Topic: Liberal Logic
msharmony's photo
Tue 05/20/14 05:19 PM



I find it amusing that someone would claim that msharmony is Asian in a feeble and failed attempt to discredit her.


I actually think he was implying Im not 'moral' or 'proud' and therefore obviously not Asians, who so obviously are both ,,,


The next time you want to laugh at something he says, then use this emoticon:



That way the meaning is clear. laugh




where did u find it? laugh

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 05/20/14 05:20 PM




I find it amusing that someone would claim that msharmony is Asian in a feeble and failed attempt to discredit her.


I actually think he was implying Im not 'moral' or 'proud' and therefore obviously not Asians, who so obviously are both ,,,


The next time you want to laugh at something he says, then use this emoticon:



That way the meaning is clear. laugh




where did u find it? laugh


http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/laughing-smiley-face.gif

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Wed 05/21/14 03:47 PM

ul�kig laugh


Ah yes, a word with no meaning without context. So which context would be implied?

funny � weird � comic � odd � comical � peculiar � laughable � laughably � in a funny way.

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Wed 05/21/14 04:05 PM



That's obvious, Asian/Pacific Rim people are very proud and moral people.

And you can try to instill some trash about cultural differences but they don't fly, human nature is human nature. And you can twist and turn all you want, you usually do, but doesn't really change things, does it?

no, cultures have NO Differences,, that's why we have the term, its just one CULTURE, all inclusive of all beliefs and customs

cause we know NORTH AMERICAN Culture is IDENTICAL to Asian culture,,

explain to me again how laughing, smiling, eye contact are just 'human nature' that mean the same things in all contexts, situations and cultures, and how me not knowing about such 'human nature' makes me less than proud or 'moral'?

rofl rofl rofl rofl


There you go again, trying to deflect from what you are admitting you know little about. A human around the world differs in physical attributes and mannerisms, but not in human traits. They have their cultural way of doing things, but in essence what they do is not much different, just the manner.

Culture is like the Japanese, to know their true sediment, you must take them drinking as only after a few drinks are they not in dishonor to speak their true feelings. A moral code that entitlement people would ill understand, that they have the same physiological traits but culture prescribes the manner in which they may express them.

So keep throwing out the trash but that is all it is trash. An attempt to obtain the moral ground based on immoral acts. But perhaps if you keep saying something enough times, you will convince yourself it is true, but excuse me if I insist to differ.

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Wed 05/21/14 04:22 PM

Here is one example of cultural differences...

In America we tend to affirm our agreements, you lay out a proposal and someone in the room says "That sounds good, let's do that" if no one says anything you just stand there thinking it didn't go over very well.

In Japanese culture silence is agreement, you lay out a proposal and if no one objects, then it is assumed that everyone agrees. And you can take it as a sign that it went well.

For those of us that choose to learn,(with an open mind), and those of us that stayed in school long enough to have an inter-personal communications class that focused on cultural differences in not only speech, but also gestures would understand that Human Nature<>One Culture


Don't know where you got your crap, but not from experience, must have been that indoctrination.

And to those that choose to learn with an open mind, gets crammed full of crap. And you may choose some class, normally taught by one with academic honors but little practical experience and believe one is truly educated but that isn't reality.

Reality is the real world. Not some inter-personal communications class, but in the face reaction. Being there and doing, not saying. To learn culture from those with experience from having been down that path already.

So you go ahead and pretend that that indoctrination is somehow related to education. I'll stick to knowing that education is to learn from the master's that live and practice that which one would like to know.

And go ahead and try that little trick in Japan and I will sing and dance all the way to the bank as I cash that commission check for what could have been your order. Been there, done that.

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Wed 05/21/14 04:25 PM

I remember those things from cultural diversity classes in college,,,,


its one of the most interesting and cool things about human beings, those little cultural differences amidst all the human commonalities,,,


Really and to what benefit have you placed them? Was this a test and run course?

isaac_dede's photo
Wed 05/21/14 04:39 PM
Edited by isaac_dede on Wed 05/21/14 04:54 PM


Here is one example of cultural differences...

In America we tend to affirm our agreements, you lay out a proposal and someone in the room says "That sounds good, let's do that" if no one says anything you just stand there thinking it didn't go over very well.

In Japanese culture silence is agreement, you lay out a proposal and if no one objects, then it is assumed that everyone agrees. And you can take it as a sign that it went well.

For those of us that choose to learn,(with an open mind), and those of us that stayed in school long enough to have an inter-personal communications class that focused on cultural differences in not only speech, but also gestures would understand that Human Nature<>One Culture


Don't know where you got your crap, but not from experience, must have been that indoctrination.

And to those that choose to learn with an open mind, gets crammed full of crap. And you may choose some class, normally taught by one with academic honors but little practical experience and believe one is truly educated but that isn't reality.

Reality is the real world. Not some inter-personal communications class, but in the face reaction. Being there and doing, not saying. To learn culture from those with experience from having been down that path already.

So you go ahead and pretend that that indoctrination is somehow related to education. I'll stick to knowing that education is to learn from the master's that live and practice that which one would like to know.

And go ahead and try that little trick in Japan and I will sing and dance all the way to the bank as I cash that commission check for what could have been your order. Been there, done that.

I'm prior Navy, and I can tell you from EXPERIENCE that human nature<>One Culture...but maybe because I was open to the ideas of those around me, instead of thinking I'm smarter than everyone around me, and feebly attempting to discredit them. If Einstein didn't do this, in fact one of my favorite quotes of his is "I have no special talents, I am just passionately curious" he was opened to learning with an open-mind.

I have traveled to Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, India, Mexico, and Canada and I can say from EXPERIENCE that there are VAST cultural differences in these countries, not only are there cultural differences in these countries, there are cultural differences among groups in these countries.

But personally I don't know why I bother arguing with a college-dropout that can't keep a business running. So i'm done now.


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Wed 05/21/14 04:52 PM

I find it amusing that someone would claim that msharmony is Asian in a feeble and failed attempt to discredit her.


That would only be those that fail to comprehend that would find anything of a false accusation has been implied. In fact it has been clearly stated just the opposite.


That's obvious, Asian/Pacific Rim people are very proud and moral people.


It is not I that find anything about this delusional. I fully comprehend and reply in kind. But I do find it amusing how many here try to pretend that facts have nothing to do with truths, that words have no definitions, that implications are not to be construed and so many other falsehoods.

And I do truly enjoy being the biggest a-hole here, disliked and hated by the 80% crowd that disdain any that don't believe and follow the popular consensus without question. But I don't do this to be popular, just to show a path to the 20% that want a little direction. I don't ask for followers or believers, I detest both. I am but a match by which those wishing to escape darkness can see the way.

And when the shoe fits, wear it. And if you think the truth is something feeble and an attempt to discredit, you may just be right. The fact of the matter is that truth itself, by it's very nature, is belligerent because it wages war against all forms of deception and mind control.


There are two ways to be fooled, one is believing what is not true, the other is to refuse to accept what is true.
-Soren Kierkegaard


And of course if there are things that aren't really true, you can always bring forth your evidence and refute it, but crying carries no weight.

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Wed 05/21/14 05:35 PM
Edited by alnewman on Wed 05/21/14 05:38 PM

I'm prior Navy, and I can tell you from EXPERIENCE that human nature<>One Culture...but maybe because I was open to the ideas of those around me, instead of thinking I'm smarter than everyone around me, and feebly attempting to discredit them. If Einstein didn't do this, in fact one of my favorite quotes of his is "I have no special talents, I am just passionately curious" he was opened to learning with an open-mind.

I have traveled to Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, India, Mexico, and Canada and I can say from EXPERIENCE that there are VAST cultural differences in these countries, not only are there cultural differences in these countries, there are cultural differences among groups in these countries.

But personally I don't know why I bother arguing with a college-dropout that can't keep a business running. So i'm done now.


Really, a drunken sailor in a port of call, what an experience. But I have been to all those and so many more, not as a sailor but a businessman. I represented a manufacturer and supported my local sales groups all around this world. I spent time with them and their families in their homes. I dealt with them on a daily basis. I worked with them on integrating my products into their lives, their businesses.

And if you think your little soirees into the bars and brothels of a port of call exposed you to culture, you are as misguided as the indoctrination that gave you that perception.

Singapore, Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur, Mexico City (don't really count Tijuana or Juarez) and all those great cities in Canada with no ports, but too bad you missed some great cities, Manila, Jakarta, Seoul, Bejing, Bangkok, Pattaya, Ho Chi Minh City, DaNang, Shanghai, Karachi, Paris, Nice, Monaco, London, Cambridge, Stuttgart, Munich, Rio de Janeiro, San Paolo, Brasilia, Caracas, Quito and this list could keep on and on and on. And I needn't even mention all those rich South and Latin America rep owners that we did business in their lavish homes and condos on Biscayne Boulevard in Miami.

And none of these were bar girls for rent but people that I knew and that knew me, personally. People with which we ate together, drank together, played together, spent time in each others homes. So your experience to culture is about as valid as that indoctrination is to education.

And your insinuation that you understand anything about business much less mine is absolute pretentious. The only thing even more pretentious would be your understanding of the economy and economical factors. But surprise, surprise, you will soon find out.

And done now, I think you are using the wrong tense, more related to history.

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 05/21/14 06:29 PM

Really, a drunken sailor in a port of call, what an experience.


whoa

Once again using ad hominem to attack someone who disagrees with you. How pathetic.

isaac_dede's photo
Wed 05/21/14 06:43 PM
Now i understand why you don't understand culture, sure the Culturally elite in every country have a 'similar' pretentious arrogance with which i'm sure you're very comfortable being around. But in those countries I didn't visit the homes of the elite, I visited the people on the streets, building roofs for schools, working with the 'everyday' people.

But according to you, there would be no such stigma as a 'drunken sailor' because that would insinuate that their would have to be a 'culture' among the sailors, but those clearly don't exist, so then neither can drunken sailors. So do 'cultures' exist only when you want them to? laugh

But I was married when I was in, I didn't like to go to the bars, I understood the value of the experience and wanted to explore where the 'real' people live.

India, even though they deny it, are still very much in a caste type system. But i'm sure you will never see the lower caste as what they are, humans. But instead like a lot of people you will see them as foot-stools to build the upper-echelon.

At least this gives me an insight into what type of person you are, and one I wouldn't want to ever associate with in real life, and am no longer going to indulge in little insult games of putting others down because something about them 'doesn't live up to expectations'

I'm sure you drive a really fancy car too.

InvictusV's photo
Wed 05/21/14 07:54 PM

Now i understand why you don't understand culture, sure the Culturally elite in every country have a 'similar' pretentious arrogance with which i'm sure you're very comfortable being around. But in those countries I didn't visit the homes of the elite, I visited the people on the streets, building roofs for schools, working with the 'everyday' people.

But according to you, there would be no such stigma as a 'drunken sailor' because that would insinuate that their would have to be a 'culture' among the sailors, but those clearly don't exist, so then neither can drunken sailors. So do 'cultures' exist only when you want them to? laugh

But I was married when I was in, I didn't like to go to the bars, I understood the value of the experience and wanted to explore where the 'real' people live.

India, even though they deny it, are still very much in a caste type system. But i'm sure you will never see the lower caste as what they are, humans. But instead like a lot of people you will see them as foot-stools to build the upper-echelon.

At least this gives me an insight into what type of person you are, and one I wouldn't want to ever associate with in real life, and am no longer going to indulge in little insult games of putting others down because something about them 'doesn't live up to expectations'

I'm sure you drive a really fancy car too.


Conspiracy theorists are good for a laugh. No one from the upper echelon of business could possibly butcher the English language so badly. Im sure Bill Gates takes a few shoe shiners and luggage carriers on business trips..

isaac_dede's photo
Wed 05/21/14 08:13 PM
When I see him post it reminds me of this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE6iAjEv9dQ

don't get me wrong, I'm sure he is a very successful

msharmony's photo
Wed 05/21/14 08:19 PM
the link didn't open,,,

isaac_dede's photo
Wed 05/21/14 09:44 PM

When I see him post it reminds me of this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE6iAjEv9dQ

don't get me wrong, I'm sure he is a very successful

fixed it...forgot to remove the 's' at the end of http

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Wed 05/21/14 09:58 PM


Really, a drunken sailor in a port of call, what an experience.


whoa

Once again using ad hominem to attack someone who disagrees with you. How pathetic.


Again, your opinion taken out of context so who cares. That seems to be your standard reply, never a rebuttal of facts, just some reference to something that isn't.

Oh, I was bought up in one of the world's largest Navy towns. So don't try to say that it isn't truth, because that in itself would be a lie. So you are posting pure BS, because you can't address the argument.

So please look up pathetic, no let me do it for you:


pathetic, adjective
1. arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.


Yeah, I would say pathetic applies, but totally misdirected, try a mirror.

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Wed 05/21/14 10:02 PM



I find it amusing that someone would claim that msharmony is Asian in a feeble and failed attempt to discredit her.


I actually think he was implying Im not 'moral' or 'proud' and therefore obviously not Asians, who so obviously are both ,,,


The next time you want to laugh at something he says, then use this emoticon:



That way the meaning is clear. laugh


I have no problem at all, clear as a bell to me. Seems to be a personal issue.

msharmony's photo
Wed 05/21/14 11:55 PM


When I see him post it reminds me of this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE6iAjEv9dQ

don't get me wrong, I'm sure he is a very successful

fixed it...forgot to remove the 's' at the end of http


That Brad guy is kind of,,,,love


lol.. love the song too,

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/22/14 12:24 AM




That's obvious, Asian/Pacific Rim people are very proud and moral people.

And you can try to instill some trash about cultural differences but they don't fly, human nature is human nature. And you can twist and turn all you want, you usually do, but doesn't really change things, does it?

no, cultures have NO Differences,, that's why we have the term, its just one CULTURE, all inclusive of all beliefs and customs

cause we know NORTH AMERICAN Culture is IDENTICAL to Asian culture,,

explain to me again how laughing, smiling, eye contact are just 'human nature' that mean the same things in all contexts, situations and cultures, and how me not knowing about such 'human nature' makes me less than proud or 'moral'?

rofl rofl rofl rofl


There you go again, trying to deflect from what you are admitting you know little about. A human around the world differs in physical attributes and mannerisms, but not in human traits. They have their cultural way of doing things, but in essence what they do is not much different, just the manner.

Culture is like the Japanese, to know their true sediment, you must take them drinking as only after a few drinks are they not in dishonor to speak their true feelings. A moral code that entitlement people would ill understand, that they have the same physiological traits but culture prescribes the manner in which they may express them.

So keep throwing out the trash but that is all it is trash. An attempt to obtain the moral ground based on immoral acts. But perhaps if you keep saying something enough times, you will convince yourself it is true, but excuse me if I insist to differ.

yep,so SEDIMENTAL!

Man oh Man!

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 05/22/14 10:27 AM



Really, a drunken sailor in a port of call, what an experience.


whoa

Once again using ad hominem to attack someone who disagrees with you. How pathetic.


Again, your opinion taken out of context so who cares. That seems to be your standard reply, never a rebuttal of facts, just some reference to something that isn't.

Oh, I was bought up in one of the world's largest Navy towns. So don't try to say that it isn't truth, because that in itself would be a lie. So you are posting pure BS, because you can't address the argument.

So please look up pathetic, no let me do it for you:


pathetic, adjective
1. arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.


Yeah, I would say pathetic applies, but totally misdirected, try a mirror.


The above attempt to tear me down through the continued use of ad hominem gives me the urge to respond like this:



However, I will try to maintain my composure. indifferent