Topic: Teen shot by cop suspect in recent robbery
msharmony's photo
Sat 08/16/14 04:13 AM
burglary requires illegal entry

we don't have the death penalty for robbers in America

it will come down to whether he instigated an assault on the officer,,,or struggled for his gun

the latter should be easily proven with prints or dna on the gun in question,,,,,


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Sat 08/16/14 06:29 AM

burglary requires illegal entry

we don't have the death penalty for robbers in America

it will come down to whether he instigated an assault on the officer,,,or struggled for his gun

the latter should be easily proven with prints or dna on the gun in question,,,,,



DNA is not a slam dunk method for proof, ask OJ.

Michael Brown was known on the street there as a thug. The stolen cigars are used to put marijuana in to make "blunts".
At age 18 one is no longer considered a "Teen". They are an adult.
Robbery is a felony as is assaulting a police officer.
Michael Brown should have been at work.
People like Michael Brown don't want to work and earn for themselves.
What kind of message is the rioting and looting sending to the children in that community?


msharmony's photo
Sat 08/16/14 06:50 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 08/16/14 06:49 AM
no, technically, all ages ending in 'teen' are called teenagers,,lol

yes, robbery and assault are felonies

I have no information that he should have been at work, but do know that is no crime to not be at work

I don't know a lot of 18 year olds that 'want' to work, most people HAVE to work,,,,many 18 year olds don't really have to as they are usually still being subsidized in part or whole by parents,,,,and many are still seniors in high school or just graduated,


rioting and looting sends a terrible message and gives bigots just the ammo they need to feel like the negative stereotypes are accurate,,,,

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Sat 08/16/14 07:01 AM

no, technically, all ages ending in 'teen' are called teenagers,,lol

yes, robbery and assault are felonies

I have no information that he should have been at work, but do know that is no crime to not be at work

I don't know a lot of 18 year olds that 'want' to work, most people HAVE to work,,,,many 18 year olds don't really have to as they are usually still being subsidized in part or whole by parents,,,,and many are still seniors in high school or just graduated,


rioting and looting sends a terrible message and gives bigots just the ammo they need to feel like the negative stereotypes are accurate,,,,


true, 18 y/o's don't have to work. But not working or lack of parenting, too often leads to tragic events like this.

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/16/14 07:03 AM
lack of parenting often leads to irresponsible or even criminal behavior,,,

true


not sure that justifies shooting an unarmed teen though,, cause we would have a lot of dead trust fund kids and college students if that was true,,lol

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Sat 08/16/14 09:47 AM

no, technically, all ages ending in 'teen' are called teenagers,,lol

yes, robbery and assault are felonies

I have no information that he should have been at work, but do know that is no crime to not be at work

I don't know a lot of 18 year olds that 'want' to work, most people HAVE to work,,,,many 18 year olds don't really have to as they are usually still being subsidized in part or whole by parents,,,,and many are still seniors in high school or just graduated,


rioting and looting sends a terrible message and gives bigots just the ammo they need to feel like the negative stereotypes are accurate,,,,


rioting and looting brings out the worst on both sides and never benefits anyone. Where is the pride and care for their own neighborhood?
Communities like this never seem to improve but deteriorate. They become a slum breeding thugs like Brown. I feel sorry for the police that have to patrol these "hoods". IMHO

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/16/14 10:38 AM
I agree that I would not want to mess up where I lived

I also understand that a lot of people live places where they actually don't personally own any of it, but just pay the owners

places that they think are already too awful to get much worse



I do wish people would have pride in their home, , whether they own it or somebody else does,,, if you are calling it home you should take care of it

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Sat 08/16/14 10:58 AM

I agree that I would not want to mess up where I lived

I also understand that a lot of people live places where they actually don't personally own any of it, but just pay the owners

places that they think are already too awful to get much worse



I do wish people would have pride in their home, , whether they own it or somebody else does,,, if you are calling it home you should take care of it


I agree.:thumbsup:

Lpdon's photo
Sat 08/16/14 12:35 PM

burglary requires illegal entry

we don't have the death penalty for robbers in America

it will come down to whether he instigated an assault on the officer,,,or struggled for his gun

the latter should be easily proven with prints or dna on the gun in question,,,,,




No they don't. Once again you have no clue what your talking about. If you steal something from a business and they can prove you had the intent to steal it is Burglary. About half of the people I catch get charged with it. It is a law I deal with almost every day at work.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 08/16/14 12:41 PM
A person who, by day or night, enters any house, room, apartment, tenement, shop, warehouse, store, mill, barn, stable, outhouse or other building, tent, vessel, vehicle, vehicle trailer, semitrailer or house trailer, airplane, glider, boat or railroad car, with the intent to commit grand or petit larceny, assault or battery on any person or any felony, or to obtain money or property by false pretenses, is guilty of burglary.

http://law.justia.com/codes/nevada/2010/title15/chapter205/nrs205-060.html

Lpdon's photo
Mon 08/18/14 02:13 AM
Edited by Lpdon on Mon 08/18/14 02:50 AM
Police in Ferguson, Mo. used tear gas to clear the streets of protesters hours before a midnight curfew took effect for a second consecutive day, while a private autopsy on the unarmed black teen who was fatally shot by a white police officer in the St. Louis suburb reportedly showed six gunshot wounds, including two in the head.

The New York Times reported late Sunday that the autopsy was carried out at the request of Michael Brown's family by Dr. Michael Baden, the former chief medical examiner for New York City.

Baden told the Times that one of the bullets struck the top of Brown's skull, suggesting that the 18-year-old's head was bent forward when he was shot. The doctor added that four of the six shots struck Brown in the right arm, and all the bullets entered from the teen's front. Only three of the bullets were recovered from Brown's body.

Baden did not have access to Brown's clothes, which may have gunpowder residue on them if the bullets were fired from close range. Baden also did not have access to X-rays that may have shown where the bullets were found, nor did he see any witness or police statements.

Brown was fatally shot by Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson on the afternoon of August 9 after a confrontation near Brown's grandmother's apartment. The shooting has prompted nationwide protests and the controversy has been augmented by the response from local authorities, who have used tear gas and smoke canisters against protesters and have been slow to release information about the deadly encounter.

Baden told The Times that his findings were not meant to resolve the controversy over the confrontation between Brown and Wilson.

"We need more information; for example, the police should be examining the automobile to see if there is gunshot residue in the police car," he told the paper.

Baden's autopsy is the first of three planned in the case. Attorney General Eric Holder on Sunday ordered a federal medical examiner to perform an autopsy in addition to the one planned by state authorities. Justice Department spokesman Brian Fallon said that the order was prompted by the "extraordinary circumstances" surrounding the case and the wishes of Brown's family.

"This independent examination will take place as soon as possible," Fallon said. "Even after it is complete, Justice Department officials still plan to take the state-performed autopsy into account in the course of their investigation."

the latest clashes erupted three hours before the midnight curfew imposed by Gov. Jay Nixon. It was not clear why officers acted ahead of the deadline for people to be off the street. Police shouted over a bullhorn that the protest was no longer peaceful.

Officers in riot gear ordered all the protesters to disperse. Many of the marchers retreated, but a group of about 100 stood defiantly about two blocks away until getting hit by another volley of tear gas.

Protesters laid a line of cinder blocks across the street near the QuikTrip convenience store that was burned down last week. It was an apparent attempt to block police vehicles, but the vehicles easily plowed through. Someone set a nearby trash bin on fire, and gunshots rang out several blocks away.

Within two hours, most people had been cleared off West Florissant Avenue, one of the community's main thoroughfares. The streets remained empty as the curfew began. It was to remain in effect until 5 a.m.

Earlier in the day, Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who agency in now in charge of security in Ferguson, said he had met members of Brown's family and the experience "brought tears to my eyes and shame to my heart."

"When this is over," he told the crowd, "I'm going to go in my son's room. My black son, who wears his pants sagging, who wears his hat cocked to the side, got tattoos on his arms, but that's my baby."

Johnson added: "We all need to thank the Browns for Michael. Because Michael's going to make it better for our sons to be better black men."

The Rev. Al Sharpton told the rally Brown's death was a "defining moment for this country."

Sharpton said he wants Congress to stop programs that provide military-style weaponry to police departments. He said he expects police to "smear" the slain teenager, his family and his attorneys. He also condemned the recent violence and looting in Ferguson.

Wilson, a six-year police veteran with no recorded complaints against him, has been on paid administrative leave since the shooting, and the department has refused to say anything about his whereabouts.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/18/private-autopsy-on-michael-brown-reveals-that-was-shot-six-times-report-says/

What a surprise, the autopsy already contradicts what the dead thugs beast friend reported happened (on the first interview, we all have seen how his story keeps changing every day). He said the cops shot the thugs leg and the thug wasn't shot in the back as he was trying to flee as his feral friend stated to reporters and the police multiple times, he was shot from the front all times.

A clear picture of what happened is starting to get made here.

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Mon 08/18/14 09:50 AM
Calling this 6'4" 300lb terror a 'teen' is just another example of journalists intentionally painting a misleading picture in order to get more attention.

He was capable and motivated to shove around and intimidate an old man half his size.

And these dishonest activists are (as with Trayvon) circulating photos of him from when he was a child-teen, rather than a man-teen, saying 'Another teen was murdered' and such. Despicable.

A 19yo is nothing like a 13yo.

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/18/14 12:26 PM


burglary requires illegal entry

we don't have the death penalty for robbers in America

it will come down to whether he instigated an assault on the officer,,,or struggled for his gun

the latter should be easily proven with prints or dna on the gun in question,,,,,




No they don't. Once again you have no clue what your talking about. If you steal something from a business and they can prove you had the intent to steal it is Burglary. About half of the people I catch get charged with it. It is a law I deal with almost every day at work.


being charged with it doesn't mean you will be found guilty of it

because

the legal definition for burglary requires ILLEGAL ENTRY

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/18/14 12:26 PM

A person who, by day or night, enters any house, room, apartment, tenement, shop, warehouse, store, mill, barn, stable, outhouse or other building, tent, vessel, vehicle, vehicle trailer, semitrailer or house trailer, airplane, glider, boat or railroad car, with the intent to commit grand or petit larceny, assault or battery on any person or any felony, or to obtain money or property by false pretenses, is guilty of burglary.

http://law.justia.com/codes/nevada/2010/title15/chapter205/nrs205-060.html


ridiculous and news to me, Nevada is a backwards state

Missouri still requires ILLEGAL ENTRY as a requirement for burglary,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/18/14 12:32 PM

Calling this 6'4" 300lb terror a 'teen' is just another example of journalists intentionally painting a misleading picture in order to get more attention.

He was capable and motivated to shove around and intimidate an old man half his size.

And these dishonest activists are (as with Trayvon) circulating photos of him from when he was a child-teen, rather than a man-teen, saying 'Another teen was murdered' and such. Despicable.

A 19yo is nothing like a 13yo.


but yet they are both 'teenagers' still mostly dependent upon parents for support and guidance


its not as if teens cant be bad or commit crime, but that has nothing to do with whether they are still teenagers,,,

Lpdon's photo
Mon 08/18/14 05:36 PM

Calling this 6'4" 300lb terror a 'teen' is just another example of journalists intentionally painting a misleading picture in order to get more attention.

He was capable and motivated to shove around and intimidate an old man half his size.

And these dishonest activists are (as with Trayvon) circulating photos of him from when he was a child-teen, rather than a man-teen, saying 'Another teen was murdered' and such. Despicable.

A 19yo is nothing like a 13yo.


Once again you hit the nail right on the head!

Lpdon's photo
Mon 08/18/14 05:38 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Mon 08/18/14 05:38 PM


A person who, by day or night, enters any house, room, apartment, tenement, shop, warehouse, store, mill, barn, stable, outhouse or other building, tent, vessel, vehicle, vehicle trailer, semitrailer or house trailer, airplane, glider, boat or railroad car, with the intent to commit grand or petit larceny, assault or battery on any person or any felony, or to obtain money or property by false pretenses, is guilty of burglary.

http://law.justia.com/codes/nevada/2010/title15/chapter205/nrs205-060.html


ridiculous and news to me, Nevada is a backwards state

Missouri still requires ILLEGAL ENTRY as a requirement for burglary,,,


Actually all of the state's the laws are similar. What your talking about is B&E, Breaking and Entering. Burglary is theft with intent and there is nothing ridiculous about it. What's ridiculous is people entering a business and stealing.

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Mon 08/18/14 05:39 PM


Calling this 6'4" 300lb terror a 'teen' is just another example of journalists intentionally painting a misleading picture in order to get more attention.

He was capable and motivated to shove around and intimidate an old man half his size.

And these dishonest activists are (as with Trayvon) circulating photos of him from when he was a child-teen, rather than a man-teen, saying 'Another teen was murdered' and such. Despicable.

A 19yo is nothing like a 13yo.


but yet they are both 'teenagers'


By definition, yes.

still mostly dependent upon parents for support and guidance


The fact that we tend to think in terms of generalizations (which are 'mostly' true) is part of the problem. Those generalisations are very different for a 13yo or a 19yo, and they exploit this confusion. And most important, these generalisations don't apply to every single teenager... this guy was NOT a child, not by any stretch.


I believe that the people who choose the word 'teenager' are seeking to exploit our tendency to categorize in ways that are NOT at all like this horrible, 300lb person.



its not as if teens cant be bad or commit crime,


No, of course, teens are the worst. Many of them are perfectly aware of how the courts work, in terms of the ages at which they are most likely to get only a warning, and the ages at which their records are wiped clean and such. Teen criminals play the system.

but that has nothing to do with whether they are still teenagers,,,


There is no disputing this guy is technically a teenager, but I feel this only adds misdirection and confusion.

And when you see media showing images of his face when he was younger talking about how a "teen" or "child" was a victim of the police, that's outright dishonesty.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 08/18/14 05:45 PM



Calling this 6'4" 300lb terror a 'teen' is just another example of journalists intentionally painting a misleading picture in order to get more attention.

He was capable and motivated to shove around and intimidate an old man half his size.

And these dishonest activists are (as with Trayvon) circulating photos of him from when he was a child-teen, rather than a man-teen, saying 'Another teen was murdered' and such. Despicable.

A 19yo is nothing like a 13yo.


but yet they are both 'teenagers'


By definition, yes.

still mostly dependent upon parents for support and guidance


The fact that we tend to think in terms of generalizations (which are 'mostly' true) is part of the problem. Those generalisations are very different for a 13yo or a 19yo, and they exploit this confusion. And most important, these generalisations don't apply to every single teenager... this guy was NOT a child, not by any stretch.


I believe that the people who choose the word 'teenager' are seeking to exploit our tendency to categorize in ways that are NOT at all like this horrible, 300lb person.



its not as if teens cant be bad or commit crime,


No, of course, teens are the worst. Many of them are perfectly aware of how the courts work, in terms of the ages at which they are most likely to get only a warning, and the ages at which their records are wiped clean and such. Teen criminals play the system.

but that has nothing to do with whether they are still teenagers,,,


There is no disputing this guy is technically a teenager, but I feel this only adds misdirection and confusion.

And when you see media showing images of his face when he was younger talking about how a "teen" or "child" was a victim of the police, that's outright dishonesty.



Depending on the severity of the crime and\or if they are tried as an adult. Typically their record becomes sealed once they turn 18 and a lot of teenagers know that. Also they know if they are under the age of eighteen most businesses wont press charges on them, they know that the retailer will (9 times out of 10) just call their parents and release them into their parents custody.

willing2's photo
Mon 08/18/14 06:01 PM
Muh bruvah da ambalance chaser sez stealing ain't burglary.

He be lerned good.:wink: