some non-believers that Jesus is not the Son of God. They say that is just myth.
But how could be possible that this myth divided time in before and after him?
even if it was something invented by the early christian
how come 2007 years after that, it's something that has not been rebbuted succesfully by science?

Calenders?

Popular agreement. Just because many agree does not make it so...

Works both ways.

a very strong agreement though
i wonder where this strenght comes from?
the air, the water, the fire, the earth
just wondering

Strength? Within whom?

the calendar????

Ok...I wasn't sure...the strength of popular agreement.


I am not sure Miguel, I am not that up on the historical influences...I am sure one of our informed posters will explain it for both of us.

Good question, but the Christian church has always been a strong force in our political history. It does not surprise me that they would take this and make B.C. and A.D. a standard when talking about historical timelines.

i have my own explanation
which i'm more that sure it's not very popular in these halls
i want to hear the others' explanations

agreed Bay
but the Church has lost a lot of power in the last 100 years
why any of the atheist scientifics has not been succefully able to prove that this is another of the so called "lies or myths" invented by the Church.
to get the primitive tribes under control

there were no accurate calendars until the Mayan calendar was found.

still the mayan calendar it's not what we actually used nowadays in the western world
we use a calendar developed by the greeks or the romans (not sure in this one)

They say that through lack of historical record as well as the many similarities between the previous religions of the areas occupied by Jews, as well as the non-agreement between WHEN Jesus existed and died.

The calendar created by the Church isn't the only calendar, after all. The Chinese calendar was established well before Christ's supposed birth and didn't change after his supposed death. Time also isn't revolving around us and how we measure it. Calendars are merely a relativistic measurement with our placement in the solar system.

i'm focusing my question in the western world.
the world coming from the roman and greek cultures

Well if you're only looking at the Western world, which isn't really all that matters, of course there's going to be mostly Christian beliefs and customs.

So is it really weird that mostly Christian cultures dominated through the years? The Christian's were the one's who "helped" other civilizations with their so called "bad" religions and numerous of documents and traditions were lost.

And also, once a society has conformed to a certain way, especially now, it is very hard to change it. I know historians have tried to change the year system (forgive me I forget the exact notations) but it's proving very hard.

"Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his reason."
— Martin Luther

"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."
— Martin Luther

"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."
— Martin Luther

"Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it."
— Proverbs 22:6

"There are a lot of very brilliant scholars who believe the reason we have incomplete science on evolution is that there is a higher power involved in this."
— Bill O'Reilly

"We do not know how God created, what processes He used, for God used processes which are not now operating anywhere in the natural universe. This is why we refer to divine creation as special creation. We cannot discover by scientific investigations anything about the creative processes used by God."
— Duane Gish, in Evolution, The Fossils Say No! p. 42

"If you can't trust the Bible's history, how can you trust its morality?"
— Ken Ham, founder of Answers in Genesis

"I did not know from a scientific perspective why I did not believe in evolution – but I knew from a Biblical perspective it had to be wrong or my faith was in trouble."
— Ken Ham, in The Lie – Evolution

"If we lose Genesis as a legitimate scientific and historical explanation for man, then do we lose the validity of Christianity?

Kat

well galileo did it
he proved that the Church was wrong for centuries.
why can't the wstern culture be wrong about the division of the time line?
what is that force to keep this over the centuries.
just popular custom?
just wondering

Found this on

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/heather.hobden1/moon-3.htm

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Fixing the actual date of the birth of Christ and numbering the years from this as the Christian Era was invented by the Scythian (from South Russia, or south Siberia) monk Dionysius Exiguus (Dennis the Little). In 532 AD he was in Rome trying to calculate the date for Easter - a contentious issue for the church at the time. He calculated that Christ's birth must have occurred in 753 A.U.C. that is 753 years from the founding of Roman (Ab Urbe Condita). He called the years after Anno ab Incarnatione (Year of Incarnation).

AD (Anno Domini) and the use of the century as a unit were not invented until the 16th century. the use of BC came about in the 17th century. More recently BCE (before the Christian Era) is more acceptable to the majority who are not Christian, and BP (before present) is more relevant to archaeologists and geologists.

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Miguel wrote:
“how come 2007 years after that, it's something that has not been rebbuted succesfully by science?”

What do you mean by “rebutted successfully by science”?

Where calendar makers choose to begin their count is an entirely arbitrary choice.

What’s to rebut?

the division of the timeline
why do we have that division?

Miguel wrote:
“the division of the timeline
why do we have that division?”

Because they had to start counting somewhere. And no matter where they started counting there would have been a past behind that. So no matter where they chose to start they would end up with a division.

Like I say, it was an arbitrary choice. I’m sure that some religious people who believed that that earth is only 6000 years old would have liked to have started the calendar at that point in time. They, (at least in their mind) there wouldn’t have been anything prior to that because year 1 would have been the creation of the earth and Adam and Eve and all that.

However, had that been the case, then science actually has successfully rebutted that claim by showing that the earth is actually 4.5 billion years old, and the universe itself is almost 14 billion years old.