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Topic: Teen shot by cop suspect in recent robbery
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Fri 08/15/14 11:43 AM
Edited by alleoops on Fri 08/15/14 11:51 AM
Police: Teen shot by cop suspect in recent robbery

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — A suburban St. Louis police chief on Friday identified the officer whose fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager ignited days of heated protests, and released documents alleging the teen was killed after a robbery in which he was suspected of stealing a box of cigars worth $48.99.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3510369895&feature=iv&src_vid=sbv6QGhXj7g&v=_BV7b3RJ7aQ

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson released police reports stemming from the case during a news conference where he also identified the officer involved as Darren Wilson, who has been on administrative leave since he shot 18-year-old Michael Brown on Aug. 9.
Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, were suspected of taking the cigars from a convenience store in Ferguson that morning, according to police documents. Jackson said Wilson responded after a 911 call reported a "strong-arm" robbery just before noon. He said a dispatcher gave a description of the suspect, and Wilson encountered Brown a few minutes before another officer arrived.

Jackson said Wilson is a six-year veteran of the police department, but he refused to release any other details about the officer.

Crump noted that police aren't releasing a photo of the officer but released photos from the store's security video that they say shows Brown grabbing a man inside the store. Crump said he hadn't seen the photos.

"(Police) are choosing to disseminate information that is very strategic to try to help them justify the execution-style murder of their son by this police officer in broad daylight," said Crump, who also represented the family of Trayvon Martin, the teenager fatally shot by a Florida neighborhood watch organizer who was later acquitted of murder.
The video, dated Aug. 9, appears to show a man wearing a ball cap, shorts and white T-shirt grabbing a much shorter man by his shirt near the store's door. A police report alleges that Brown grabbed a man who had come from behind the store counter by his shirt and "forcefully pushed him back" into a display rack.
Police have said Brown was shot after an officer encountered him and another man on the street during a routine patrol. They say one of the men pushed the officer into his squad car, then physically assaulted him in the vehicle and struggled with the officer over the officer's weapon. At least one shot was fired inside the car before the struggle spilled onto the street, where Brown was shot multiple times, according to police.

Dorian Johnson has told media a different story. He said an officer ordered him and Brown onto the sidewalk, then grabbed his friend's neck and tried to pull him into the car before brandishing his weapon and firing. He said Brown started to run and the officer pursued him, firing multiple times.


Johnson, Brown's friend, acknowledged to investigators that he and Brown were in the store and "that he did take cigarillos," his attorney, Freeman Bosley, told MSNBC. Bosley said he was aware of video but had not seen it.

http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html

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Fri 08/15/14 11:49 AM
well, there are more facts anyway. How they become relevant to what happened the night of the shooting is yet to be seen.

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Fri 08/15/14 11:51 AM
It appears this will be another whom do you believe story.huh

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Fri 08/15/14 11:56 AM
I think there can be evidence to sway more to one side than the other.

If the claim of Brown being grabbed by the throat and forcibly moved are true,, there may be some forensic evidence that he was in fact grabbed there. And if the claim that he punched the officer is true (because he went to the hospital for facial bruises) is true, there may be evidence that there were punches thrown by Brown.

Of course, it would be hard to prove which came first (the choking or the punching),,,,but the policemans record in similar situations will be important too.


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Fri 08/15/14 01:16 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Fri 08/15/14 01:15 PM

Police: Teen shot by cop suspect in recent robbery

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — A suburban St. Louis police chief on Friday identified the officer whose fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager ignited days of heated protests, and released documents alleging the teen was killed after a robbery in which he was suspected of stealing a box of cigars worth $48.99.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3510369895&feature=iv&src_vid=sbv6QGhXj7g&v=_BV7b3RJ7aQ

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson released police reports stemming from the case during a news conference where he also identified the officer involved as Darren Wilson, who has been on administrative leave since he shot 18-year-old Michael Brown on Aug. 9.
Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, were suspected of taking the cigars from a convenience store in Ferguson that morning, according to police documents. Jackson said Wilson responded after a 911 call reported a "strong-arm" robbery just before noon. He said a dispatcher gave a description of the suspect, and Wilson encountered Brown a few minutes before another officer arrived.

Jackson said Wilson is a six-year veteran of the police department, but he refused to release any other details about the officer.

Crump noted that police aren't releasing a photo of the officer but released photos from the store's security video that they say shows Brown grabbing a man inside the store. Crump said he hadn't seen the photos.

"(Police) are choosing to disseminate information that is very strategic to try to help them justify the execution-style murder of their son by this police officer in broad daylight," said Crump, who also represented the family of Trayvon Martin, the teenager fatally shot by a Florida neighborhood watch organizer who was later acquitted of murder.
The video, dated Aug. 9, appears to show a man wearing a ball cap, shorts and white T-shirt grabbing a much shorter man by his shirt near the store's door. A police report alleges that Brown grabbed a man who had come from behind the store counter by his shirt and "forcefully pushed him back" into a display rack.
Police have said Brown was shot after an officer encountered him and another man on the street during a routine patrol. They say one of the men pushed the officer into his squad car, then physically assaulted him in the vehicle and struggled with the officer over the officer's weapon. At least one shot was fired inside the car before the struggle spilled onto the street, where Brown was shot multiple times, according to police.

Dorian Johnson has told media a different story. He said an officer ordered him and Brown onto the sidewalk, then grabbed his friend's neck and tried to pull him into the car before brandishing his weapon and firing. He said Brown started to run and the officer pursued him, firing multiple times.


Johnson, Brown's friend, acknowledged to investigators that he and Brown were in the store and "that he did take cigarillos," his attorney, Freeman Bosley, told MSNBC. Bosley said he was aware of video but had not seen it.

http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html



I see, well this is the fourth time Johnson changed his story. I have been involved in many strong armed robberies over the years. That is when a shoplifter uses excessive force to retain merchandise. They are usually violent offenders with a violent history. People committing this type of crime are NO fun to take into custody and in many cases us being unarmed it would take a couple of people to get them down and handcuffed. Many times I came hone with bruises, cuts, scrapes, swollen body parts etc.

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Fri 08/15/14 01:20 PM
Browns grandmother said that he was going to go to college but I looks like he was going to prison first.

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Fri 08/15/14 01:21 PM
I am suspected in a jaywalking case, think they'll shoot me? How about choking me to death- afterall I broke the law

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Fri 08/15/14 04:13 PM


Looks like just another dead thug.

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Fri 08/15/14 07:54 PM
Michael Brown's strong-arm robbery of that store does not justify the way that he was killed.

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Fri 08/15/14 08:06 PM

Michael Brown's strong-arm robbery of that store does not justify the way that he was killed.


How was he killed?

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Fri 08/15/14 08:07 PM


Michael Brown's strong-arm robbery of that store does not justify the way that he was killed.


How was he killed?


He was unarmed, right?

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Fri 08/15/14 08:23 PM



Michael Brown's strong-arm robbery of that store does not justify the way that he was killed.


How was he killed?


He was unarmed, right?


I don't know. I wasn't there. I read that there was a struggle for the officers gun inside the police car where one shot was fired. If the officer feared for his life, as appears to be the case, then he was justified in protecting himself. But again, I was not there. If I have to choose who to believe, I'll believe the officer before I would believe a street thug. But that's just me.

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Fri 08/15/14 09:26 PM
Edited by David8976 on Fri 08/15/14 09:32 PM
If the original story is true the police officer murdered brown. In the 70s or something we had a police officer kill a guy who was running away handcuffed because he didn't want to chase him. The police officer wasn't charged.

Looks like another police officer who tried that recently got jail time.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/06/johnnie-riley-found-guilty-of-shooting-unarmed-suspect-calvin-kyle-in-the-back-103977.html

another guy shot while handcuffed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2662107/The-shocking-moment-police-officer-shot-dead-unarmed-handcuffed-bodybuilder-outside-jail-tried-hospital.html


Seems to happen quite often. At least twice this year with a quick search. The screening they do for police officers is pathetic. A very small percent of the population has the ability to do the job and it's unlikely many of them would ever want to be a police officer. It's the same as politicians. The people who want to become politicians are the people who shouldn't be politicians.

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Sat 08/16/14 12:37 AM

I am suspected in a jaywalking case, think they'll shoot me? How about choking me to death- afterall I broke the law


There's a difference between Jaywalking and Strong Arm Robbery.

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Sat 08/16/14 12:39 AM

Michael Brown's strong-arm robbery of that store does not justify the way that he was killed.


Depends. If he attacked a cop inside a patrol car, then yes. You got to remember Brown just committed a violent crime less then 15 minutes prior and his adrenaline was pumping (we call it instant stupidity). He probably knew the cops were looking for him and he knew it would be serious when they found him, which increases the fight or flight response.

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Sat 08/16/14 12:52 AM
Edited by Lpdon on Sat 08/16/14 01:06 AM




Michael Brown's strong-arm robbery of that store does not justify the way that he was killed.


How was he killed?


He was unarmed, right?


I don't know. I wasn't there. I read that there was a struggle for the officers gun inside the police car where one shot was fired. If the officer feared for his life, as appears to be the case, then he was justified in protecting himself. But again, I was not there. If I have to choose who to believe, I'll believe the officer before I would believe a street thug. But that's just me.


I will believe the video of Brown knocking an old man around over a 49 dollar pack of cigars. He was a violent person, PERIOD. He entered a business with the intent to commit a theft (burglary) THEN when approached he attacked the employee, who was a little old man(Robbery, Battery possibly elder abuse or here in Nevada there is an elderly enhancement if they are over 55 and turned around and chased the old man back into the store (which is rare). A typical shoplifter would just run and 99.9% of the time they are just trying to, the don't usually stop to kick the crap out of someone who stops them. Actually over 80% of the people if done right you can talk them back into the store and at the very least get your property back.

Since the 90's I have been catching shoplifters and I have seen just about everything you can imagine. I have been in fisticuffs more times then I can count, I have had weapons pulled on me, been slashed, and typically it is usually the booster trying to push or swing at you to try and get away. In fact there are only two times I can recall where someone actually stopped and decided they stopped turned around and attacked me or my partner. Both times they were ex felons, one was a gang member.


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Sat 08/16/14 12:57 AM

If the original story is true the police officer murdered brown. In the 70s or something we had a police officer kill a guy who was running away handcuffed because he didn't want to chase him. The police officer wasn't charged.

Looks like another police officer who tried that recently got jail time.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/06/johnnie-riley-found-guilty-of-shooting-unarmed-suspect-calvin-kyle-in-the-back-103977.html

another guy shot while handcuffed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2662107/The-shocking-moment-police-officer-shot-dead-unarmed-handcuffed-bodybuilder-outside-jail-tried-hospital.html


Seems to happen quite often. At least twice this year with a quick search. The screening they do for police officers is pathetic. A very small percent of the population has the ability to do the job and it's unlikely many of them would ever want to be a police officer. It's the same as politicians. The people who want to become politicians are the people who shouldn't be politicians.


Well, that is just stupidity on the cops part. It is not hard to control someone who is handcuffed. You just put them on their a$$. Anyone who strikes someone who is handcuffed is a coward and needs to be put in prison (It is against the law, once you cuff them your legally responsible for them. Hell, I wont even put someone face down if I have them linked up. To easy for them to suffocate.

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Sat 08/16/14 12:58 AM

Browns grandmother said that he was going to go to college but I looks like he was going to prison first.


Gangbangers and thugs call Prison college...........

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Sat 08/16/14 01:20 AM

If the original story is true the police officer murdered brown. In the 70s or something we had a police officer kill a guy who was running away handcuffed because he didn't want to chase him. The police officer wasn't charged.

Looks like another police officer who tried that recently got jail time.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/06/johnnie-riley-found-guilty-of-shooting-unarmed-suspect-calvin-kyle-in-the-back-103977.html

another guy shot while handcuffed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2662107/The-shocking-moment-police-officer-shot-dead-unarmed-handcuffed-bodybuilder-outside-jail-tried-hospital.html


Seems to happen quite often. At least twice this year with a quick search. The screening they do for police officers is pathetic. A very small percent of the population has the ability to do the job and it's unlikely many of them would ever want to be a police officer. It's the same as politicians. The people who want to become politicians are the people who shouldn't be politicians.


don't see anywhere that Brown was Handcuffed!

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Sat 08/16/14 03:41 AM


If the original story is true the police officer murdered brown. In the 70s or something we had a police officer kill a guy who was running away handcuffed because he didn't want to chase him. The police officer wasn't charged.

Looks like another police officer who tried that recently got jail time.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/06/johnnie-riley-found-guilty-of-shooting-unarmed-suspect-calvin-kyle-in-the-back-103977.html

another guy shot while handcuffed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2662107/The-shocking-moment-police-officer-shot-dead-unarmed-handcuffed-bodybuilder-outside-jail-tried-hospital.html


Seems to happen quite often. At least twice this year with a quick search. The screening they do for police officers is pathetic. A very small percent of the population has the ability to do the job and it's unlikely many of them would ever want to be a police officer. It's the same as politicians. The people who want to become politicians are the people who shouldn't be politicians.


don't see anywhere that Brown was Handcuffed!


He wasn't. The cop didn't even have a chance to get out of his car before the punk attacked.

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