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I understand people complaining, I just don't get the inconsistent standard that makes a behavior so much worse when one president does it than when other presidents do it,, gripe over presidential vacations in general? fine..even though the nature of the job means they don't really get ANY vacations, they just get to change the scenery in which they handle their responbilities,, I think its dumb, because they have enormous responsibility and pressure for which I think I prefer they take more down time than I need from answering phones all day,,,lol but, if people see it as a major deal, that's their deal,, just be consistent about the complaint ,, about the action itself,, No other President had an Osprey deliver their dog to where they were vacationing or decided to fly to New York to see a play, or play golf as much as he does or take as many vacations as he does. You are just his blind cheerleader and everyone on this website know that. |
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So, when it comes to taking vacations, the current POTUS does what his predecessors did. Why should I object to that? I have never understood the purpose of trying to tear down a politician's character when one simply doesn't agree with that politician's policies. I have openly disagreed with President Obama's policies without having to resort to attacking his character. The former doesn't require the latter. Actually he take more vacations then ANY President in history and spends more time F'ing around then any President in history. He has played more golf while in office then ANY other President in history. |
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in this thread,, seems like ONE is singled out ,, not just because he is the present one either, because it is presented as a COMPETITION Against other presidents, not as a common factor amongst them,,,, i guess you forget that there is only one president at a time... why would we criticize a past president now? is bush in charge? is clinton making decisions now? he's a bad president and he should be called out on it, just like Bush was when he was in office... there is a difference from saying, BEtty is the worst liar ever, and betty is a liar, or betty lied the COMPETITION aspect is the inconsistent part of it that pretends or implies hat a SINGLE person is SUDDENLY doing things that are UNIQUELY Terrible that I why I put up the quote about Linocln,, similarly hated in his time, but still historically seen as a great man in a time of great and historical accomplishment and why I also put up the qote from the fictitious president stating that whats POPULAR Is not always whats right,, history remembers based upon people doing the right thing, not based upon how popular that thing was at the time,,, yea, just like bush will the the best prez ever... 
i don't see king barry doing anything right, and i think think the present and the future are more important than the past... if barry wants my respect, he can start doing away with the terrible programs bush started... like the patriot act for starters.. I don't see BUsh being the best or the worst,, most likely in the middle since the economy ended under him so much worse than where it began, and we ended up in more wars than when he began, it would be hard to be 'the best' but war nor recession are unique to his presidency , making it hard to be 'the worst' historians may learn more though,, who knows As far as Obama, as you said the present and the future matter and he still has three years worth of time to make more accomplishments or mistakes, but I see healthcare reform being a HUGE improvement as it evolves, and being in fewer wars at the end of his term than the beginning, and the economy being better, and bin laden and alqueda being takendown/weakened,,,,,make it unlikey history will rate Obama 'the worst' however, recovery from recession, and military wars/invasions/retreats are not so unique to a presidency that OBama would earn 'the best' (yet) historically speaking, his not so unique things may still be seen as more unique having done them with the laziest congress (most do nothing) in US history,,,, and the beginning of a new healthcare system may put him amongst the top,,,,like the beginning of civil rights, the ending of slavery, or the beginning of soc sec or medicare did for the presidents residing in those eras healthcare means nothing, just more money for us to spend...Nothing was proven that he did anything to bin laden, being a nice burial at sea and no body... and he's giving al quida weapons now, so your right, they're happy for now... and so much for a "more" transparent goverment, there is more spying and invasion of privacy more than ever now... and the only change i see is for the worse... opinions are opinions, but don't let any facts get in your way while forming them... wait are you implying the navy seals would actually take part in LYING? you don't deserve the freedoms our soldiers fight for ....lol just kidding well yeah,, people will believe whatever 'facts' they choose to,, if they haven't seen it for themselves, I guess any of those 'facts' can be argued to be just lies someone told...huh? believe them? they are all dead... they died on a helicopter crash about a month after it they "shot" OBL Thanks to Barry and Ponetta revealing who actually took Bin Laden Out. |
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I understand people complaining, I just don't get the inconsistent standard that makes a behavior so much worse when one president does it than when other presidents do it,, gripe over presidential vacations in general? fine..even though the nature of the job means they don't really get ANY vacations, they just get to change the scenery in which they handle their responbilities,, I think its dumb, because they have enormous responsibility and pressure for which I think I prefer they take more down time than I need from answering phones all day,,,lol but, if people see it as a major deal, that's their deal,, just be consistent about the complaint ,, about the action itself,, No other President had an Osprey deliver their dog to where they were vacationing or decided to fly to New York to see a play, or play golf as much as he does or take as many vacations as he does. You are just his blind cheerleader and everyone on this website know that. factoid: an invented fact believed to be true because it appears in print,,, when there are no numbers or data to back it up,, just make it up or repeat what someone else made up,,,, his thing is golf, so what? really? what are the numbers, how many 'vacations' has he taken? whats being counted as 'vacaton' (any time he has been on a plane?...lol) good grief,,,,IM no cheerleader, IM just not so dedicated to negativity and conspiracy as to seek out and make up such petty irrelevant silliness,,, |
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No POTUS in history ever thought it was acceptable to kill American citizens without due process.....until Obozo.... and he starts with a 17 year old boy and his friends at a BBQ. Using past presidents and their policies to measure the qualities of a present one is like comparing one deadly cancer to another. Since the beginning of media their money masters have decided long before any election what our "choices" will be, giving us our choice of cancers, but never a cure. You can't honestly look at the condition of the world today and believe money in politics and a corrupt 2 party system is actually working unless your head is buried in the sand or up another dark location of the human anatomy. 
it works , except for those who don't think it works the way they want it to I think that this time is no different than any other in its imperfections and its struggles,,,,,,they have always been a part of American history, just like they are a part of life its all a matter of perspective,, there are a million things that we can look at as individuals about life and what is 'better' or 'worse' we have ALWAYS Had things we needed to work on, but life has gone on through all of it, as it will now I don't see the end of the world urgency about things happening today, that others do,, I don't think its any WORSE now than it has been in the past in terms of survivability ,,,,,, I Just think, perhaps naturally, people are more likely to see something as urgent when it affects THEM personally, but , to me, nothing happening today is new, nothing happening today is unsurvivable,,, 'due process' is determined by the culture,,,, there is a whole thread here that magnifies how important 'due process' is supported by many,, once they decide someone is a criminal of some sort,, especially a political one That is the biggest crock of whale manure I have heard for an excuse of the manipulation of gov't by a corrupt elite bunch of bankers and corporations ruining our nation. With the help of their propaganda machine (which you seem to buy into), and the influence of money and privilege in politics, they have stolen the rights and power of the people. It didn't happen over night. So to say it is "no different", or a "natural progression", with no urgent need for worry, my question would be when do you worry, after it's too late? That's like a doctor telling you that you have cancer, but not worrying about it until you are terminal and dying. That's foolish and irresponsible, and simply shows ones stupidity. And due process.... is not determined by the culture, it's the law! But then you have said before you don't care much for the principals our nation was founded on, or the documents that don't give us our rights, but guarantee them to be unalienable by the corrupt body we call gov't. You defend Obozocare as the law stating it must be followed, but consider due process, one of our oldest "guaranteed" rights, as something that can be ignored or denied by our sitting wannabe king, along with our other rights, which are also protected under the law. You can't have it both ways, whether this POTUS, or you, think it might be fitting at the moment to your agenda. 
if due process is law, please supply the LEGAL DEFINITION Of what due process is,, legally speaking and Id love to know of the time in history of America when americans all had rights that weren't controlled by the 'elite' the founding fathers weren't peasant exactly, neither were the slaveowners,,,,there is a whole group of 'americans' who didn't have their 'equal' rights until merely fifty years ago (in my mothers lifetime) so, as I Said before, people see things as urgent when it affects tHEM,, many groups of people haven't known a time in the history of America when things were so perfectly equal and rights so innately respected to those groups of people, of which I am a descendant of, this time is no worse than any other that America or americans have pushed through,, With the signing of the Constitution the Bill of Rights was put in place to guarantee the rights and property of the individual. We were not "given" rights, we already had them, only guaranteed they could NOT be taken from us by those "elite" you think allow them to us. So get your head on straight. If you want to so easily give up your rights, fine, but thinking you know what's best for the rest of us is simply nothing short of egotistical IM not egotistical at all Im realistic and able to see things in context with my brain and not my emotions so we already hae rights,, great, all ideal and everything, but the reality is those NATURAL Rights went unacknowledged and unsupported for centuries in this country for a whole demographic of this country and the country pushed through it,,,thats the cycle of life America didn't end, and life didn't end, and those 'rights' didn't change,,,,,, I don't give up on my rights, I just realize they aren't as simplistic and natural or absolute as idealists wish to believe they are never have been, never will be,,,,, BS! Soldiers die defending those rights you wish to pi$$ away! You're about as American as Osama was! soldiers in American history have fought for those 'rights' to be amended,,,, soldiers in my family have fought to defend PEOPLE, which is what a patriot does and an American,,, the soldier card doesn't work with me,, true soldiers consider it their JOB and don't look for special citizen points for what they do,,, and that's why americans can appreciate SOLDIERS and still disagree with their countrys policies or seek to change and amend their constitution and why they vote in presidents who assign JUSTICES to interpret that constitution as it applies to the laws of the land,,, Most would change something to "make it better", and since gov't is the ones changing it, who does it favor. Soldiers die defending freedom and rights, NOT PEOPLE! They cover each others backs in battle, but in battle (something you wouldn't understand obviously) your whole world exists in the realm of your vision. A belief in freedom (which is being taken from us regardless of the sacrifice) and love of country (which taking those rights is destroying thru fear and neverending wars) is the reason soldiers fight and die. Obozo opens his mouth and destroys American, you open yours and spit on our soldiers, our country, our Constitution, and our flag which allow your right to do so, as soldiers die to provide it for you..... after all they're just soldiers, and you, like Henry Kissinger, feel they are only pawns to promote gov't agenda, no matter their own reasons for joining the fight. That is not intellect, that is unAmerican and sheer stupidity. I begin to believe that is the reason for your "mission" in these political threads, for you have no knowledge obviously of much you choose to speak against, the rights you wish to destroy, or the reasons they are so important to some. You simply have no love of this country or the principals which made it great. You just want whatever you can get from it, and if it doesn't touch you, all the better, but you will NEVER fight for it, just take from it, while others die for it! We see you, but you fail to see yourself in your greed, racism and hatred. I understand why you support obozo. You want, but you also want others to pay for it, and since our Constitution doesn't support taking it from others without due process, it must be changed. soldiers are individuals with millions of individual reasons to join the military , reasons as simple as needing money or a job, to 'fighting for freedoms' bottom line is , those individuals are absolutely not PAWNS , they are conscious individuals making a conscious career choice so, no, they aren just government pawns, and they also aren't the pawns of rebels who insist on defining what their service means to them or why they did it like before, I PERSONALY KNOW AND LOVE SOLDIERS , and none of them would or have told me anything other than that it was their JOB,, they had a choice to do it and be paid for and make a living at it and THEY MADE THAT CHOICE,, they aren't looking to be seen as heros, they didn't join and say hey send me to go risk my life,, they did their JOB,,,,, now, the are just as valid , valiant and worthy of my appreciation as any others, and IM sure many others would say they did it to 'fight for freedoms and rights', and that was their choice too there is not one time in American history where we all just did whatever we wanted without regulation or law,, your rights end where my nose begins,, etc,,etc,, and now is no worse than any other, in fact, for many groups the worst times were decades ago now and they GOT THROUGH THEM WITHOUT THE WORLD ENDING OR AMERIC EITHER so, yeah, I have strong resolve, I come from that type of people, and for me and my upbringing and those who made it possible for me to live with the 'freedoms' I now have that they did not,, this is FAR From the worst times of American history, and far from the end of the world, and far from anything unique or life stopping,,,, That's the kind of answer one would expect from a Marxist And as usual, we are to believe your opinion as fact over our own experiences, facts or logic..... Soldiers may die for many reasons, but they fight for only one.... to insure liberty for the country and those they love.... The liberty you think the gov't should have a right to take, control or restrict without ownership or right. Some would call that slavery.... Typical liberal..... not a clue Like Nazi Piglosi..... "You have to pass it to see what's in it....." So they made it law...... placing everyone under gestapo like healthcare controlled by gov't, recorded, taxed and fined.... and call it reasonable, or even "affordable" 
Your logic is flawed or badly misguided. Ignorance is bliss! opinion: a belief , judgment, or way of thinking about something 90 percent of the comments in this section are opinions, I don't advise anyone take them as 'facts',, I certainly don't some of them make too little sense, and are too 'absolute' and sweepingly generalized to be factual,,, |
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No POTUS in history ever thought it was acceptable to kill American citizens without due process.....until Obozo.... and he starts with a 17 year old boy and his friends at a BBQ. Using past presidents and their policies to measure the qualities of a present one is like comparing one deadly cancer to another. Since the beginning of media their money masters have decided long before any election what our "choices" will be, giving us our choice of cancers, but never a cure. You can't honestly look at the condition of the world today and believe money in politics and a corrupt 2 party system is actually working unless your head is buried in the sand or up another dark location of the human anatomy.
it works , except for those who don't think it works the way they want it to I think that this time is no different than any other in its imperfections and its struggles,,,,,,they have always been a part of American history, just like they are a part of life its all a matter of perspective,, there are a million things that we can look at as individuals about life and what is 'better' or 'worse' we have ALWAYS Had things we needed to work on, but life has gone on through all of it, as it will now I don't see the end of the world urgency about things happening today, that others do,, I don't think its any WORSE now than it has been in the past in terms of survivability ,,,,,, I Just think, perhaps naturally, people are more likely to see something as urgent when it affects THEM personally, but , to me, nothing happening today is new, nothing happening today is unsurvivable,,, 'due process' is determined by the culture,,,, there is a whole thread here that magnifies how important 'due process' is supported by many,, once they decide someone is a criminal of some sort,, especially a political one That is the biggest crock of whale manure I have heard for an excuse of the manipulation of gov't by a corrupt elite bunch of bankers and corporations ruining our nation. With the help of their propaganda machine (which you seem to buy into), and the influence of money and privilege in politics, they have stolen the rights and power of the people. It didn't happen over night. So to say it is "no different", or a "natural progression", with no urgent need for worry, my question would be when do you worry, after it's too late? That's like a doctor telling you that you have cancer, but not worrying about it until you are terminal and dying. That's foolish and irresponsible, and simply shows ones stupidity. And due process.... is not determined by the culture, it's the law! But then you have said before you don't care much for the principals our nation was founded on, or the documents that don't give us our rights, but guarantee them to be unalienable by the corrupt body we call gov't. You defend Obozocare as the law stating it must be followed, but consider due process, one of our oldest "guaranteed" rights, as something that can be ignored or denied by our sitting wannabe king, along with our other rights, which are also protected under the law. You can't have it both ways, whether this POTUS, or you, think it might be fitting at the moment to your agenda.
if due process is law, please supply the LEGAL DEFINITION Of what due process is,, legally speaking and Id love to know of the time in history of America when americans all had rights that weren't controlled by the 'elite' the founding fathers weren't peasant exactly, neither were the slaveowners,,,,there is a whole group of 'americans' who didn't have their 'equal' rights until merely fifty years ago (in my mothers lifetime) so, as I Said before, people see things as urgent when it affects tHEM,, many groups of people haven't known a time in the history of America when things were so perfectly equal and rights so innately respected to those groups of people, of which I am a descendant of, this time is no worse than any other that America or americans have pushed through,, With the signing of the Constitution the Bill of Rights was put in place to guarantee the rights and property of the individual. We were not "given" rights, we already had them, only guaranteed they could NOT be taken from us by those "elite" you think allow them to us. So get your head on straight. If you want to so easily give up your rights, fine, but thinking you know what's best for the rest of us is simply nothing short of egotistical IM not egotistical at all Im realistic and able to see things in context with my brain and not my emotions so we already hae rights,, great, all ideal and everything, but the reality is those NATURAL Rights went unacknowledged and unsupported for centuries in this country for a whole demographic of this country and the country pushed through it,,,thats the cycle of life America didn't end, and life didn't end, and those 'rights' didn't change,,,,,, I don't give up on my rights, I just realize they aren't as simplistic and natural or absolute as idealists wish to believe they are never have been, never will be,,,,, BS! Soldiers die defending those rights you wish to pi$$ away! You're about as American as Osama was! soldiers in American history have fought for those 'rights' to be amended,,,, soldiers in my family have fought to defend PEOPLE, which is what a patriot does and an American,,, the soldier card doesn't work with me,, true soldiers consider it their JOB and don't look for special citizen points for what they do,,, and that's why americans can appreciate SOLDIERS and still disagree with their countrys policies or seek to change and amend their constitution and why they vote in presidents who assign JUSTICES to interpret that constitution as it applies to the laws of the land,,, Most would change something to "make it better", and since gov't is the ones changing it, who does it favor. Soldiers die defending freedom and rights, NOT PEOPLE! They cover each others backs in battle, but in battle (something you wouldn't understand obviously) your whole world exists in the realm of your vision. A belief in freedom (which is being taken from us regardless of the sacrifice) and love of country (which taking those rights is destroying thru fear and neverending wars) is the reason soldiers fight and die. Obozo opens his mouth and destroys American, you open yours and spit on our soldiers, our country, our Constitution, and our flag which allow your right to do so, as soldiers die to provide it for you..... after all they're just soldiers, and you, like Henry Kissinger, feel they are only pawns to promote gov't agenda, no matter their own reasons for joining the fight. That is not intellect, that is unAmerican and sheer stupidity. I begin to believe that is the reason for your "mission" in these political threads, for you have no knowledge obviously of much you choose to speak against, the rights you wish to destroy, or the reasons they are so important to some. You simply have no love of this country or the principals which made it great. You just want whatever you can get from it, and if it doesn't touch you, all the better, but you will NEVER fight for it, just take from it, while others die for it! We see you, but you fail to see yourself in your greed, racism and hatred. I understand why you support obozo. You want, but you also want others to pay for it, and since our Constitution doesn't support taking it from others without due process, it must be changed. soldiers are individuals with millions of individual reasons to join the military , reasons as simple as needing money or a job, to 'fighting for freedoms' bottom line is , those individuals are absolutely not PAWNS , they are conscious individuals making a conscious career choice so, no, they aren just government pawns, and they also aren't the pawns of rebels who insist on defining what their service means to them or why they did it like before, I PERSONALY KNOW AND LOVE SOLDIERS , and none of them would or have told me anything other than that it was their JOB,, they had a choice to do it and be paid for and make a living at it and THEY MADE THAT CHOICE,, they aren't looking to be seen as heros, they didn't join and say hey send me to go risk my life,, they did their JOB,,,,, now, the are just as valid , valiant and worthy of my appreciation as any others, and IM sure many others would say they did it to 'fight for freedoms and rights', and that was their choice too there is not one time in American history where we all just did whatever we wanted without regulation or law,, your rights end where my nose begins,, etc,,etc,, and now is no worse than any other, in fact, for many groups the worst times were decades ago now and they GOT THROUGH THEM WITHOUT THE WORLD ENDING OR AMERIC EITHER so, yeah, I have strong resolve, I come from that type of people, and for me and my upbringing and those who made it possible for me to live with the 'freedoms' I now have that they did not,, this is FAR From the worst times of American history, and far from the end of the world, and far from anything unique or life stopping,,,, That's the kind of answer one would expect from a Marxist And as usual, we are to believe your opinion as fact over our own experiences, facts or logic..... Soldiers may die for many reasons, but they fight for only one.... to insure liberty for the country and those they love.... The liberty you think the gov't should have a right to take, control or restrict without ownership or right. Some would call that slavery.... Typical liberal..... not a clue Like Nazi Piglosi..... "You have to pass it to see what's in it....." So they made it law...... placing everyone under gestapo like healthcare controlled by gov't, recorded, taxed and fined.... and call it reasonable, or even "affordable"
Your logic is flawed or badly misguided. Ignorance is bliss! opinion: a belief , judgment, or way of thinking about something 90 percent of the comments in this section are opinions, I don't advise anyone take them as 'facts',, I certainly don't some of them make too little sense, and are too 'absolute' and sweepingly generalized to be factual,,, You definitely have the "too little sense" part covered as should be apparent from all who disagree with you on most you post, no matter how little they may tend to agree with the general opinions of someone else. But that's just my opinion 
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fact- barry is a liar...
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No POTUS in history ever thought it was acceptable to kill American citizens without due process.....until Obozo.... and he starts with a 17 year old boy and his friends at a BBQ. Using past presidents and their policies to measure the qualities of a present one is like comparing one deadly cancer to another. Since the beginning of media their money masters have decided long before any election what our "choices" will be, giving us our choice of cancers, but never a cure. You can't honestly look at the condition of the world today and believe money in politics and a corrupt 2 party system is actually working unless your head is buried in the sand or up another dark location of the human anatomy.
it works , except for those who don't think it works the way they want it to I think that this time is no different than any other in its imperfections and its struggles,,,,,,they have always been a part of American history, just like they are a part of life its all a matter of perspective,, there are a million things that we can look at as individuals about life and what is 'better' or 'worse' we have ALWAYS Had things we needed to work on, but life has gone on through all of it, as it will now I don't see the end of the world urgency about things happening today, that others do,, I don't think its any WORSE now than it has been in the past in terms of survivability ,,,,,, I Just think, perhaps naturally, people are more likely to see something as urgent when it affects THEM personally, but , to me, nothing happening today is new, nothing happening today is unsurvivable,,, 'due process' is determined by the culture,,,, there is a whole thread here that magnifies how important 'due process' is supported by many,, once they decide someone is a criminal of some sort,, especially a political one That is the biggest crock of whale manure I have heard for an excuse of the manipulation of gov't by a corrupt elite bunch of bankers and corporations ruining our nation. With the help of their propaganda machine (which you seem to buy into), and the influence of money and privilege in politics, they have stolen the rights and power of the people. It didn't happen over night. So to say it is "no different", or a "natural progression", with no urgent need for worry, my question would be when do you worry, after it's too late? That's like a doctor telling you that you have cancer, but not worrying about it until you are terminal and dying. That's foolish and irresponsible, and simply shows ones stupidity. And due process.... is not determined by the culture, it's the law! But then you have said before you don't care much for the principals our nation was founded on, or the documents that don't give us our rights, but guarantee them to be unalienable by the corrupt body we call gov't. You defend Obozocare as the law stating it must be followed, but consider due process, one of our oldest "guaranteed" rights, as something that can be ignored or denied by our sitting wannabe king, along with our other rights, which are also protected under the law. You can't have it both ways, whether this POTUS, or you, think it might be fitting at the moment to your agenda.
if due process is law, please supply the LEGAL DEFINITION Of what due process is,, legally speaking and Id love to know of the time in history of America when americans all had rights that weren't controlled by the 'elite' the founding fathers weren't peasant exactly, neither were the slaveowners,,,,there is a whole group of 'americans' who didn't have their 'equal' rights until merely fifty years ago (in my mothers lifetime) so, as I Said before, people see things as urgent when it affects tHEM,, many groups of people haven't known a time in the history of America when things were so perfectly equal and rights so innately respected to those groups of people, of which I am a descendant of, this time is no worse than any other that America or americans have pushed through,, With the signing of the Constitution the Bill of Rights was put in place to guarantee the rights and property of the individual. We were not "given" rights, we already had them, only guaranteed they could NOT be taken from us by those "elite" you think allow them to us. So get your head on straight. If you want to so easily give up your rights, fine, but thinking you know what's best for the rest of us is simply nothing short of egotistical IM not egotistical at all Im realistic and able to see things in context with my brain and not my emotions so we already hae rights,, great, all ideal and everything, but the reality is those NATURAL Rights went unacknowledged and unsupported for centuries in this country for a whole demographic of this country and the country pushed through it,,,thats the cycle of life America didn't end, and life didn't end, and those 'rights' didn't change,,,,,, I don't give up on my rights, I just realize they aren't as simplistic and natural or absolute as idealists wish to believe they are never have been, never will be,,,,, BS! Soldiers die defending those rights you wish to pi$$ away! You're about as American as Osama was! soldiers in American history have fought for those 'rights' to be amended,,,, soldiers in my family have fought to defend PEOPLE, which is what a patriot does and an American,,, the soldier card doesn't work with me,, true soldiers consider it their JOB and don't look for special citizen points for what they do,,, and that's why americans can appreciate SOLDIERS and still disagree with their countrys policies or seek to change and amend their constitution and why they vote in presidents who assign JUSTICES to interpret that constitution as it applies to the laws of the land,,, Most would change something to "make it better", and since gov't is the ones changing it, who does it favor. Soldiers die defending freedom and rights, NOT PEOPLE! They cover each others backs in battle, but in battle (something you wouldn't understand obviously) your whole world exists in the realm of your vision. A belief in freedom (which is being taken from us regardless of the sacrifice) and love of country (which taking those rights is destroying thru fear and neverending wars) is the reason soldiers fight and die. Obozo opens his mouth and destroys American, you open yours and spit on our soldiers, our country, our Constitution, and our flag which allow your right to do so, as soldiers die to provide it for you..... after all they're just soldiers, and you, like Henry Kissinger, feel they are only pawns to promote gov't agenda, no matter their own reasons for joining the fight. That is not intellect, that is unAmerican and sheer stupidity. I begin to believe that is the reason for your "mission" in these political threads, for you have no knowledge obviously of much you choose to speak against, the rights you wish to destroy, or the reasons they are so important to some. You simply have no love of this country or the principals which made it great. You just want whatever you can get from it, and if it doesn't touch you, all the better, but you will NEVER fight for it, just take from it, while others die for it! We see you, but you fail to see yourself in your greed, racism and hatred. I understand why you support obozo. You want, but you also want others to pay for it, and since our Constitution doesn't support taking it from others without due process, it must be changed. soldiers are individuals with millions of individual reasons to join the military , reasons as simple as needing money or a job, to 'fighting for freedoms' bottom line is , those individuals are absolutely not PAWNS , they are conscious individuals making a conscious career choice so, no, they aren just government pawns, and they also aren't the pawns of rebels who insist on defining what their service means to them or why they did it like before, I PERSONALY KNOW AND LOVE SOLDIERS , and none of them would or have told me anything other than that it was their JOB,, they had a choice to do it and be paid for and make a living at it and THEY MADE THAT CHOICE,, they aren't looking to be seen as heros, they didn't join and say hey send me to go risk my life,, they did their JOB,,,,, now, the are just as valid , valiant and worthy of my appreciation as any others, and IM sure many others would say they did it to 'fight for freedoms and rights', and that was their choice too there is not one time in American history where we all just did whatever we wanted without regulation or law,, your rights end where my nose begins,, etc,,etc,, and now is no worse than any other, in fact, for many groups the worst times were decades ago now and they GOT THROUGH THEM WITHOUT THE WORLD ENDING OR AMERIC EITHER so, yeah, I have strong resolve, I come from that type of people, and for me and my upbringing and those who made it possible for me to live with the 'freedoms' I now have that they did not,, this is FAR From the worst times of American history, and far from the end of the world, and far from anything unique or life stopping,,,, That's the kind of answer one would expect from a Marxist And as usual, we are to believe your opinion as fact over our own experiences, facts or logic..... Soldiers may die for many reasons, but they fight for only one.... to insure liberty for the country and those they love.... The liberty you think the gov't should have a right to take, control or restrict without ownership or right. Some would call that slavery.... Typical liberal..... not a clue Like Nazi Piglosi..... "You have to pass it to see what's in it....." So they made it law...... placing everyone under gestapo like healthcare controlled by gov't, recorded, taxed and fined.... and call it reasonable, or even "affordable"
Your logic is flawed or badly misguided. Ignorance is bliss! opinion: a belief , judgment, or way of thinking about something 90 percent of the comments in this section are opinions, I don't advise anyone take them as 'facts',, I certainly don't some of them make too little sense, and are too 'absolute' and sweepingly generalized to be factual,,, You definitely have the "too little sense" part covered as should be apparent from all who disagree with you on most you post, no matter how little they may tend to agree with the general opinions of someone else. But that's just my opinion
'all who disagree', amounts to about three or four of the same people who whinge and complain and post sweeping and divisive generalizations,,,,, ID be more worried if they agreed with me, to be honest because of how much 'sense' I have
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You definitely have the "too little sense" part covered as should be apparent from all who disagree with you on most you post, no matter how little they may tend to agree with the general opinions of someone else. But that's just my opinion
'all who disagree', amounts to about three or four of the same people who whinge and complain and post sweeping and divisive generalizations,,,,, ID be more worried if they agreed with me, to be honest because of how much 'sense' I have
Generalizations, you mean like posting to a topic and then admitting not knowing anything about the subject, no hold one, that is just stupidity, no sense, just full of one's self. Whinge and complain, isn't that redundant or just another remark without full understanding of what is said? Please help me out here, what exactly did you mean? |
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You definitely have the "too little sense" part covered as should be apparent from all who disagree with you on most you post, no matter how little they may tend to agree with the general opinions of someone else. But that's just my opinion
'all who disagree', amounts to about three or four of the same people who whinge and complain and post sweeping and divisive generalizations,,,,, ID be more worried if they agreed with me, to be honest because of how much 'sense' I have
Generalizations, you mean like posting to a topic and then admitting not knowing anything about the subject, no hold one, that is just stupidity, no sense, just full of one's self. Whinge and complain, isn't that redundant or just another remark without full understanding of what is said? Please help me out here, what exactly did you mean? a generalization is a general statement or concept obtained by inference from specific cases ,so, If I meet a republican who says they cant stand black folks,,,, and then I say things like 'republicans don't like blacks',, or 'ALL REPUBLICANS THINK THAT WAY' IM stating a GENERALIZATION, by applying something to a whole group based upon what may have been true of some in the group,,,, |
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whinge and complain, is like saying ***** and moan
or pay any price and meet any burden ,, one may consider it redundant , not adding anything or merely repetitious to add emphasis ,,, makes no nevermind to me, completely aware of what I posted AND what the words I use mean,,, |
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nowhere did I admit to not knowing 'anything' about the topic,
one would be a fool to know 'nothing' about guns, I know what they look like, I have held one, I have had one held on me, I know what they look like being held and facing one, I know they kill with bullets, I know they take very little real effort if one is close enough, and I know they can do great damage with very little effort or risk to the one using them,,,, unlike weapons like bats or knives or other hand to hand type weapons,,, I don't know the SPECIFICS about SPECIFIC GUNS, nor have I read a GUN MANUAL,, I also never read a microwave manual, but I know about those too and se them regularly,,, I posted an opinion about the misuse of s certain example being cited in defense of one side of the debate or the other,,, |
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nowhere did I admit to not knowing 'anything' about the topic, one would be a fool to know 'nothing' about guns, I know what they look like, I have held one, I have had one held on me, I know what they look like being held and facing one, I know they kill with bullets, I know they take very little real effort if one is close enough, and I know they can do great damage with very little effort or risk to the one using them,,,, unlike weapons like bats or knives or other hand to hand type weapons,,, I don't know the SPECIFICS about SPECIFIC GUNS, nor have I read a GUN MANUAL,, I also never read a microwave manual, but I know about those too and se them regularly,,, I posted an opinion about the misuse of s certain example being cited in defense of one side of the debate or the other,,, No, you posted a belief that people who do know and use guns, are lisenced to have them, and trained in the use of them, should not be allowed to be because a few use them for bad purposes. That would be like closing down Walmart for having a bad apple in the produce section for fear someone might get sick from it..... but you seem to think it's a good idea. |
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nowhere did I admit to not knowing 'anything' about the topic, one would be a fool to know 'nothing' about guns, I know what they look like, I have held one, I have had one held on me, I know what they look like being held and facing one, I know they kill with bullets, I know they take very little real effort if one is close enough, and I know they can do great damage with very little effort or risk to the one using them,,,, unlike weapons like bats or knives or other hand to hand type weapons,,, I don't know the SPECIFICS about SPECIFIC GUNS, nor have I read a GUN MANUAL,, I also never read a microwave manual, but I know about those too and se them regularly,,, I posted an opinion about the misuse of s certain example being cited in defense of one side of the debate or the other,,, No, you posted a belief that people who do know and use guns, are lisenced to have them, and trained in the use of them, should not be allowed to be because a few use them for bad purposes. That would be like burning down Walmart for having a bad apple in the produce section..... but you seem to think it's a good idea. I NEVER Made that statement,, actually |
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'all who disagree', amounts to about three or four of the same people who whinge and complain and post sweeping and divisive generalizations,,,,,
ID be more worried if they agreed with me, to be honest because of how much 'sense' I have you make sense for what you believe... which makes no sense to us...lol |
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'all who disagree', amounts to about three or four of the same people who whinge and complain and post sweeping and divisive generalizations,,,,,
ID be more worried if they agreed with me, to be honest because of how much 'sense' I have you make sense for what you believe... which makes no sense to us...lol I usually make sense to those with reading comprehension skills for those who read all types of tangents into simple statements,,, they create nonsense in their own head to argue with,,, |
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(CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama, who is departing Friday for a vacation in Hawaii that will reportedly last until Jan. 5, took more annual vacation days on average in his first term than the average private-sector worker gets after 20 years on the job. Obama took an average of 21.5 vacations days per year in his first four years as president. By comparison, private-industry workers in the United States who have at least 20 years on the job get an average of 19 days of paid vacation per year. The Government Accountability Institute, headed by Peter Schweizer (who is also a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University), published a study of President Obama’s calendar on April 28, 2013 that included an accounting of the vacation days the president took from his inauguration on January 20, 2009 through March 2013. According to GAI’s accounting, Obama took 21 vacation days in 2009, 34 in 2010, 20 in 2011, 7 during his re-election-campaign year of 2012, and 4 in January 2013 before his second inauguration on Jan. 20, 2013 marked the end of his first four years in office. The 86 cumulative vacation days that Obama took in his first four years in office worked out to an average of 21.5 days per year. Even if you do not count the four days of vacation Obama took in early January 2013—before the end of his fourth year in office on January 20, 2013—the 82 days of cumulative vacation he took in his first four calendar years in office equals an average of 20.5 per year, which is still more than the 19 paid vacation days per year that the average private-industry worker gets after 20 years on the job. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, workers in private industry get an average of 10 days of paid vacation after they have been at the job one year; they get an average of 14 days paid vacation after they have been at the job five years; 17 days after they have been at the job 10 years and 19 days after they have been at the job 20 years. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/obama-took-more-vacation-average-private-sector-workers-20-yrs-job-0 Yes, yes, and Michael Moore pushed out the same barrow against G. W. Bush in Fahrenheit 9/11. Cheap political point scoring. |
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I understand people complaining, I just don't get the inconsistent standard that makes a behavior so much worse when one president does it than when other presidents do it,, gripe over presidential vacations in general? fine..even though the nature of the job means they don't really get ANY vacations, they just get to change the scenery in which they handle their responbilities,, I think its dumb, because they have enormous responsibility and pressure for which I think I prefer they take more down time than I need from answering phones all day,,,lol but, if people see it as a major deal, that's their deal,, just be consistent about the complaint ,, about the action itself,, No other President had an Osprey deliver their dog to where they were vacationing or decided to fly to New York to see a play, or play golf as much as he does or take as many vacations as he does. You are just his blind cheerleader and everyone on this website know that. factoid: an invented fact believed to be true because it appears in print,,, when there are no numbers or data to back it up,, just make it up or repeat what someone else made up,,,, his thing is golf, so what? really? what are the numbers, how many 'vacations' has he taken? whats being counted as 'vacaton' (any time he has been on a plane?...lol) good grief,,,,IM no cheerleader, IM just not so dedicated to negativity and conspiracy as to seek out and make up such petty irrelevant silliness,,, No, you are a cheerleader. You worship the jerk. No matter what anyone says you run right to his defence. The numbers on his vacations and golf games have been posted numerous times on here and they are nothing more then a slap in the face to the rest of America. Jets off to Hawaii, Marthas Vinyard, Chicago, Mexico (got beaches closed off so his ugly wife could sit on the sand, New York, England (even got a tour of the Harry Potter set), Africa (which we had to divert a hospital ship and a carrier group to the area at great expense). Obama is a POS. He is destroying this country. I lost my job of 6 years because of that incompetent idiot and his destroying the economy and putting small businesses out of business with Obamacare. |
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'all who disagree', amounts to about three or four of the same people who whinge and complain and post sweeping and divisive generalizations,,,,,
ID be more worried if they agreed with me, to be honest because of how much 'sense' I have you make sense for what you believe... which makes no sense to us...lol That's a trait of a typical Obama cheerleader. |
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I no longer expect anything more,,,,,,the ad hominem crowd with no RELEVANT or RATIONAL discussion or debate of anything I post,,lol just emotionalism,, oh well |
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