Topic: Return 'incentive' to work in welfare programs
willing2's photo
Fri 02/14/14 08:37 AM
Just ask.
Call the welfare office.
They will tell you, if you are receiving assistance, you have given them the right to demand bank statements, unannounced home inspections. They have the right to review your bills.
It's called an audit.

Taxpayers have a right to know they aren't being cheated.

I'd like to see more attempts at welfare making certain, along with drug testing, that those who are TRULY needy are helped and the scammers weeded out.


So ((((ALLEGEDLY)))) learned and isn't aware of the rules????laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

InvictusV's photo
Fri 02/14/14 09:33 AM





sounds good until for about 24 percent receiving assistance without kids


as for the rest

48.7% are children (cant work)
8% are elderly (already worked)
19.8 % are disabled (unable to work)
23.6 are well bodied without children (ABLE TO WORK)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bethhoffman/2013/09/23/who-receives-food-stamps-and-why-it-is-critical-to-continue-their-support/




the other program for FAMILIES with children already has a work requirement in Nevada, Im not sure how many other states have it


Let's say that those 24% receive 10% of the total spending on welfare.

That equals roughly $50 billion for FY 2014..






more like 20 billion though

spending on snap in 2013 was 80billion, and 24 percent of that is (roughly)

20 billion


total spending on all welfare programs for fiscal year 2014 will be $500 billion.


I understand, but I Was talking about snap specifically

other programs all have their own requirements

snap spending was 80 billion


I understand what you were doing.

I used 10% of the total because that group makes up almost a quarter of all recipients. Taking into account that not all the programs apply to them.


msharmony's photo
Fri 02/14/14 09:44 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 02/14/14 09:46 AM

Just ask.
Call the welfare office.
They will tell you, if you are receiving assistance, you have given them the right to demand bank statements, unannounced home inspections. They have the right to review your bills.
It's called an audit.

Taxpayers have a right to know they aren't being cheated.

I'd like to see more attempts at welfare making certain, along with drug testing, that those who are TRULY needy are helped and the scammers weeded out.


So ((((ALLEGEDLY)))) learned and isn't aware of the rules????laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh




its not called being 'learned',,,its called having been on assistance and having worked IN assistance

and not just watched from the sidelines because of how great and self sufficient I am while professing so much knowledge about the program,,,,,


in reality, it is only those living in government HOUSING that sign 'away' privacy in the sense that their home is not their own.

all the other people on all the other types of assistance do not sign any right to privacy away when it comes to their homestead

income verification is a process for the reason that the benefits are determined by the income and they cant just take peoples word on what that income is,,,

the ONLY times they need bank statements or bills is in determining the AMOUNT an applicant is eligible for when applying or renewing

these things have nothing to do with returning to slave status anymore than a credit check of gainfully employed when applying for loans or credit cards or purchasing homes is the same as returning to slave status

its a demeaning and silly comparison,,,

willing2's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:03 AM
BS, MH.
Suspected fraud reports are rarely investigated.

That ((((ALLEGED)))is very doubtful.

They have every right to examine every inch and movement a recipient makes.

So, go backpedal the BS to someone else.laugh


msharmony's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:08 AM
BS is as BS does

BS is the one who has ZERO experience in a system but continues to try to play like they do,,,:wink:

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:10 AM

BS is as BS does

BS is the one who has ZERO experience in a system but continues to try to play like they do,,,:wink:


So, if I am not a doctor but play one on TV, then ... Oh, never mind. :tongue:

msharmony's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:13 AM


BS is as BS does

BS is the one who has ZERO experience in a system but continues to try to play like they do,,,:wink:


So, if I am not a doctor but play one on TV, then ... Oh, never mind. :tongue:


lol

well ya know what, sometimes those shows will do actual RESEARCH so that their terminology is correct,,,and an actor may pick up some of it

but they still wont be a REAL DOCTOR,,:tongue:

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:21 AM



BS is as BS does

BS is the one who has ZERO experience in a system but continues to try to play like they do,,,:wink:


So, if I am not a doctor but play one on TV, then ... Oh, never mind. :tongue:


lol

well ya know what, sometimes those shows will do actual RESEARCH so that their terminology is correct,,,and an actor may pick up some of it

but they still wont be a REAL DOCTOR,,:tongue:


Some people here might not get my joke.
Of course, I was referring to an old commercial on American television, one that I always considered to be stupid.

msharmony's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:24 AM




BS is as BS does

BS is the one who has ZERO experience in a system but continues to try to play like they do,,,:wink:


So, if I am not a doctor but play one on TV, then ... Oh, never mind. :tongue:


lol

well ya know what, sometimes those shows will do actual RESEARCH so that their terminology is correct,,,and an actor may pick up some of it

but they still wont be a REAL DOCTOR,,:tongue:


Some people here might not get my joke.
Of course, I was referring to an old commercial on American television, one that I always considered to be stupid.


I remember the commercial

they still have to put disclaimers to this day that people are actors and not real customers/clients,,etc,,,

but I think that was one of the first where the ACTOR verbally made the disclaimer

willing2's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:29 AM

BS is as BS does

BS is the one who has ZERO experience in a system but continues to try to play like they do,,,:wink:

Mirror, mirror.
It's the internet.
Scammers can claim to be and have done all they wish.

Fact is, Welfare recipients are slaves of the system.

Word of advice.

Don't piss of yer neighbors.

Inspectors could come a'knockin'.laugh

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:31 AM





BS is as BS does

BS is the one who has ZERO experience in a system but continues to try to play like they do,,,:wink:


So, if I am not a doctor but play one on TV, then ... Oh, never mind. :tongue:


lol

well ya know what, sometimes those shows will do actual RESEARCH so that their terminology is correct,,,and an actor may pick up some of it

but they still wont be a REAL DOCTOR,,:tongue:


Some people here might not get my joke.
Of course, I was referring to an old commercial on American television, one that I always considered to be stupid.


I remember the commercial

they still have to put disclaimers to this day that people are actors and not real customers/clients,,etc,,,

but I think that was one of the first where the ACTOR verbally made the disclaimer


Yet, the actor wanted people to accept what he said because he played a doctor on TV, as if his pretending to be a doctor qualified him to give out medical advice.

msharmony's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:34 AM
what what

once again, only those in public housing have to have home inspections because they are living in a government provided HOME

others who are renting from private owners, have mortgages, etc,, have no such direct relation to the government to give them that same authority

and we get along fine with our neighbors, the only person doing an inspection would be the property owner, who gives notice before they will enter

I can mention a thousand times that I have been on assistance and WORKED In public housing and IM sure the nonsensical arguments about what is and isn't true,

coming from those who claim to have never had, needed, or to ever in the future NEED or accept such assistance

will continue,,,,

willing2's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:50 AM
Once again, more BS.

Social Services,AKA, Welfare can audit anyone who signs their contract.

Want I should whip it out and show you?:tongue:
That contract is really long and thick.


msharmony's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:51 AM
an audit is not the same as a home inspection

taxpayers get audited too,, their FINANCES,, not their homeslaugh

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 02/14/14 11:52 AM

Once again, more BS.

Social Services,AKA, Welfare can audit anyone who signs their contract.

Want I should whip it out and show you?:tongue:
That contract is really long and thick.


Well, you do have the burden of proving that what you say is correct. Otherwise, your argument will be perceived as consisting of a shortcoming.

willing2's photo
Fri 02/14/14 12:10 PM


Once again, more BS.

Social Services,AKA, Welfare can audit anyone who signs their contract.

Want I should whip it out and show you?:tongue:
That contract is really long and thick.


Well, you do have the burden of proving that what you say is correct. Otherwise, your argument will be perceived as consisting of a shortcoming.

U r so cute, Mr Doo-Doo.

I am the only one who is supposed to show proof.rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Slaves to the system sign their rights away. They feel they've been discriminated against or cut unfairly, there is always the Welfare appeals.

Social services does private home inspection.

They can use the guise of child welfare then, dive into every aspect of your lives.

Best to claim, like Vets have to, any and all extra income earned. Under the table or above board.

I make my hos fill out W-9s. Them biches pay they own taxes.


msharmony's photo
Fri 02/14/14 12:13 PM
child welfare can inspect any home with children where suspicion has been raised

what has that to do with the opinion that needing assistance should REQUIRE the applicant to give up any privacy ?

willing2's photo
Fri 02/14/14 12:19 PM
Edited by willing2 on Fri 02/14/14 12:20 PM

child welfare can inspect any home with children where suspicion has been raised

what has that to do with the opinion that needing assistance should REQUIRE the applicant to give up any privacy ?

It's not should. They do sign away rights.

Welfare asks for 6 months bank records or pay stubs. You don't send them or they question them, you will get a visit or, they cut your freebies.

Your paid bills are more than you claim to relieve as income, you get investigated.

You have adult wage earners in the home who are unreported, you could go to prison.

Give me an address and we'll see how many rights Welfare observes.

There are many report forms for just suspicion of fraud.

msharmony's photo
Fri 02/14/14 12:25 PM
there is no signing away of 'privacy'

its a contract for financial exchange which CALLS for financial openness

just like any loan or application for an item of monetary VALUE to be financed is,,,

If you don't provide the information, you don't get approved or renewed,, that's it

UNLESS you get audited, just like a taxpayer, in which case you can receive a visit for non cooperation

there is no difference in your 'rights',

signing any federal document with false information can land one in jail regardless of their taxpayer status too

these things are irrelevant to signing away privacy DUE to being on assistance,,,

willing2's photo
Fri 02/14/14 01:29 PM
So, all this time you be telling me it ain't so.

Little by little, you're reaffirming posts.
How fkn liberal.

Sometimes, I have to beat da truff outs Mah his.laugh