Topic: Liberal Logic
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Wed 05/14/14 02:51 PM

.. politics and Logic.
Hmm..:laugh


Politics defy logic, hence the current state of affairs. Politics is in the realm of fiction while logic dictates that one follow the path of truth.

Politics follows the false dichotomy of servants having some kind of authority while logic dictates that the master is responsible for correcting the bad behavior of the servants. Once the people wake up and realize this simple matter, this country will start upon the road to recovery.

Logic and truth dictate that no man has authority over another. Politics assumes that authority can be granted from those with no authority to grant it.

So you can post cute little slogans, but it ill changes the logic of he truth. Natural law is the truth and is immutable, no matter just how hard one tries to ignore it truth.

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Wed 05/14/14 03:08 PM

curious anyone here pass the Bar Exam?....all raise their hands....

"looks around" yep thought so....

I understand the intent you are trying to get across, but if lack of objection is acceptance.....

Then why are men charged with rape when a woman is to passed out drunk....she didn't object so should it be assumed that because she didn't object that she accepted what was going to happen?

Same with rapist who use chloroform....I could just see the defense

"She didn't object your honor....and in my book that is acceptance"laugh


You would never understand the concept or you wouldn't even try to imply they are anywhere near the same. It just demonstrates the total lack of knowledge of the entire concept of law, natural or otherwise.

And your understanding of the BAR and the BAR exam is but the utter disregard for any concept of knowledge. For knowledge is based on the acceptance of truth not the ignorance of ignoring truth's existence.

The theory that you are purporting is the concept of the entitlement crown. The refusal to accept any knowledge of moral being other than the strict animal instincts supported by the limbic or middle brain. that in and of itself wouldn't be a totally bad thing except for the tendency of man to engage the left neo cortex and commit acts of aggression. In other words a psychopathic statist progressive liberal or neo conservative. All police and law enforcement officers fall into this category, where did the peace officers go?

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Wed 05/14/14 03:10 PM

So the mom put a pinhole in the condum?I suspect an agenda


I would say from your standpoint that would be a very valid assumption.

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Wed 05/14/14 03:31 PM


curious anyone here pass the Bar Exam?....all raise their hands....

"looks around" yep thought so....

I understand the intent you are trying to get across, but if lack of objection is acceptance.....

Then why are men charged with rape when a woman is to passed out drunk....she didn't object so should it be assumed that because she didn't object that she accepted what was going to happen?

Same with rapist who use chloroform....I could just see the defense

"She didn't object your honor....and in my book that is acceptance"laugh


You would never understand the concept or you wouldn't even try to imply they are anywhere near the same. It just demonstrates the total lack of knowledge of the entire concept of law, natural or otherwise.

And your understanding of the BAR and the BAR exam is but the utter disregard for any concept of knowledge. For knowledge is based on the acceptance of truth not the ignorance of ignoring truth's existence.

The theory that you are purporting is the concept of the entitlement crown. The refusal to accept any knowledge of moral being other than the strict animal instincts supported by the limbic or middle brain. that in and of itself wouldn't be a totally bad thing except for the tendency of man to engage the left neo cortex and commit acts of aggression. In other words a psychopathic statist progressive liberal or neo conservative. All police and law enforcement officers fall into this category, where did the peace officers go?



So my question to you is then this:

Is lack of objection acceptance? Yes/No

Lie detector tests don't allow for long-winded explanations so someone can conveniently twist something into something they see as a "truth" and "truth" is in quotations for a reason.

Simple yes/no questions....or are those too difficult of a concept to grasp?

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Wed 05/14/14 06:13 PM

So my question to you is then this:

Is lack of objection acceptance? Yes/No

Lie detector tests don't allow for long-winded explanations so someone can conveniently twist something into something they see as a "truth" and "truth" is in quotations for a reason.

Simple yes/no questions....or are those too difficult of a concept to grasp?


The simple answer, by your statement you have confirmed that you haven't a clue. So this would be an objection to your implied stipulation to a concept that seems too difficult for you to grasp, again by your admission.

And using a biotech machine some deem to be a lie detector isn't really a test and it isn't capable of determining truth nor a lie. It just determines a change in one's body rhythms and someone's interpretation of those rhythms.

So now by my refusal to fall into this little idiotic trap, then you will try and make some determination of which you would be ill equipped much less qualified to make. So you may play your childish little games but I will not fall for childish pranks.

But when you discover which concept and area of law, and there are more than one, that the acceptance without objection applies, then come on back, otherwise play your childish pranks elsewhere.

I am looking forward to your next childish outburst as I doubt you are ready to quit. This should be interesting. I enjoy messing with limbic with slight (very slight) left brain centric beings.

Oh, and simple answers are for those incapable of expressing full thoughts, a problem I don't seem to have as you have noticed.


I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant.
- Henry Louis Mencken

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Wed 05/14/14 07:06 PM



curious anyone here pass the Bar Exam?....all raise their hands....

"looks around" yep thought so....

I understand the intent you are trying to get across, but if lack of objection is acceptance.....

Then why are men charged with rape when a woman is to passed out drunk....she didn't object so should it be assumed that because she didn't object that she accepted what was going to happen?

Same with rapist who use chloroform....I could just see the defense

"She didn't object your honor....and in my book that is acceptance"laugh


You would never understand the concept or you wouldn't even try to imply they are anywhere near the same. It just demonstrates the total lack of knowledge of the entire concept of law, natural or otherwise.

And your understanding of the BAR and the BAR exam is but the utter disregard for any concept of knowledge. For knowledge is based on the acceptance of truth not the ignorance of ignoring truth's existence.

The theory that you are purporting is the concept of the entitlement crown. The refusal to accept any knowledge of moral being other than the strict animal instincts supported by the limbic or middle brain. that in and of itself wouldn't be a totally bad thing except for the tendency of man to engage the left neo cortex and commit acts of aggression. In other words a psychopathic statist progressive liberal or neo conservative. All police and law enforcement officers fall into this category, where did the peace officers go?



So my question to you is then this:

Is lack of objection acceptance? Yes/No

Lie detector tests don't allow for long-winded explanations so someone can conveniently twist something into something they see as a "truth" and "truth" is in quotations for a reason.

Simple yes/no questions....or are those too difficult of a concept to grasp?



good luck with that...lol

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Wed 05/14/14 07:12 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 05/14/14 07:16 PM
Natural law is the truth and is immutable, no matter just how hard one tries to ignore it truth.


natural law doesn't type in these forums so we must just bow down to the 'truth' of our fellow mingle in how he/she wishes to apply it


the 'lack of objection is acceptance' , um, 'axiom law',,,, when applied here in a forum where so many topics exist and so many choices to participate or not would demand people be choosing to carry on with topics indefinitely until one 'accepted' by not choosing to respond anymore, was certainly an irrelevant tangent set up on to display what superior education and knowledge one assumes themselves to have,

so now , rather than burdening anyone with giving simple and RELEVANT answers and responses,

lets be tasked with figuring out the abstract circumstances where the 'lack of objection means acceptance' does apply,,,,,,isn't this game fun?

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Thu 05/15/14 12:30 PM


So my question to you is then this:

Is lack of objection acceptance? Yes/No

Lie detector tests don't allow for long-winded explanations so someone can conveniently twist something into something they see as a "truth" and "truth" is in quotations for a reason.

Simple yes/no questions....or are those too difficult of a concept to grasp?


The simple answer, by your statement you have confirmed that you haven't a clue. So this would be an objection to your implied stipulation to a concept that seems too difficult for you to grasp, again by your admission.

And using a biotech machine some deem to be a lie detector isn't really a test and it isn't capable of determining truth nor a lie. It just determines a change in one's body rhythms and someone's interpretation of those rhythms.

So now by my refusal to fall into this little idiotic trap, then you will try and make some determination of which you would be ill equipped much less qualified to make. So you may play your childish little games but I will not fall for childish pranks.

But when you discover which concept and area of law, and there are more than one, that the acceptance without objection applies, then come on back, otherwise play your childish pranks elsewhere.

I am looking forward to your next childish outburst as I doubt you are ready to quit. This should be interesting. I enjoy messing with limbic with slight (very slight) left brain centric beings.

Oh, and simple answers are for those incapable of expressing full thoughts, a problem I don't seem to have as you have noticed.


I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant.
- Henry Louis Mencken


So once again evading the question, calling it an 'idiotic trap' but evasion of question, can also be construed as not objecting, which by your logic means you accept my post in its entirety....

And then you go one to talk about left-brain, because you love research so much check out this article.


Popular culture would have you believe that logical, methodical and analytical people are left-brain dominant, while the creative and artistic types are right-brain dominant. Trouble is, science never really supported this notion.

Now, scientists at the University of Utah have debunked the myth with an analysis of more than 1,000 brains. They found no evidence that people preferentially use their left or right brain. All of the studyparticipants — and no doubt the scientists — were using their entire brain equally, throughout the course of the experiment.
http://www.livescience.com/39373-left-brain-right-brain-myth.html

So now I understand that people that believe that "left-brain" people are somehow superior.....well you should be able to figure it out.

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Thu 05/15/14 07:58 PM
Edited by alnewman on Thu 05/15/14 08:03 PM


The simple answer, by your statement you have confirmed that you haven't a clue. So this would be an objection to your implied stipulation to a concept that seems too difficult for you to grasp, again by your admission.


So once again evading the question, calling it an 'idiotic trap' but evasion of question, can also be construed as not objecting, which by your logic means you accept my post in its entirety....


So is it the big words or is that comprehension would be beyond grasp? So maybe making it bold would help or maybe you can ask for help. And to ask a yes/no question to something that can't be answered in that manner is idiotic and used in childish antics as a trap.


And then you go one to talk about left-brain, because you love research so much check out this article.


Oh, and that site is atrocious, I have never seen so many trackers and attacks on any one site before, 16 separate trackers and my firewall kept initiating blocks. I would advise that if one doesn't have a good firewall and tracking blockers that one avoid that link.

If you want to see the actual University of Utah: Researchers Debunk Myth of "Right-brain" and "Left-brain" Personality Traits

You don't really want to go there as neither you nor your little article author:

"As an astronomy writer, Wanjek worked at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland until 2007 and freelanced for astronomy magazines such Sky & Telescope and Astronomy. He currently is the "Armchair Astrophysics" columnist for the Astronomical Society of the Pacific's Mercury Magazine."

Yep, a comedy writer with a masters from Harvard on "Public Health", sort of like the Odumbocare of science.

So that would make it that neither you nor your little NASA, why do people that work for NASA have a problem with the truth?, jerk supposedly along with some unnamed scientists at the University of Utah debunked a myth that for a fact the little jerk understood but if you followed the links, the University research had very valid points on the operation of the brain, but they really haven't a clue as the conclusion by:

""Everyone should understand the personality types associated with the terminology 'left-brained' and 'right-brained' and how they relate to him or her personally; however, we just don't see patterns where the whole left-brain network is more connected or the whole right-brain network is more connected in some people. It may be that personality types have nothing to do with one hemisphere being more active, stronger, or more connected," said Nielsen. That is Jared Nielsen, a graduate student in neuroscience who carried out the study as part of his coursework."

But nowhere has this been published nor stood for peer review, so it's just the opinion of a grad student. But I guess he was so busy chasing neurons through that grey matter he forgot to attend his philosophy classes. Isn't public indoctrination so great, especially in the world of medicine. Next thing you know that are going to be claiming that cancer is caused because the body is low on radiation and chemo poisons.


Popular culture would have you believe that logical, methodical and analytical people are left-brain dominant, while the creative and artistic types are right-brain dominant. Trouble is, science never really supported this notion.


And that would be a totally false accusation. Science has always supported this notion going back many centuries and still does. This whole concept goes back many centuries like the Dao that dates to the 4th century BC. But that was long before the modern indoctrination systems turned the masses brains to mush and instilled predominant right brain idiots and left brain psychopaths. In mid-eastern ideology it is represented by the Seal of Solomon, the feminine vs the masculine, violence vs defense, facts vs feelings, each action has an opposing reaction. And I find it amusing that you name the philosophy (a left brain trait) but then reject it's existence which ends with right brain dominance. Explains the ideology translation into a stark Odumbo supporter, progressive liberal.


So now I understand that people that believe that "left-brain" people are somehow superior.....well you should be able to figure it out.


And I don't know where you got that concept, as that is not true at all. Left brain dominant supposes one set of traits, while right brain dominance instills the opposite. Looking at one negative negative would be master/slave, left/right. But it goes much deeper than that and in Taoism the art is to achieve balance.

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Thu 05/15/14 08:17 PM

Natural law is the truth and is immutable, no matter just how hard one tries to ignore it truth.

natural law doesn't type in these forums so we must just bow down to the 'truth' of our fellow mingle in how he/she wishes to apply it

the 'lack of objection is acceptance' , um, 'axiom law',,,, when applied here in a forum where so many topics exist and so many choices to participate or not would demand people be choosing to carry on with topics indefinitely until one 'accepted' by not choosing to respond anymore, was certainly an irrelevant tangent set up on to display what superior education and knowledge one assumes themselves to have,

so now , rather than burdening anyone with giving simple and RELEVANT answers and responses,

lets be tasked with figuring out the abstract circumstances where the 'lack of objection means acceptance' does apply,,,,,,isn't this game fun?


Is this gibberish supposed to mean something? Is that is if natural law is immutable and just ignoring the truth supposed to mean? You can ignore if you please but the consequences are severe. And the next statement is even worse, is it that you have some type of objection to having no understanding of something but feel an objection is in order. To be an objection one must state clearly just what is being objected to.

But yes, lack of objection is acceptance. This is a world of choices and there are many to make. One can choose to ignore something and hope it goes away, most do and then cry victim when that choice bites them squarely on the ole butt, because that ignorance (choosing to ignore) sometimes has consequences, and in the legal world those consequences can be very severe as not objecting means acceptance. Or one can chose to object and to make things very clear in the objection, but then the entitlement crowd has a problem with that, they prefer not to be clear on anything that would instill responsibility. A real mystery how that works, isn't it?

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Thu 05/15/14 11:19 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 05/15/14 11:23 PM
'So I take it that except for the areas of that stern rebuttal, there is acceptance of the presentment, from the law axiom, lack of objection is acceptance.'


Is lack of objection acceptance? Yes/No



'And to ask a yes/no question to something that can't be answered in that manner is idiotic and used in childish antics as a trap. '


'But yes, lack of objection is acceptance'



laugh laugh laugh laugh


ever known people that just argue to impress themselves,, for arguments sake?,,,,yeah,, kind of like that,,,

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Thu 05/15/14 11:27 PM


Natural law is the truth and is immutable, no matter just how hard one tries to ignore it truth.

natural law doesn't type in these forums so we must just bow down to the 'truth' of our fellow mingle in how he/she wishes to apply it

the 'lack of objection is acceptance' , um, 'axiom law',,,, when applied here in a forum where so many topics exist and so many choices to participate or not would demand people be choosing to carry on with topics indefinitely until one 'accepted' by not choosing to respond anymore, was certainly an irrelevant tangent set up on to display what superior education and knowledge one assumes themselves to have,

so now , rather than burdening anyone with giving simple and RELEVANT answers and responses,

lets be tasked with figuring out the abstract circumstances where the 'lack of objection means acceptance' does apply,,,,,,isn't this game fun?


Is this gibberish supposed to mean something? Is that is if natural law is immutable and just ignoring the truth supposed to mean? You can ignore if you please but the consequences are severe. And the next statement is even worse, is it that you have some type of objection to having no understanding of something but feel an objection is in order. To be an objection one must state clearly just what is being objected to.

But yes, lack of objection is acceptance. This is a world of choices and there are many to make. One can choose to ignore something and hope it goes away, most do and then cry victim when that choice bites them squarely on the ole butt, because that ignorance (choosing to ignore) sometimes has consequences, and in the legal world those consequences can be very severe as not objecting means acceptance. Or one can chose to object and to make things very clear in the objection, but then the entitlement crowd has a problem with that, they prefer not to be clear on anything that would instill responsibility. A real mystery how that works, isn't it?


sometimes it has consequences, this isn't one of those times,,,laugh laugh laugh

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Fri 05/16/14 12:57 PM
Edited by isaac_dede on Fri 05/16/14 12:58 PM
I personally just like toying with people that think themselves smarter than those around them. Especially ones, who have never been formally educated, and look down on formal education like they are somehow above it. When in truth they probably couldn't pass a college entrance exam.

I also wonder why those sitting at home on Social Security, most likely disability don't consider that to be part of the 'entitlement crowd'

But it's free entertainment for me

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Fri 05/16/14 01:00 PM

So the mom put a pinhole in the condum?I suspect an agenda



I noticed that too...

msharmony's photo
Fri 05/16/14 01:51 PM
dagnabut,,,!

being inexperienced with condoms,,TB will have to contact me offline to explain that one,,,lol

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Fri 05/16/14 06:53 PM

'So I take it that except for the areas of that stern rebuttal, there is acceptance of the presentment, from the law axiom, lack of objection is acceptance.'


Is lack of objection acceptance? Yes/No



'And to ask a yes/no question to something that can't be answered in that manner is idiotic and used in childish antics as a trap. '


'But yes, lack of objection is acceptance'



laugh laugh laugh laugh


ever known people that just argue to impress themselves,, for arguments sake?,,,,yeah,, kind of like that,,,


Go in circles much, of course, spinning and spinning until you fall down laughing. A trait so inherent in the preadolescence that normally abates as a person transcends into adolescence. But then there are those that never make a complete transition and remain in a state incapable of the acceptance of responsibility, forever dependent on others, the entitlement being.

One that consistently refuses to acknowledge, the act of knowing, the truth and instead clings to a feeling of comfort and conforms truth to fit a misguided perception.

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Fri 05/16/14 06:55 PM
The OP of this thread has nothing to do with liberalism, but it sure is funny. laugh

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Fri 05/16/14 08:41 PM

I personally just like toying with people that think themselves smarter than those around them. Especially ones, who have never been formally educated, and look down on formal education like they are somehow above it. When in truth they probably couldn't pass a college entrance exam.

I also wonder why those sitting at home on Social Security, most likely disability don't consider that to be part of the 'entitlement crowd'

But it's free entertainment for me


While it is easy to grant your adherence to the formal indoctrination system by the very demeanor of your writings. However, you have yet to understand even a rudimentary understanding of education, much less how to achieve it.

And the idea of toying, a remarkable concept considering your little game. It resembles one played in elementary school by a bully that thinks they have some magical question with some magical answer. But the question is asked to be answered, just to instill some silly little dominance game. But I have always chosen to just not play and then watch the idiot strut around like the prize rooster little realizing it is about to be a capon.

But as far as college entrance exams, I did very well especially in math, maybe that was why I was an engineer, electronics to be specific. But college, not at first, my parents couldn't afford two so I made my own way and let my sister have her dream, medicine. I just tested and received a full time job as an apprentice to go to electronics school. And I did go to college also, just long enough to realize that to remain there would be to dumb down and be indoctrinated, I never conform to crap. I am fully capable of being responsible for myself. A trait you would never comprehend must less understand.

But unlike yourself, I discovered education in my early twenty's and was lucky to make the acquaintance of an Oxford educated PhD that acted as my early mentor and the world has been my oyster. My pleasure has been to lead large teams of developers, computer science specialist majors, many with Masters and PhDs. So pretend you are educated, I know where I stand, you have yet to figure it out. Doubt you ever will.

And your last little snide statement, yes I am retired, have been since I sold off my last business in 2011. Yes last, I had multiple businesses and started closing, consolidating and selling them off starting in 2005. Why, because of the massive market indicators that did not bode well. So now I have no need to work, I am very comfortable and will stay that way, even from the coming train wreck. I still do consulting here and there, but even that I have shut down. Now all I have is the law for my entertainment.

So pretend you know what you don't, because irregardless, I know better. Pretend you are king of the hill, I know different. Through life I have met you many times, different names, different nationalities, different physical attributes, but still you. So if you think I really care what you think or do, you would be very mistaken.

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Sat 05/17/14 01:28 AM

The OP of this thread has nothing to do with liberalism, but it sure is funny. laugh


Im not proud that we and our media have to give something as broad as stupidity a political label

but it does make for amusing fodder


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Sat 05/17/14 03:28 AM


I personally just like toying with people that think themselves smarter than those around them. Especially ones, who have never been formally educated, and look down on formal education like they are somehow above it. When in truth they probably couldn't pass a college entrance exam.

I also wonder why those sitting at home on Social Security, most likely disability don't consider that to be part of the 'entitlement crowd'

But it's free entertainment for me


While it is easy to grant your adherence to the formal indoctrination system by the very demeanor of your writings. However, you have yet to understand even a rudimentary understanding of education, much less how to achieve it.

And the idea of toying, a remarkable concept considering your little game. It resembles one played in elementary school by a bully that thinks they have some magical question with some magical answer. But the question is asked to be answered, just to instill some silly little dominance game. But I have always chosen to just not play and then watch the idiot strut around like the prize rooster little realizing it is about to be a capon.

But as far as college entrance exams, I did very well especially in math, maybe that was why I was an engineer, electronics to be specific. But college, not at first, my parents couldn't afford two so I made my own way and let my sister have her dream, medicine. I just tested and received a full time job as an apprentice to go to electronics school. And I did go to college also, just long enough to realize that to remain there would be to dumb down and be indoctrinated, I never conform to crap. I am fully capable of being responsible for myself. A trait you would never comprehend must less understand.

But unlike yourself, I discovered education in my early twenty's and was lucky to make the acquaintance of an Oxford educated PhD that acted as my early mentor and the world has been my oyster. My pleasure has been to lead large teams of developers, computer science specialist majors, many with Masters and PhDs. So pretend you are educated, I know where I stand, you have yet to figure it out. Doubt you ever will.

And your last little snide statement, yes I am retired, have been since I sold off my last business in 2011. Yes last, I had multiple businesses and started closing, consolidating and selling them off starting in 2005. Why, because of the massive market indicators that did not bode well. So now I have no need to work, I am very comfortable and will stay that way, even from the coming train wreck. I still do consulting here and there, but even that I have shut down. Now all I have is the law for my entertainment.

So pretend you know what you don't, because irregardless, I know better. Pretend you are king of the hill, I know different. Through life I have met you many times, different names, different nationalities, different physical attributes, but still you. So if you think I really care what you think or do, you would be very mistaken.

Regardless would have sufficed!laugh