my last comment on this subject....
federal minimum wage laws and labor laws have been enacted to keep companies from returning to the practices of the early 1900's when employers treated their workers as slaves....60 hour workweeks...forced overtime...no health insurance...no vacations...no pension plans, no job security, no sicktime, no credit for loyality (seniority) and the idea that if you don't like what we offer...go somewhere else...out of desperation people accepted these jobs (steel mills, coal mines etc) to put food on the table....... i guarantee if their were no laws governing labor practices these corporations would indeed happily revert to those practices again.....wages, across the board, are not keeping up with inflation.....one of their primary goals is to cut labor costs in this country no matter the cost to the citizen well being....you are not a human, only a number... it's take it or leave it, alright.....workers take it or we move our operation to china or taiwan or india or some other 3rd world country....just like we did with most of the good jobs in manufacturing that have disappeared in america.....why do think america has become nothing but a service based economy...you're either rich...or you serve the rich... take it or leave it.... |
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Most of those issues ^^^^ have not improved because of government intervention. In fact, many of those issues were improving PRIOR to the laws that were enacted.
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It's important to realize that the minimum wage is not intended to be a living wage. It's quite arrogant of fast food workers thinking they deserve a wage of $15 an hour when a Licensed Practical Nurse, for instance, starts at $17 an hour with more than a year of special training and licensing on top of college prerequisites, and has a much MUCH more stressful, as well as, important job. Priorities anyone? Problem is the lack of "middle income" jobs, which are getting outsourced. Making low income/minimum wage jobs pay as though they were middle income, is quite foolish. And this hurts small business owners and their employees. If minimum wage goes up to $15/hour, how many people making somewhere between the current minimum wage and $15/hour, who are doing OK, will now be unemployed? That guy who is currently supporting his family on $12/hour will find it difficult to make ends meet now that he's making $0/hour because his small business owning boss had to let someone go. only young single people can do 'ok' on the minimum wage and most small struggling business owners are exempt from minimum wage until the business begins to make 500 grand per year From the department of labor: http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/q-a.htm The minimum wage law (the FLSA) applies to employees of enterprises that have annual gross volume of sales or business done of at least $500,000 |
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Fast food workers, don't even deserve minimum wage.
Most are too stoopid to fill an order properly, or in a timely manner. I gotta wait, and the tards got my order wrong anyway. |
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Most of those issues ^^^^ have not improved because of government intervention. In fact, many of those issues were improving PRIOR to the laws that were enacted. i know it's not popular today.....but read a little about union history and collective bargaining..things improved because of blood shed on picket lines by the early organizers who refused to bow down to the industrial magnates, who, in their greed for the almighty dollar, gave no consideration, to the health or welfare of those toiled in miserable conditions to produce that profit for them....of course, to get laws enacted or enforced, the people must revolt as a group, only then, will laws be enacted or changed. civil rights, womens rights, desegregation, collective bargaining, all the important stuff... all brought about by the people willing to risk their lives for fair and equal treatment under the law..... *rant over....................Union Made, Union Proud.... |
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Most of those issues ^^^^ have not improved because of government intervention. In fact, many of those issues were improving PRIOR to the laws that were enacted. i know it's not popular today.....but read a little about union history and collective bargaining..things improved because of blood shed on picket lines by the early organizers who refused to bow down to the industrial magnates, who, in their greed for the almighty dollar, gave no consideration, to the health or welfare of those toiled in miserable conditions to produce that profit for them....of course, to get laws enacted or enforced, the people must revolt as a group, only then, will laws be enacted or changed. civil rights, womens rights, desegregation, collective bargaining, all the important stuff... all brought about by the people willing to risk their lives for fair and equal treatment under the law..... *rant over....................Union Made, Union Proud.... Unions have served their purpose. At one time they were necessary. They were a huge part of the shift that was taking place prior to government intervention. Once they became more about partisan politics and less about the workers they supposedly represent, they stopped being useful. |
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According to economists Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams, minimum-wage laws were promoted by all-white labor unions as a means to eliminate competition from non-union black workers.
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According to economists Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams, minimum-wage laws were promoted by all-white labor unions as a means to eliminate competition from non-union black workers. interesting theory, I thought a mandatory wage would kind of minimize the need for unions that negotiated wages themselves,, but, whatever the reason, thank goodness for the minimums,, employers may completely abuse the current 'take whatever is out there' culture we have now |
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Its all political.....
Democrats Are Rallying
Around $12 Wage Floor Senator Bernie Sanders called for a $15 minimum wage at a protest of federal government contract workers in Washington. DREW ANGERER FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES By NOAM SCHEIBER APRIL 22, 2015 WASHINGTON — Democrats in Congress are uniting around a proposal to raise the federal minimum wage to $12 an hour. Within the next several days, Senator Patty Murray, the top Democrat on the Senate committee that deals with labor issues, plans to introduce a bill to increase the minimum wage, in steps, from its current level of $7.25 to $12 by 2020. The measure has little chance of passing the Republican-controlled Congress in the near future, but it is the latest indication of Democrats’ rising ambitions for lifting the wage floor, an issue with considerable popular support in an era of increasing income inequality. The party is determined to elevate the issue in next year’s congressional and presidential elections. Senator Murray’s forthcoming bill, and a companion measure by Representative Robert C. Scott in the House, have considerable support within the party, according to congressional aides. Among the 15 to 20 Democrats who already back the effort in the Senate are Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, and Charles E. Schumer of New York, his chosen successor. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/23/business/economy/democrats-are-rallying-around-12-wage-floor.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer= Gotta get dem <(get it? dem?  ) votes!
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