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msharmony's photo
Sat 08/23/14 07:12 AM
society does have blame

I however think you have a deluded view of how desirable prison life is,,lol

how many with medical coverage never use it, what quality of medical care do these mere 'criminals' get?

watching a television show? you can also do that in a sports bar...lol

working out? I do that in my home, you can do it pretty much anywhere...

,,but I wont go on

the important part of it is society has to change, not only in how it treats the least of us, but how it trains up people to value others property and life,,,,

adj4u's photo
Sat 08/23/14 07:17 AM

society does have blame

I however think you have a deluded view of how desirable prison life is,,lol

how many with medical coverage never use it, what quality of medical care do these mere 'criminals' get?

watching a television show? you can also do that in a sports bar...lol

working out? I do that in my home, you can do it pretty much anywhere...

,,but I wont go on

the important part of it is society has to change, not only in how it treats the least of us, but how it trains up people to value others property and life,,,,


more than homeless people that never committed or at least got caught committing a crime

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/23/14 07:24 AM


society does have blame

I however think you have a deluded view of how desirable prison life is,,lol

how many with medical coverage never use it, what quality of medical care do these mere 'criminals' get?

watching a television show? you can also do that in a sports bar...lol

working out? I do that in my home, you can do it pretty much anywhere...

,,but I wont go on

the important part of it is society has to change, not only in how it treats the least of us, but how it trains up people to value others property and life,,,,


more than homeless people that never committed or at least got caught committing a crime



so, we make a better situation for the homeless, who live in inhumane conditions,,, instead of using it to justify forcing others to live in inhumane conditions as well,,

willing2's photo
Sat 08/23/14 07:30 AM
The majority of the negro population do not have violent or third-worldly tendencies.

I am close to many loving and tender blacks.

I can see the frustration of those great people when the idiots act out. The only power they have is speaking out in large groups to condemn the actions of the lawless instead of making excuses for bad behavior.

Sadly, when the the good do speak out, they are referred to as traitors or Uncle Toms.

adj4u's photo
Sat 08/23/14 07:31 AM
On Aug. 11, SLCPD officers arrived to find Taylor, his brother Jerrail Taylor and his cousin leaving the 7-Eleven. Investigators have said Dillon Taylor ignored the officers’ commands to stop. Jerrail Taylor has said his brother was wearing headphones and didn’t immediately hear the officers, who were shouting conflicting commands and shot Dillon Taylor even though he was unarmed and posed no threat.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58317040-78/taylor-police-lake-salt.html.csp

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why is this not getting the same coverage

no photo
Sat 08/23/14 07:37 AM

I have been keeping up with this. It is said that we are being portrayed this way. All of this reminds me of the Watts Riots in Los Angeles, Rodney King, etc. Our people were poorly portrayed there too as they were also during the Viet Nam War Era. The only people who can stop this ignorance are the people themselves. I feel for this young man's family. I see the anger and Frustration of all of this. I see people who come over here from foreign countries help each other and work together and get what they need. Our people need to work together, re educate themselves and stop misrepresenting themselves or this stuff will never end. Self education and more knowledge is the key.


Thanks for your positive words

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/23/14 07:40 AM
the same and 'equal' coverage of all these incidents isn't going to happen,,

this is another of too many of such events and I do hope something changes,,,,,

perhaps DEESCULATION should be part of an officers training, besides just shooting to kill,,,,

adj4u's photo
Sat 08/23/14 07:53 AM

the same and 'equal' coverage of all these incidents isn't going to happen,,

this is another of too many of such events and I do hope something changes,,,,,

perhaps DEESCULATION should be part of an officers training, besides just shooting to kill,,,,



i quess looting and rioting works hhmm

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/23/14 07:56 AM


the same and 'equal' coverage of all these incidents isn't going to happen,,

this is another of too many of such events and I do hope something changes,,,,,

perhaps DEESCULATION should be part of an officers training, besides just shooting to kill,,,,



i quess looting and rioting works hhmm



no, its quite the distraction from the protesting and other things that could work,,,,

adj4u's photo
Sat 08/23/14 08:49 AM



the same and 'equal' coverage of all these incidents isn't going to happen,,

this is another of too many of such events and I do hope something changes,,,,,

perhaps DEESCULATION should be part of an officers training, besides just shooting to kill,,,,



i quess looting and rioting works hhmm



no, its quite the distraction from the protesting and other things that could work,,,,


but it got them the coverage

those in salt lake only got local coverage

maybe they should have strong armed the local govt to

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/23/14 08:53 AM




the same and 'equal' coverage of all these incidents isn't going to happen,,

this is another of too many of such events and I do hope something changes,,,,,

perhaps DEESCULATION should be part of an officers training, besides just shooting to kill,,,,



i quess looting and rioting works hhmm



no, its quite the distraction from the protesting and other things that could work,,,,


but it got them the coverage

those in salt lake only got local coverage

maybe they should have strong armed the local govt to



point taken, I think the riots did cause more attention

but I also think, like with TReyvon Martin, public figures drawing attention to it would have also resulted in more national press

mrheartfelt's photo
Sat 08/23/14 09:45 AM
Ms harmony, I understand what you are saying. I have said that the events have happened already. They have, but it is the backlash for all of it. This year, there really seems to be a high than normal number of Police-involved shootings.

I don't really think there will ever be equal justice because it has not been as far as I know for a long time. I still say that we actually need to see the "big picture". Our ancestors had to put up with more than we ever will have to.

As I have said, these shootings are like a lightning rod because they will draw so many conclusions from so many, including the media. Bad news sells papers and we all know that (at least,I hope we do). Just think od what will happen during our children's adulthood. Scary stuff!

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/23/14 09:48 AM

Ms harmony, I understand what you are saying. I have said that the events have happened already. They have, but it is the backlash for all of it. This year, there really seems to be a high than normal number of Police-involved shootings.

I don't really think there will ever be equal justice because it has not been as far as I know for a long time. I still say that we actually need to see the "big picture". Our ancestors had to put up with more than we ever will have to.

As I have said, these shootings are like a lightning rod because they will draw so many conclusions from so many, including the media. Bad news sells papers and we all know that (at least,I hope we do). Just think od what will happen during our children's adulthood. Scary stuff!



I think all the time what may happen, by remembering what has happened,, for such a large part of this nations history,,,

I don't think we can ever get comfortable with injustice, no matter how much better it may seem , it can always go back if we don't keep an eye on it.

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Sat 08/23/14 09:55 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 08/23/14 10:02 AM
I don't understand why this is not considered a Hate Crime

I don't understand why the Jewish community has not rioted and looted local stores

I don't understand why the DOJ and E Holder have not convened a group of investigators.

I don't understand why the Governor of Florida has not demanded a "vigorous prosecution."

I don't understand why the media hasn't talked inccesantly about the War on Old Jewish Men.

Perhaps the brilliant equivocators here could enlighten me?




Two men sought in fatal shooting of Orthodox rabbi in Northeast Miami-Dade
By Ann Choi The Miami Herald
The victim was from Brooklyn, N.Y., and was in South Florida visiting family. One Jewish community group said it was a robbery that went badly.

Members of Bais Menachem, 1005 N.E. 172nd Terrace, gathered late Saturday night to talk about the shooting death Joseph Raksin, 60-year-old Orthodox rabbi from Brooklyn, N.Y. Raksin was on his way to the local synagogue Saturday morning when he was gunned down during a likely random robbery attempt. Ann Choi / Miami Herald

A 60-year-old Orthodox rabbi from Brooklyn on his way to a Northeast Miami-Dade synagogue was gunned down Saturday morning during a likely random robbery attempt, according to Miami-Dade police and local Jewish community leaders.
The shooting victim, Joseph Raksin, was walking eastbound on Northeast 175th Street and Eighth Court at about 9 a.m. when he was confronted by two young men. Following an altercation, Raksin was shot by one of the men, police said.
It's unclear how many shots were fired at Raksin. But the New York rabbi's critical wounds prompted authorities to airlift him to the Ryder Trauma Center, where he later died. A funeral is planned for Sunday afternoon.
The community is offering a $50,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest.
The shooting took place in an area of unincorporated Northeast Miami-Dade near North Miami Beach, where swastikas found painted on a local synagogue last month have worried local Jewish leaders.
At this time there is no indication of this being a hate crime,said Miami-Dade police spokeswoman Elena Hernandez in a statement.
She said police are searching for two young male suspects, one of whom may have fled on a bicycle. The other may have run from the area.
Late Saturday, Hava Holzhauer, the Anti-Defamation League Florida Regional Director, whose organization has been in close contact with Miami-Dade homicide investigators, said the crime appears to be a robbery that went badly.
Currently no evidence has been brought to light that it was motivated by anti-Semitism, Holzhauer said.
Said Holzhauer: This is a terrible tragedy. While the motivation for this crime is still being investigated, nothing can justify the killing of an innocent man walking to his place of worship to pray on his holy day.
Miami-Dade police have not commented on whether the shooting was connected to a robbery attempt on Raksin.
Yona Lunger, a local Jewish community activist and member of the Shmira Patrol a neighborhood watch group confirmed to the Miami Herald late Saturday that Raksin was an Orthodox rabbi from Brooklyn who was in South Florida to visit his granddaughter and other relatives.
Efforts to reach the relatives were unsuccessful.
Raksin was on his way to Bais Menachem, 1005 NE 172nd Ter., when he was shot, said Lunger, who spoke to one witness who told him that contrary to what Miami-Dade police reported Raksin had no altercation with the two young men. He said the witness, whom he did not identify, told him that Raksin was shot immediately after the two approached him on Northeast 175th Street.
Another local Jewish community leader, Brian Siegal, director of the American Jewish Committee's Miami and Broward Regional Office, said he believes Raksin's shooting may be connected to the recent act of vandalism at the nearby Torah V'Emunah, an Orthodox synagogue, 1000 NE 174th St.
On July 28, police reported that swastikas were spray-painted on the front pillars of a Northeast Miami-Dade synagogue, which has left the local Jewish community on edge, especially amid the heightened tension between Israel and Palestinians over the conflict in Gaza.
Said Siegal:Our deepest condolences to the [Raksin] family for this tragic loss. We are confident the police will take the matter seriously and will give them time to investigate. Coming so soon and so close to the synagogue that was vandalized last week with swastikas and pro-Hamas graffiti, obviously we're suspicious that it's linked, but that remains to be seen.
Said the ADL in a statement: The Anti-Defamation League is shocked and horrified by the murder of a Rabbi on his way to synagogue this morning in North Miami Beach. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Rabbi Joseph Raksin's family and the surrounding community.
Late Saturday, members of Bais Menachem gathered outside the synagogue to talk to reporters about the shooting incident.
Raksin was walking ahead of his grandsons and son-in-law when he was shot, said Rabbi Moshe Druin.
We are in utter shock, Druin said.
Druin said community members ruled out a possibility of robbery because Orthodox Jewish do not carry any money or possession on Saturdays, the community's Sabbath day.
There hasn't been a robbery on Sabbath for the past 35 years,Druin said.
It definitely is an anomaly, Peretz Pinhas, another community member said of the shooting.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/08/09/4280988/two-men-sought-in-fatal-shooting.html#storylink=cpy

adj4u's photo
Sat 08/23/14 10:02 AM

I don't understand why this is not considered a Hate Crime

I don't understand why the Jewish community has not rioted and looted local stores

I don't understand why the DOJ and E Holder have not convened a group of investigators.

I don't understand why the Governor of Florida has not demanded a "vigorous prosecution."

I don't understand why the media hasn't talked inccesantly about the War on Old Jewish Men.

Perhaps the brilliant equivocators here could enlighten me?




Two men sought in fatal shooting of Orthodox rabbi in Northeast Miami-Dade
By Ann Choi The Miami Herald
The victim was from Brooklyn, N.Y., and was in South Florida visiting family. One Jewish community group said it was “a robbery that went badly.”


Members of Bais Menachem, 1005 N.E. 172nd Terrace, gathered late Saturday night to talk about the shooting death Joseph Raksin, 60-year-old Orthodox rabbi from Brooklyn, N.Y. Raksin was on his way to the local synagogue Saturday morning when he wwas gunned down during a likely random robbery attempt. Ann Choi / Miami Herald

A 60-year-old Orthodox rabbi from Brooklyn on his way to a Northeast Miami-Dade synagogue was gunned down Saturday morning during a likely random robbery attempt, according to Miami-Dade police and local Jewish community leaders.
The shooting victim, Joseph Raksin, was walking eastbound on Northeast 175th Street and Eighth Court at about 9 a.m. when he was confronted by two young men. Following an altercation, Raksin was shot by one of the men, police said.
It’s unclear how many shots were fired at Raksin. But the New York rabbi's critical wounds prompted authorities to airlift him to the Ryder Trauma Center, where he later died. A funeral is planned for Sunday afternoon.
The community is offering a $50,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest.
The shooting took place in an area of unincorporated Northeast Miami-Dade near North Miami Beach, where swastikas found painted on a local synagogue last month have worried local Jewish leaders.
“At this time there is no indication of this being a hate crime,” said Miami-Dade police spokeswoman Elena Hernandez in a statement.
She said police are searching for two young male suspects, one of whom may have fled on a bicycle. The other may have run from the area.
Late Saturday, Hava Holzhauer, the Anti-Defamation League Florida Regional Director, whose organization has been in close contact with Miami-Dade homicide investigators, said the crime “appears to be a robbery that went badly.”
“Currently no evidence has been brought to light that it was motivated by anti-Semitism,” Holzhauer said.
Said Holzhauer: “This is a terrible tragedy. While the motivation for this crime is still being investigated, nothing can justify the killing of an innocent man walking to his place of worship to pray on his holy day.”
Miami-Dade police have not commented on whether the shooting was connected to a robbery attempt on Raksin.
Yona Lunger, a local Jewish community activist and member of the Shmira Patrol — a neighborhood watch group — confirmed to the Miami Herald late Saturday that Raksin was an Orthodox rabbi from Brooklyn who was in South Florida to visit his granddaughter and other relatives.
Efforts to reach the relatives were unsuccessful.
Raksin was on his way to Bais Menachem, 1005 NE 172nd Ter., when he was shot, said Lunger, who spoke to one witness who told him that — contrary to what Miami-Dade police reported — Raksin had no altercation with the two young men. He said the witness, whom he did not identify, told him that Raksin was shot immediately after the two approached him on Northeast 175th Street.
Another local Jewish community leader, Brian Siegal, director of the American Jewish Committee’s Miami and Broward Regional Office, said he believes Raksin’s shooting may be connected to the recent act of vandalism at the nearby Torah V’Emunah, an Orthodox synagogue, 1000 NE 174th St.
On July 28, police reported that swastikas were spray-painted on the front pillars of a Northeast Miami-Dade synagogue, which has left the local Jewish community on edge, especially amid the heightened tension between Israel and Palestinians over the conflict in Gaza.
Said Siegal: “Our deepest condolences to the [Raksin] family for this tragic loss. We are confident the police will take the matter seriously and will give them time to investigate. Coming so soon and so close to the synagogue that was vandalized last week with swastikas and pro-Hamas graffiti, obviously we’re suspicious that it’s linked, but that remains to be seen.”
Said the ADL in a statement: “The Anti-Defamation League is shocked and horrified by the murder of a Rabbi on his way to synagogue this morning in North Miami Beach. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Rabbi Joseph Raksin’sfamily and the surrounding community.”
Late Saturday, members of Bais Menachem gathered outside the synagogue to talk to reporters about the shooting incident.
Raksin was walking ahead of his grandsons and son-in-law when he was shot, said Rabbi Moshe Druin.
“We are in utter shock,” Druin said.
Druin said community members ruled out a possibility of robbery because Orthodox Jewish do not carry any money or possession on Saturdays, the community’s Sabbath day.
“There hasn’t been a robbery on Sabbath for the past 35 years,” Druin said.
“It definitely is an anomaly,” Peretz Pinhas, another community member said of the shooting.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/08/09/4280988/two-men-sought-in-fatal-shooting.html#storylink=cpy



until they determine who committed the crime how can they determine
if it was a hate crime or not

for all we know per this article the perps may be of jewish descent

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