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Basically he said free speech has gone to far and that if you insult religions then expect violence.
Quote People should refrain from insulting religion for the same reason, the Pope explained. "People who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others," the Pope said, "are provocateurs." And if they go past the "limit" of acceptable speech, violent retaliation is to be expected. "What happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit." |
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I have been a Catholic my whole life. Not sure how I feel about this pope? He's too liberal for me, I think?
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panchovanilla
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Fri 01/16/15 10:56 AM
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He is basically correct. He's just making an observation on
what has, and will continue to happen. But I'm not Catholic...so what do I know. 
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Basically he said free speech has gone to far and that if you insult religions then expect violence. Quote People should refrain from insulting religion for the same reason, the Pope explained. "People who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others," the Pope said, "are provocateurs." And if they go past the "limit" of acceptable speech, violent retaliation is to be expected. "What happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit." When taken out of context, perhaps...Truth is, I like this Pope...He is a great communicator and down to earth...To put his words into better perspective, this was also said... "His pretend punch aside, Francis by no means said the violent attack on Charlie Hebdo was justified. Quite the opposite: He said such horrific violence in God's name couldn't be justified and was an "aberration." But he said a reaction of some sort was to be expected." and this... "He said Francis' words were "spoken colloquially and in a friendly, intimate manner among colleagues and friends on the journey." He noted that Francis has spoken out clearly against the Paris attacks and that violence in God's name can never be justified." |
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He is basically correct. He's just making an observation on what has, and will continue to happen. He basically said that violence is okay if someone insults you? I can't agree with that. Ever. |
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I have been a Catholic my whole life. Not sure how I feel about this pope? He's too liberal for me, I think? I like him up to now but I can see where you're coming from. I do believe he has a point though. |
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be easier to ban all religions, makes about as much sense... religion always wants to control, and the religious folk can't/won't see this...
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Basically he said free speech has gone to far and that if you insult religions then expect violence. Quote People should refrain from insulting religion for the same reason, the Pope explained. "People who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others," the Pope said, "are provocateurs." And if they go past the "limit" of acceptable speech, violent retaliation is to be expected. "What happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit." When taken out of context, perhaps...Truth is, I like this Pope...He is a great communicator and down to earth...To put his words into better perspective, this was also said... "His pretend punch aside, Francis by no means said the violent attack on Charlie Hebdo was justified. Quite the opposite: He said such horrific violence in God's name couldn't be justified and was an "aberration." But he said a reaction of some sort was to be expected." and this... "He said Francis' words were "spoken colloquially and in a friendly, intimate manner among colleagues and friends on the journey." He noted that Francis has spoken out clearly against the Paris attacks and that violence in God's name can never be justified." Yes what happened in Paris was shocking and no insults deserve that. I do believe though that you can't just go around insulting religions. Having said that, violence is not the answer. |
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I have been a Catholic my whole life. Not sure how I feel about this pope? He's too liberal for me, I think? I like him up to now but I can see where you're coming from. I do believe he has a point though. This is not the first issue that the pope has commented on that I had to question? His viewpoints are more liberal than we are used to as Catholics....Jesus is my shepherd. The pope isn't. |
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Basically he said free speech has gone to far and that if you insult religions then expect violence. Quote People should refrain from insulting religion for the same reason, the Pope explained. "People who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others," the Pope said, "are provocateurs." And if they go past the "limit" of acceptable speech, violent retaliation is to be expected. "What happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit." When taken out of context, perhaps...Truth is, I like this Pope...He is a great communicator and down to earth...To put his words into better perspective, this was also said... "His pretend punch aside, Francis by no means said the violent attack on Charlie Hebdo was justified. Quite the opposite: He said such horrific violence in God's name couldn't be justified and was an "aberration." But he said a reaction of some sort was to be expected." and this... "He said Francis' words were "spoken colloquially and in a friendly, intimate manner among colleagues and friends on the journey." He noted that Francis has spoken out clearly against the Paris attacks and that violence in God's name can never be justified." Yes what happened in Paris was shocking and no insults deserve that. I do believe though that you can't just go around insulting religions. Having said that, violence is not the answer. That's the point. You CAN just go around insulting religions. It's called freedom of speech. As a Catholic, my religion is insulted way more than the Muslim religion. I....do not want to kill anyone for it. Everyone has a right to their own opinion..... |
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be easier to ban all religions, makes about as much sense... religion always wants to control, and the religious folk can't/won't see this... ^^^^^like^^^^^ Ya I know...not fb. Still like. 
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Basically he said free speech has gone to far and that if you insult religions then expect violence. Quote People should refrain from insulting religion for the same reason, the Pope explained. "People who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others," the Pope said, "are provocateurs." And if they go past the "limit" of acceptable speech, violent retaliation is to be expected. "What happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit." When taken out of context, perhaps...Truth is, I like this Pope...He is a great communicator and down to earth...To put his words into better perspective, this was also said... "His pretend punch aside, Francis by no means said the violent attack on Charlie Hebdo was justified. Quite the opposite: He said such horrific violence in God's name couldn't be justified and was an "aberration." But he said a reaction of some sort was to be expected." and this... "He said Francis' words were "spoken colloquially and in a friendly, intimate manner among colleagues and friends on the journey." He noted that Francis has spoken out clearly against the Paris attacks and that violence in God's name can never be justified." Yes what happened in Paris was shocking and no insults deserve that. I do believe though that you can't just go around insulting religions. Having said that, violence is not the answer. Violence is never the answer, but like it or not, there are (and always will be) situations where the ONLY action is "Kill or be killed"....Personally, I have never been placed in a position to judge or test that type of action....Thank you God... Peace Franky... |
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Basically he said free speech has gone to far and that if you insult religions then expect violence. Quote People should refrain from insulting religion for the same reason, the Pope explained. "People who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others," the Pope said, "are provocateurs." And if they go past the "limit" of acceptable speech, violent retaliation is to be expected. "What happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit." When taken out of context, perhaps...Truth is, I like this Pope...He is a great communicator and down to earth...To put his words into better perspective, this was also said... "His pretend punch aside, Francis by no means said the violent attack on Charlie Hebdo was justified. Quite the opposite: He said such horrific violence in God's name couldn't be justified and was an "aberration." But he said a reaction of some sort was to be expected." and this... "He said Francis' words were "spoken colloquially and in a friendly, intimate manner among colleagues and friends on the journey." He noted that Francis has spoken out clearly against the Paris attacks and that violence in God's name can never be justified." Yes what happened in Paris was shocking and no insults deserve that. I do believe though that you can't just go around insulting religions. Having said that, violence is not the answer. That's the point. You CAN just go around insulting religions. It's called freedom of speech. As a Catholic, my religion is insulted way more than the Muslim religion. I....do not want to kill anyone for it. Everyone has a right to their own opinion..... In the UK we had a Muslim who used to preach hate outside a mosque in London and we stopped him. Therefore we took away his freedom of speech, so where do you draw the line. (the same guy 'hookhand' he was known as here is now in prison in the USA) |
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Basically he said free speech has gone to far and that if you insult religions then expect violence. Quote People should refrain from insulting religion for the same reason, the Pope explained. "People who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others," the Pope said, "are provocateurs." And if they go past the "limit" of acceptable speech, violent retaliation is to be expected. "What happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit." When taken out of context, perhaps...Truth is, I like this Pope...He is a great communicator and down to earth...To put his words into better perspective, this was also said... "His pretend punch aside, Francis by no means said the violent attack on Charlie Hebdo was justified. Quite the opposite: He said such horrific violence in God's name couldn't be justified and was an "aberration." But he said a reaction of some sort was to be expected." and this... "He said Francis' words were "spoken colloquially and in a friendly, intimate manner among colleagues and friends on the journey." He noted that Francis has spoken out clearly against the Paris attacks and that violence in God's name can never be justified." Yes what happened in Paris was shocking and no insults deserve that. I do believe though that you can't just go around insulting religions. Having said that, violence is not the answer. That's the point. You CAN just go around insulting religions. It's called freedom of speech. As a Catholic, my religion is insulted way more than the Muslim religion. I....do not want to kill anyone for it. Everyone has a right to their own opinion..... In the UK we had a Muslim who used to preach hate outside a mosque in London and we stopped him. Therefore we took away his freedom of speech, so where do you draw the line. (the same guy 'hookhand' he was known as here is now in prison in the USA) The line is drawn at threats of bodily harm or murder. I'm sure he's in prison for more reasons than just "hate speech". Radical Muslims don't stop at hate speech... |
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Basically he said free speech has gone to far and that if you insult religions then expect violence. Quote People should refrain from insulting religion for the same reason, the Pope explained. "People who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others," the Pope said, "are provocateurs." And if they go past the "limit" of acceptable speech, violent retaliation is to be expected. "What happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit." When taken out of context, perhaps...Truth is, I like this Pope...He is a great communicator and down to earth...To put his words into better perspective, this was also said... "His pretend punch aside, Francis by no means said the violent attack on Charlie Hebdo was justified. Quite the opposite: He said such horrific violence in God's name couldn't be justified and was an "aberration." But he said a reaction of some sort was to be expected." and this... "He said Francis' words were "spoken colloquially and in a friendly, intimate manner among colleagues and friends on the journey." He noted that Francis has spoken out clearly against the Paris attacks and that violence in God's name can never be justified." Yes what happened in Paris was shocking and no insults deserve that. I do believe though that you can't just go around insulting religions. Having said that, violence is not the answer. That's the point. You CAN just go around insulting religions. It's called freedom of speech. As a Catholic, my religion is insulted way more than the Muslim religion. I....do not want to kill anyone for it. Everyone has a right to their own opinion..... In the UK we had a Muslim who used to preach hate outside a mosque in London and we stopped him. Therefore we took away his freedom of speech, so where do you draw the line. (the same guy 'hookhand' he was known as here is now in prison in the USA) The line is drawn at threats of bodily harm or murder. I'm sure he's in prison for more reasons than just "hate speech". Radical Muslims don't stop at hate speech... Yes he is, if I remember correctly I think it was conspiracy to commit terrorist acts or something like that. I love being British and I love my freedom of speech but I just think it needs to be toned down a little and not used as en excuse to insult people. Then again, theses lunatics will just find some other excuse to want to kill us. |
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Tone down freedom of speech? Do you realize how scary that sounds? Where do you draw the line THERE?.....
Anyway, it would never be toned down enough for radicals. They have a zero tolerance policy for insulting Mohammad or whoever they worship.... |
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Tone down freedom of speech? Do you realize how scary that sounds? Where do you draw the line THERE?..... 
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Basically he said free speech has gone to far and that if you insult religions then expect violence. Quote People should refrain from insulting religion for the same reason, the Pope explained. "People who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others," the Pope said, "are provocateurs." And if they go past the "limit" of acceptable speech, violent retaliation is to be expected. "What happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit." what one SHOULD expect and what SHOULD Happen aren't always the same I believe if you hit someone you SHOULD EXPECT Them to hit back if they are of a higher moral fabric, they SHOULD walk away I believe this is along the lines of the Popes message insulting someones religion, like insulting their mother, or their kids, or their country,,,,etc should come with some knowledge of a potential physical response in the WIld West modern world,,lol I don't believe its smart or logical to PROVOKE people in these ways, and I don't believe its appropriate to respond with violence , let alone death |
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