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Topic: Babysteps, National Bar takes its place
msharmony's photo
Sat 11/29/14 10:13 AM
in working to make the justice system more 'just'


"The National Bar Association is questioning how the Grand Jury, considering the evidence before them, could reach the conclusion that Darren Wilson should not be indicted and tried for the shooting death of Michael Brown. National Bar Association President Pamela J. Meanes expresses her sincere disappointment with the outcome of the Grand Jury’s decision but has made it abundantly clear that the National Bar Association stands firm and will be calling on the U.S. Department of Justice to pursue federal charges against officer Darren Wilson. “We will not rest until Michael Brown and his family has justice” states Pamela Meanes, President of the National Bar Association. "

“The National Bar Association is adamant about our desire for transformative justice. While we are disappointed with the grand jury’s ruling, we are promoting peace on every street corner around the world. The only way to foster systemic change is to organize, educate, and mobilize. We are imploring everyone to fight against the injustice in Ferguson, Missouri and throughout the United States by banding together and working within the confines of the law,” states President Meanes.

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b



justice for the least of us , makes all of us better,,,,

no photo
Sat 11/29/14 11:41 AM

in working to make the justice system more 'just'


"The National Bar Association is questioning how the Grand Jury, considering the evidence before them, could reach the conclusion that Darren Wilson should not be indicted and tried for the shooting death of Michael Brown. National Bar Association President Pamela J. Meanes expresses her sincere disappointment with the outcome of the Grand Jury’s decision but has made it abundantly clear that the National Bar Association stands firm and will be calling on the U.S. Department of Justice to pursue federal charges against officer Darren Wilson. “We will not rest until Michael Brown and his family has justice” states Pamela Meanes, President of the National Bar Association. "

“The National Bar Association is adamant about our desire for transformative justice. While we are disappointed with the grand jury’s ruling, we are promoting peace on every street corner around the world. The only way to foster systemic change is to organize, educate, and mobilize. We are imploring everyone to fight against the injustice in Ferguson, Missouri and throughout the United States by banding together and working within the confines of the law,” states President Meanes.

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b



justice for the least of us , makes all of us better,,,,



Yep, absolutely stupid, racism at it's best.

"ABOUT THE NATIONAL BAR ASSOCIATION
The National Bar Association was founded in 1925 and is the nation's oldest and largest national network of predominantly African-American attorneys and judges. It represents the interests of approximately 60,000 lawyers, judges, law professors and law students.The NBA is organized around 23 substantive law sections, 9 divisions, 12 regions and 80 affiliate chapters throughout the United States and around the world."

Justice, perhaps you should look that word up...

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/29/14 11:48 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 11/29/14 12:11 PM
perhaps you should cite your source and verify why this is being pointed out and correlated to a question of how to define justice:

can a bar association not be impartial or just if it
is 'predominately' black,,,,,?

and , inversely, can an entire justice SYSTEM of predominately white people can be impartial or just?


and, do either of those things bare relevance upon whether justice is being done or the justice system needs change?


no photo
Sat 11/29/14 12:49 PM

perhaps you should cite your source and verify why this is being pointed out and correlated to a question of how to define justice:

can a bar association not be impartial or just if it
is 'predominately' black,,,,,?

and , inversely, can an entire justice SYSTEM of predominately white people can be impartial or just?


and, do either of those things bare relevance upon whether justice is being done or the justice system needs change?




Why, it was your source, don't you read what you post?

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sun 11/30/14 09:04 AM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Sun 11/30/14 09:01 AM
...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?


msharmony's photo
Sun 11/30/14 09:21 AM

...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,


racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,


msharmony's photo
Sun 11/30/14 09:22 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 11/30/14 09:24 AM


...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,

perhaps, police who are trained and paid can lead a change in cultural thinking that sees black males as so much more dangerous than everyone else,,,even under similar circumstances, who see healthy males as 'animals' and healthy teens as 'men' even when they are still in or only recently out of high school



racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,



Drivinmenutz's photo
Sun 11/30/14 09:36 AM


...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,


racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,




I'm pretty sure that "black man" in question was proven to have "hurt" several people including the cop in question (DURING THE ENCOUNTER).

There are some cases in which officers blatantly overreact and should b brought to justice. Training in escalation of force should be made abundant.

While the last verse of your comment is very true, the first reflects an astounding lack of tactical knowledge and real life experience in these situations. The most evil of criminals would walk all over anyone with this mindset.

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/30/14 09:42 AM



...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,


racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,




I'm pretty sure that "black man" in question was proven to have "hurt" several people including the cop in question (DURING THE ENCOUNTER).

There are some cases in which officers blatantly overreact and should b brought to justice. Training in escalation of force should be made abundant.

While the last verse of your comment is very true, the first reflects an astounding lack of tactical knowledge and real life experience in these situations. The most evil of criminals would walk all over anyone with this mindset.


correction noted,, police can restrain and arrest those who have KILLED, but not black males who have 'hurt'

I don't know about evil, but I do know that killers with GUNS who definitely should be feared based upon their very RECENT harmful behavior seem to be killed less often than black males who are unarmed and have 'hurt' someone

seems the danger a black male might do with sheer brut strength is more of a threat than bullets,,,,something is wrong with THAT picture,,,

something is also wrong if a police officers mindset that a hit from a black male might 'kill' him even though , despite all the 'leaked' reports of his mass beating and 'orbital blowout' he came away with not a scar besides some spot that could easily match the hives my daughter gets around pets


,, police will walk all over people who think that's a reasonable level of 'fear' for a trained cop,,,,


InvictusV's photo
Sun 11/30/14 09:45 AM




...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,


racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,




I'm pretty sure that "black man" in question was proven to have "hurt" several people including the cop in question (DURING THE ENCOUNTER).

There are some cases in which officers blatantly overreact and should b brought to justice. Training in escalation of force should be made abundant.

While the last verse of your comment is very true, the first reflects an astounding lack of tactical knowledge and real life experience in these situations. The most evil of criminals would walk all over anyone with this mindset.


correction noted,, police can restrain and arrest those who have KILLED, but not black males who have 'hurt'

I don't know about evil, but I do know that killers with GUNS who definitely should be feared based upon their very RECENT harmful behavior seem to be killed less often than black males who are unarmed and have 'hurt' someone

seems the danger a black male might do with sheer brut strength is more of a threat than bullets,,,,something is wrong with THAT picture,,,

something is also wrong if a police officers mindset that a hit from a black male might 'kill' him even though , despite all the 'leaked' reports of his mass beating and 'orbital blowout' he came away with not a scar besides some spot that could easily match the hives my daughter gets around pets


,, police will walk all over people who think that's a reasonable level of 'fear' for a trained cop,,,,




yeah it is only black men that get shot by cops..


msharmony's photo
Sun 11/30/14 09:46 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 11/30/14 09:47 AM





...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,


racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,




I'm pretty sure that "black man" in question was proven to have "hurt" several people including the cop in question (DURING THE ENCOUNTER).

There are some cases in which officers blatantly overreact and should b brought to justice. Training in escalation of force should be made abundant.

While the last verse of your comment is very true, the first reflects an astounding lack of tactical knowledge and real life experience in these situations. The most evil of criminals would walk all over anyone with this mindset.


correction noted,, police can restrain and arrest those who have KILLED, but not black males who have 'hurt'

I don't know about evil, but I do know that killers with GUNS who definitely should be feared based upon their very RECENT harmful behavior seem to be killed less often than black males who are unarmed and have 'hurt' someone

seems the danger a black male might do with sheer brut strength is more of a threat than bullets,,,,something is wrong with THAT picture,,,

something is also wrong if a police officers mindset that a hit from a black male might 'kill' him even though , despite all the 'leaked' reports of his mass beating and 'orbital blowout' he came away with not a scar besides some spot that could easily match the hives my daughter gets around pets


,, police will walk all over people who think that's a reasonable level of 'fear' for a trained cop,,,,




yeah it is only black men that get shot by cops..





no, its not only black men who get shot, its a whole SYSTEM that allows police this type of overreaching authority of life and death

but when its IN YOUR COMMUNITY and in your history as a demographic as DISPROPORTIONATELY,,,

when it SEEMS like its so less likely that situations with your kids are sought to be 'deescalated' than others

people should instead of being defensive and dismissive of it, understand that it may make you a little more than just aggrevated,,,,


and BECAUSE its not just black people, perhaps more 'other' people could stand up to make a change,,,,

InvictusV's photo
Sun 11/30/14 10:15 AM






...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,


racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,




I'm pretty sure that "black man" in question was proven to have "hurt" several people including the cop in question (DURING THE ENCOUNTER).

There are some cases in which officers blatantly overreact and should b brought to justice. Training in escalation of force should be made abundant.

While the last verse of your comment is very true, the first reflects an astounding lack of tactical knowledge and real life experience in these situations. The most evil of criminals would walk all over anyone with this mindset.


correction noted,, police can restrain and arrest those who have KILLED, but not black males who have 'hurt'

I don't know about evil, but I do know that killers with GUNS who definitely should be feared based upon their very RECENT harmful behavior seem to be killed less often than black males who are unarmed and have 'hurt' someone

seems the danger a black male might do with sheer brut strength is more of a threat than bullets,,,,something is wrong with THAT picture,,,

something is also wrong if a police officers mindset that a hit from a black male might 'kill' him even though , despite all the 'leaked' reports of his mass beating and 'orbital blowout' he came away with not a scar besides some spot that could easily match the hives my daughter gets around pets


,, police will walk all over people who think that's a reasonable level of 'fear' for a trained cop,,,,




yeah it is only black men that get shot by cops..





no, its not only black men who get shot, its a whole SYSTEM that allows police this type of overreaching authority of life and death

but when its IN YOUR COMMUNITY and in your history as a demographic as DISPROPORTIONATELY,,,

when it SEEMS like its so less likely that situations with your kids are sought to be 'deescalated' than others

people should instead of being defensive and dismissive of it, understand that it may make you a little more than just aggrevated,,,,


and BECAUSE its not just black people, perhaps more 'other' people could stand up to make a change,,,,


I am not being defensive. The fact is that people of all races are shot by police. Some are justified and some are not.

You can make changes within your own communities by electing people that represent your interests and with that mandate can influence hiring practices.

Put more black cops in black areas.

People with ties to those communities that understand what goes on.

You keep electing white liberals to represent you and as I have stated several times they don't a phuck about you or your communities.

One day you will realize that, but until then we will keep debating these types of issues and I will keep reading how it's institutionalized racism that is the problem.










msharmony's photo
Sun 11/30/14 10:26 AM
well, institutional racism IS a problem


one doesn't use drugs for forty years and then expect that just STOPPING or using not as much is going to instantly rid any of the lasting effects

similarly, in a system racially oppressive and segregated for 400 of the past 450 years,, the symptoms will STILL NEED ADDRESSING


but I also agree with some of the suggestions made,,,

in fact, kudos for excellent suggestionsflowerforyou

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Sun 11/30/14 10:37 AM


...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,


racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,




That is but your twist and contains no truth. Once you attack an officer and touch his gun, you should expect to die.

And this is absolute racism at it's finest.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 11/30/14 10:38 AM
they have been stirring the Poo-Pot since August,along with Al not-so-Sharpton,Holder and Obama!
They are the ones who sponsored Sharpton and others so they could go to Ferguson to spread their Racist Venom!
Hope they gonna be there when its Spoon-Licking-Time!

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/30/14 10:42 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 11/30/14 10:45 AM



...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,


racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,




That is but your twist and contains no truth. Once you attack an officer and touch his gun, you should expect to die.

And this is absolute racism at it's finest.



lol,, and your 'truth' is based upon what,, were you the sole eyewitness in the car?

did he 'touch' the gun, or go for the gun or try to keep the officer from going for his gun?



so touching a police officers gun is grounds for death, period,, with no time frame,,,,,good to know


and IM sure, by extension, shooting people with a gun is grounds for death too


and there need be no explanation why those 'grounds' can be overlooked for the sake of preserving the life of some and not others,,,?


perhaps police can summarily execute civilians now and claim that at some point previously that person 'touched their gun'

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/30/14 10:42 AM
where do you get the information that they 'sponsored' him

Knowing that he has his own net worth and his own ORGANIZATION specializing in this type of work, I would imagine he wouldn't need anyone elses sponsorship

and I hope they stay there,, just like
Nancy Grace and Justice Scalia who cant be dismissed as having some 'racial' angle

though Im sure they will be discredited with some other association trick,,

liberals are wrong
blacks are overemotional
tv personalities just want publicity,,,,


etc





no photo
Sun 11/30/14 10:45 AM



...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,


racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,




I'm pretty sure that "black man" in question was proven to have "hurt" several people including the cop in question (DURING THE ENCOUNTER).

There are some cases in which officers blatantly overreact and should b brought to justice. Training in escalation of force should be made abundant.

While the last verse of your comment is very true, the first reflects an astounding lack of tactical knowledge and real life experience in these situations. The most evil of criminals would walk all over anyone with this mindset.


You are absolutely right, there are many instances of police brutality that should be pursued and protested but this is purely a case of racism.

If you stop and look at the matter, there have been few mentions of the thug but the mass media and Odumbo keep trying to portray an innocent young man with his hands in the air.

And while the cop is not an innocent individual as he has been shown to be a sociopathic authoritarian and should perhaps seek other career opportunities, there is no need to destroy him over this thug.

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/30/14 10:49 AM
yes, I say lets hunt down all the teens in high school who have ever bullied anyone or fought authority and just line them up with a firing squad

'thugs' lives like theirs aren't worth fighting for,,,,after all,,,

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Sun 11/30/14 10:57 AM




...Or, perhaps a white police officer who was trying to defend himself will be crucified just because his assailant was black...

Is racism diminishing, or being reignited under the guise of "justice"?




perhaps,, police who can manage to restrain and arrest serial killer and others who are armed and/or have killed and hurt others,, can begin to figure out how to restrain and arrest the young black men who have hurt nor killed anyone,,,,


racism cant be said to 'diminish' as it isn't truly quantifiable, but it can evolve in the way it manifests itself,,,,




I'm pretty sure that "black man" in question was proven to have "hurt" several people including the cop in question (DURING THE ENCOUNTER).

There are some cases in which officers blatantly overreact and should b brought to justice. Training in escalation of force should be made abundant.

While the last verse of your comment is very true, the first reflects an astounding lack of tactical knowledge and real life experience in these situations. The most evil of criminals would walk all over anyone with this mindset.


correction noted,, police can restrain and arrest those who have KILLED, but not black males who have 'hurt'

I don't know about evil, but I do know that killers with GUNS who definitely should be feared based upon their very RECENT harmful behavior seem to be killed less often than black males who are unarmed and have 'hurt' someone

seems the danger a black male might do with sheer brut strength is more of a threat than bullets,,,,something is wrong with THAT picture,,,

something is also wrong if a police officers mindset that a hit from a black male might 'kill' him even though , despite all the 'leaked' reports of his mass beating and 'orbital blowout' he came away with not a scar besides some spot that could easily match the hives my daughter gets around pets


,, police will walk all over people who think that's a reasonable level of 'fear' for a trained cop,,,,




When you commit violence against an armed individual, you should expect to be shot. But then you do defend every little thug in the news, so long as they are black. Would this be racist tendencies? I would think so.

So your take is that justice is not blind and should be slanted to the color of the skin. If your white, any transgression should be punished but if you're black all transgression should be forgiven regardless of the facts.

And if you daughter give marks like the officer, then I would suggest that perhaps child protective services needs to investigate as that would be a beating. But then what do the doctors know (Officer Wilson’s medical records released) they were there but what are they to argue with your conjecture?

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