Topic: Another WACO/Ruby Ridge occuring in Nevada
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Sat 04/12/14 01:46 PM
Now the FAA is put in place a no fly zone.
http://rt.com/usa/bundy-ranch-nevada-tensions-940/

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Sat 04/12/14 01:59 PM
from CNN:

Citing public safety concerns, U.S. officials put an early end Saturday to a weeklong roundup of a Nevada rancher's illegally grazing cattle on federal land, which became an Old West-style controversy drawing armed militia groups to the cattleman's side.

"Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public," said Neil Kornze, director of the U.S. Bureau of Land Management...

... "After one week, we have made progress in enforcing two recent court orders to remove the trespass cattle from public lands that belong to all Americans," Kornze said.

He was referring to how two different federal judges ordered the removal of Bundy's cattle, which has been illegally grazing on federal land for 20 years.

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Sat 04/12/14 02:36 PM


BLM fracking racket exposed! Armed siege and cattle theft from Bundy ranch really about fracking leases

BLM collects $1.27 million in shale fracking leases!


(NaturalNews) The Bureau of Land Management says its 200-man armed siege of the Cliven Bundy ranch in Nevada is all about protecting an "endangered tortoise." But a Natural News investigation has found that BLM is actually in the business of raking in millions of dollars by leasing Nevada lands to energy companies that engage in fracking operations.

This document from the Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology(1) shows significant exploratory drilling being conducted in precisely the same area where the Bundy family has been running cattle since the 1870's. The "Gold Butte" area is indicated on the lower right corner of the document, and it clearly shows numerous exploratory drilling operations have been conducted there.

http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_blm_lies_fracking_leases_bundy_ranch.html#

This would explain the inactions of the Sheriff and Governor! I wonder how fully their pockets were lined at the expense of the 63 ranches, and ranchers lives and families, they have destroyed.....Clive Bundy being the last of the 64 (original) large ranchers still standing.

Taxpayers are on the hook for over $3 MILLION so far in the illegal cattle roundup alone on the Bundy ranch, not to mention the mobilization of over 200 armed federal agents, maintaining their stay, and the resources needed to clear the way for these corporations to make billions in oil profits......greasing the wheels of govt and lining the pockets of politicians like Reid who make it all possible!


Sorry didn't catch this earlier, but this source is a crock. He is referring tot the oil leases up in Wells, at the northern end of he state which has been ongoing for many years. by looking at the national survey maps, southern Neveda is on the southern extremes of the estimated reserves, not a good investment compared to central and northern Neveda.

And where he shows supposed drilling is no where near the Bundy ranch.

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Sat 04/12/14 02:44 PM



I love how this happens right has Congress votes to hold Obama's IRS Criminal Mc. Lerner in contempt of Congress and are going to have an up and down voted to have her put in jail until the next congress is seated in 2015.

I hope they do, they have the votes!

are you going to holder your Breath?
I think all of them have so many Skeletons in the Closet,they will only move if their lives depend on it!


They are already drafting the bill and have confirmed the votes to pass it.


They draft all they want. Can even pass it, but it has to go to the president for signature. If he vetoes, then needs super majority to pass. But just for jokes, let's say that they have the super majority, just who is going to execute it? Wouldn't that be Holder? And I'm sure he would want to set that precedent.

Let's see, to arrest one's self, do the cuffs go on before or after you show up at the detention center?

Wow, what will Repugentcants come up with next, repeal Odumbocare?

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Sat 04/12/14 03:22 PM


Breaking news, it's actually about Harry Reid and his son fronting for a Chinese company to get land for a solar farm and manufacturing facility. His former aide, which is now head of BLM is being used as the government guns because Bundy refuses to give up.

My,oh my, this is getting interesting. Actual treason by Reid and son. Will there be hangings? That guillotine is still for sale in France, starting bid $60,000.


That is not what it's about. As a local Nevadan the Government has been Federalizing the land in Southern Nevada for years because of Groom Lake (Area 51) and the Tonopah Test Range where they need privacy for testing new and improved technologies, that is why Nevada has more Federal land then any other state in the US and it is all in Southern Nevada.


And this would be another statement backed by what? Of course this ongoing dilemma has no bearing whatsoever no the matter does it?

Harry Reid Bolsters Son’s Interests in Chinese Solar Plant Deal dated September 2012.

U.S. Senator Reid, son combine for China firm's desert plant


Now, questions surrounding family ties are flaring again in Nevada around the Senate majority leader. He and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert.

Reid has been one of the project's most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada. His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.


But here is the ultimate, somebody actually archiving government documents just in case they disappear.

Ranch Riot!! Bundy Ranch Protesters Tasered by Federal Agents and Attacked by K9's




Examples of Recent Incidents of Private Property Damage Caused by Bundy's Trespass Cattle

One feral cow was hit by an automobile within Lake Mead National Recreation Area. Cattle are frequently seen on public roads, including State Route 170 and pose a danger to vehicles and to members of the public traveling on public roads.
Overton Wildlife Refuge (State of Nevada) employee attacked by a Bundy bull.
Crop destroyed by Bundy cattle on private land.
Mesquite Heritage Community Garden damaged by trespass cattle.
Mesquite golf course damaged by trespass cattle.

Examples of Restoration Funding and Viability Impacted

A $400,000 matching grant to restore Southwest Willow Flycatcher habitat along the Virgin River from the Walton Family Foundation was withdrawn until the trespass cattle have been removed.
A $160,000 Southern Nevada Public Land Management Act project to restore Southwestern Willow Flycatcher has been delayed until trespass cattle are removed.
Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.
The Nevada State Department of Wildlife has built extensive fences to protect state and federal lands protected as the Overton Wildlife Refuge from the trespass cattle.

Examples of Public Concerns

Residents of the communities of Bunkerville and Mesquite have complained about the impact of cattle on city facilities.
Within the last month, letters requesting action have also been received from several individuals, Friends of Nevada Wilderness, Friends of Gold Butte and Friends of Joshua Tree Forest.
The Center for Biological Diversity has demanded action to resolve trespass in designated critical desert tortoise habitat in several letters.
Western Watersheds has requested a verbal status update and later filed a Freedom of Information Act request.

Examples of Natural and Cultural Resource Damage

Cattle have crushed artifacts at the "Red Racer" and St. Thomas cultural sites.
Damage to springs, including fecal contamination, trampling soils and vegetation and impacts to wildlife. Wildlife will avoid springs with large numbers of cattle.
Damage to springs with sensitive amphibians, including the rare relict leopard frog.
Multiple instances of vegetation damage to rare plants, including on monitoring plots after extensive wildfires within critical habitat for Desert Tortoise.
Unauthorized reservoir constructed with bulldozer twice.

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Sat 04/12/14 03:33 PM

Bundy's wrong, it's Federal Land and he believes because he is a Mormon and his ancestors have been on that land for over 100 years.


And just what would you base this remarkable bit of wisdom? Let's start with Mormon, what does that have to do with it? That has not been an issue on one side or the other during this whole affair so just how does it figure now.

And just how is it federal land. Where is the authority? And just how is it Bundy's, by right and none other. A common law right between Bundy and the state, yes the state.

The federal stole a lot of land starting in 1909, but they own none of it, it belongs to the state or the people by the constitution. But why does one need to know anything about the constitution, they're indoctrinated to just follow orders and do so very effectively.

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Sat 04/12/14 03:39 PM



The fear is the protesters are carrying concealed weapons. Everyone in Nevada carries, we are an open carry state, with one of the highest number of concealed carry permits in the country.


Did you even bother to watch the video, no. Otherwise how could you have made that statement. Perhaps people being tasered would have given a clue. Or maybe, just perhaps the intimidation by the dogs would have been a clue.

God help us from the.....

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Sat 04/12/14 03:58 PM


.... illegally grazing on federal land for 20 years.



And just how do you justify this little gem imbedded in your illustrious quote?

You know just sitting here reading and responding to all the idiotic remarks made by the government and so easily accepted by people that haven't a clue about that little document called the constitution.

It's not like you have to read and memorize immense volumes of codes like the statutory laws, just a short 4400 little words, but most have never bothered reading them , much less understanding them.

But then they fill entitled to make some obscene judgement based on god know what about the veracity of the intentions.

And we wonder how matter have gotten into such a sorry state. All I have to say is thank god for people like Bundy and his family and all those that stand with him on this matter. Now that the government has bowed, I hope they continue because if not, it will come back again. It is time to resolve this matter once and for all. Start with BLM and continue right on through the alphabet soup until all is done. It is the people within these alphabet organizations that just duck and are never accountable only to return again and again.


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Sat 04/12/14 04:47 PM


Bundy's wrong, it's Federal Land and he believes because he is a Mormon and his ancestors have been on that land for over 100 years.


And just what would you base this remarkable bit of wisdom? Let's start with Mormon, what does that have to do with it? That has not been an issue on one side or the other during this whole affair so just how does it figure now.

And just how is it federal land. Where is the authority? And just how is it Bundy's, by right and none other. A common law right between Bundy and the state, yes the state.

The federal stole a lot of land starting in 1909, but they own none of it, it belongs to the state or the people by the constitution. But why does one need to know anything about the constitution, they're indoctrinated to just follow orders and do so very effectively.


The Nevada territory was federal land since it was purchased by the federal government from mexico.

2 million acres of this land was given to the state of Nevada for private use upon their entrance into the United States.

What was not part of this 2 million acres has always been publicly owned federal land.

So again, you are simply clueless and spout off a bunch of nonsensical garbage about authority issues.

From the Nevada State Constitution:

That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; and that lands belonging to citizens of the United States, residing without the said state, shall never be taxed higher than the land belonging to the residents thereof; and that no taxes shall be imposed by said state on lands or property therein belonging to, or which may hereafter be purchased by, the United States, unless otherwise provided by the congress of the United States.

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/const/nvconst.html


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Sat 04/12/14 05:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA

Video of BLM wanna be cops tasering people, sicking a dog on a pregnant woman and throwing a 57 year old woman and a cancer patient to the ground. The crowd goes nuts and the wannabe cops got in their vehicles and ran like hell.

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Sat 04/12/14 05:10 PM


Is the Bundy Ranch situation the first test of military against citizens? BIG GOVERNMENT IS DANGEROUS!!!!!

Charlie Daniels (@CharlieDaniels) April 11, 2014




Not really, they ran away like cowards and the BLM has pulled the Agents off and will handle it in the courts. The Militia's claim it's because they got involved but they pose no threat because the next step is other Federal Agencies would be there with more advanced weaponry and vehicles then any Militia has.

This has been national news all week, taking up airtime, that is why I believe this was ordered by the Obama Administration. In the course of this week the Obamacare ringleader stepped down showing more proof of what a disaster that Obamacare is. This took the media attention away from that.

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Sat 04/12/14 05:14 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Sat 04/12/14 05:15 PM

Now the FAA is put in place a no fly zone.
http://rt.com/usa/bundy-ranch-nevada-tensions-940/


That's pretty common in a situation like this, reason being that a News Chopper (with Geraldo Rivera in it) flied over the Ruby Ridge incident and was shot at by Weaver.

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Sat 04/12/14 05:19 PM




I love how this happens right has Congress votes to hold Obama's IRS Criminal Mc. Lerner in contempt of Congress and are going to have an up and down voted to have her put in jail until the next congress is seated in 2015.

I hope they do, they have the votes!

are you going to holder your Breath?
I think all of them have so many Skeletons in the Closet,they will only move if their lives depend on it!


They are already drafting the bill and have confirmed the votes to pass it.


They draft all they want. Can even pass it, but it has to go to the president for signature. If he vetoes, then needs super majority to pass. But just for jokes, let's say that they have the super majority, just who is going to execute it? Wouldn't that be Holder? And I'm sure he would want to set that precedent.

Let's see, to arrest one's self, do the cuffs go on before or after you show up at the detention center?

Wow, what will Repugentcants come up with next, repeal Odumbocare?


I wrote that down wrong, it's not a bill, it's a vote for all Congress to hold her in contempt of Congress. Doesn't need to goto the Senate or President.

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Sat 04/12/14 05:26 PM




The fear is the protesters are carrying concealed weapons. Everyone in Nevada carries, we are an open carry state, with one of the highest number of concealed carry permits in the country.


Did you even bother to watch the video, no. Otherwise how could you have made that statement. Perhaps people being tasered would have given a clue. Or maybe, just perhaps the intimidation by the dogs would have been a clue.

God help us from the.....


Yes I did and I posted it. BOTH sides are in the wrong. The protesters were blocking Federal Agents from enforcing a court order by blocking traffic and jumping on cars. The BLM was out of line for throwing a woman to the ground, if they had cause to do that they should have cuffed her and took her to jail, they shouldn't have sicked a dog on the pregnant lady, but she shouldn't have ran up on them and I saw no need for someone to get dropped with a Taser unless he ran up on the police officer which I highly doubt, from what I read it was Bundy's son trying to get back on to his property.

I am in total disagreement with the government on this one but honestly that was not a peaceful protest, far from it.

The threat wasn't from the video, the threat are the heavily armed Militia members who were just showing up and on the way, the sign in was clearly in the video in one of the tents.

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Sat 04/12/14 05:46 PM



BLM fracking racket exposed! Armed siege and cattle theft from Bundy ranch really about fracking leases

BLM collects $1.27 million in shale fracking leases!


(NaturalNews) The Bureau of Land Management says its 200-man armed siege of the Cliven Bundy ranch in Nevada is all about protecting an "endangered tortoise." But a Natural News investigation has found that BLM is actually in the business of raking in millions of dollars by leasing Nevada lands to energy companies that engage in fracking operations.

This document from the Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology(1) shows significant exploratory drilling being conducted in precisely the same area where the Bundy family has been running cattle since the 1870's. The "Gold Butte" area is indicated on the lower right corner of the document, and it clearly shows numerous exploratory drilling operations have been conducted there.

http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_blm_lies_fracking_leases_bundy_ranch.html#

This would explain the inactions of the Sheriff and Governor! I wonder how fully their pockets were lined at the expense of the 63 ranches, and ranchers lives and families, they have destroyed.....Clive Bundy being the last of the 64 (original) large ranchers still standing.

Taxpayers are on the hook for over $3 MILLION so far in the illegal cattle roundup alone on the Bundy ranch, not to mention the mobilization of over 200 armed federal agents, maintaining their stay, and the resources needed to clear the way for these corporations to make billions in oil profits......greasing the wheels of govt and lining the pockets of politicians like Reid who make it all possible!


Sorry didn't catch this earlier, but this source is a crock. He is referring tot the oil leases up in Wells, at the northern end of he state which has been ongoing for many years. by looking at the national survey maps, southern Neveda is on the southern extremes of the estimated reserves, not a good investment compared to central and northern Neveda.

And where he shows supposed drilling is no where near the Bundy ranch.


thanks, makes sense...well a little anyway lol

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Sat 04/12/14 05:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA

Video of BLM wanna be cops tasering people, sicking a dog on a pregnant woman and throwing a 57 year old woman and a cancer patient to the ground. The crowd goes nuts and the wannabe cops got in their vehicles and ran like hell.


I don;t watch links posted in chat sites like this but one comment is that BLM is not wannabees

make no mistake, they the real thing. cops, period.

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Sat 04/12/14 06:35 PM
OK, let's see if I understand what has been happening.

First, this brouhaha started when a Nevada rancher decided that he was exempt from federal law because of what his Mormon ancestors did.

(Yes, the rancher is the one who brought up the subject of his Mormon ancestry.)

Then the same rancher defied two judicial orders made by two federal judges.

Plus, he made some kind of verbal threat against any government agent who might try to enforce those judicial orders.

Thus, when federal agents started enforcing those judicial orders, they came armed.

In response, people with anti-government paranoia grabbed their firearms and went to aid the rancher.

The Bureau of Land Management recognized that such an emotionally-charged situation could provoke a violent outcome. So, the BLM halted its effort to round-up the cattle that was illegally grazing on federal property. The BLM also released the rounded-up cattle to the rancher.

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Sun 04/13/14 01:56 AM




The fear is the protesters are carrying concealed weapons. Everyone in Nevada carries, we are an open carry state, with one of the highest number of concealed carry permits in the country.


Did you even bother to watch the video, no. Otherwise how could you have made that statement. Perhaps people being tasered would have given a clue. Or maybe, just perhaps the intimidation by the dogs would have been a clue.

God help us from the.....


The standoff at the ranch became increasingly tense the longer it lasted, prompting elected officials in several states to weigh in, militia members to mobilize and federal land managers to reshape elements of the operation. The Las Vegas Sun reported that some protesters were carrying handguns and rifles, but there were no reports of shots fired or injuries.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/13/federal-agency-pulls-back-in-nevada-ranch-standoff-but-legal-fight-remains/?intcmp=latestnews

That was before the Militias became involved BTW.

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Sun 04/13/14 02:00 AM
Edited by Lpdon on Sun 04/13/14 02:03 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA

Video of BLM wanna be cops tasering people, sicking a dog on a pregnant woman and throwing a 57 year old woman and a cancer patient to the ground. The crowd goes nuts and the wannabe cops got in their vehicles and ran like hell.


I don;t watch links posted in chat sites like this but one comment is that BLM is not wannabees

make no mistake, they the real thing. cops, period.


They are deputized security guards. They issue citations to people who hunt out of season or didn't pay their camping fees. There is a reason they are doing that job and not real cops. Most Cops have no respect for them and that video is the reason why. That is the most action any of those Keystone Cops and wannabe bad a$$e$ will ever see in their ENTIRE career.

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Sun 04/13/14 02:02 AM

OK, let's see if I understand what has been happening.

First, this brouhaha started when a Nevada rancher decided that he was exempt from federal law because of what his Mormon ancestors did.

(Yes, the rancher is the one who brought up the subject of his Mormon ancestry.)

Then the same rancher defied two judicial orders made by two federal judges.

Plus, he made some kind of verbal threat against any government agent who might try to enforce those judicial orders.

Thus, when federal agents started enforcing those judicial orders, they came armed.

In response, people with anti-government paranoia grabbed their firearms and went to aid the rancher.

The Bureau of Land Management recognized that such an emotionally-charged situation could provoke a violent outcome. So, the BLM halted its effort to round-up the cattle that was illegally grazing on federal property. The BLM also released the rounded-up cattle to the rancher.


Basically.